Ford Coil Pack on VR6 with Pics.

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make sure the wires from the ICM go to the correct ones to the coil pack, I had this problem after taking a closer look at the wiring I had 2/3 and 4/5 switched.

Good Luck.

[manfredwerner]

Quote, originally posted by Eric D »

How about the 2001-03 Windstar coil pack? Looks like the coil towers might fit with the VR6 wire ends. Here is a Windstar wireset. Looks like Bremi/Beru etc ends, but I can't really tell from the small pic.

i got all the parts for coil repair with exactly this kind of coil from a mustang 3.8l. i hope this will work out.

[V-dubbulyuh]

I love coilpack threads.

[Nevaeh_Speed]

Quote, originally posted by manfredwerner »

i got all the parts for coil repair with exactly this kind of coil from a mustang 3.8l. i hope this will work out.

Keep us informed on this coil. Should work, I was looking at one the other day, and all you would have to do is cut the connection point on the coil down to match a VR6 coil , hoop up the wires like said before and you should be set. Now for mounting you might have to get creative.

[manfredwerner]

Quote, originally posted by Eric D »

How about the 2001-03 Windstar coil pack? Looks like the coil towers might fit with the VR6 wire ends. Here is a Windstar wireset. Looks like Bremi/Beru etc ends, but I can't really tell from the small pic.

I did this conversion today! this is the best thing i did to my b4! this coil came of a 2003 mustang, 3.8l. the plugs for the coil fit right on, no trimming of the towers was needed, i didn't have to swap the ends! but don't forget to lube the towers with special grease. the order of the firing is the same as in the old style coil in the beginning of the post. the coil cost me 35 with pigtale and the ign wires shipped of the junkyard. GL!

here http://www.car-part.com

Modified by manfredwerner at 10:36 PM 10-16-2009

[oggenator]

Quote, originally posted by zcalibur »

I've been looking at options. I think i'm going to build new wires, custom length because i don't want to take a chance with a set. http://www.autopartsway.com/au...40801 http://www.boostengineering.ne...r.htm http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TAY-35281/ If you don't like that wire, many other options. http://www.summitracing.com/se...Wire/ If anyone finds any other options or better prices. Post it and give us all the benefit please. Modified by zcalibur at 10:07 AM 9-28-2009 Modified by zcalibur at 10:20 AM 9-28-2009

I picked up the wires and ends for my 'build.' i got a duralast c925 coil for it. has anyone else done this in a mk4? not looking for advice, just curious. hopefully this will be done today and i can drive my car around.....in the rain! ill keep you guys posted

[jmaddocks]

OEM coil pack died yesterday after a long trip in the rain. Just did this swap w/ a coil from an Explorer. Incidentally, there were a ton of pristine ones in the salvage yard from the Cash for Clunkers program, so finding a coil was a piece of cake.

I can't remember the last time my B4 Passat ran this smoothly. Thanks for the write up!.

[piran21]

This conversion is quite straight forward... makes a lot of sense. Why bother with the MSD and/or stock issues?

On another note,
What spark plug are you guys using with this setup? If any other than stock NGK's.


Modified by piran21 at 2:03 PM 10-19-2009

[ricardo]

I believe mine are autolite (champion?) 3923

[GinsterMan98]

I would still like too see someone compare the stock coils voltage output vs this setup. No one has a spark plug voltage tester?

[Nevaeh_Speed]

Quote, originally posted by manfredwerner »

I did this conversion today! this is the best thing i did to my b4! this coil came of a 2003 mustang, 3.8l. the plugs for the coil fit right on, no trimming of the towers was needed, i didn't have to swap the ends! but don't forget to lube the towers with special grease. the order of the firing is the same as in the old style coil in the beginning of the post. the coil cost me 35 with pigtale and the ign wires shipped of the junkyard. GL! here http://www.car-part.com Modified by manfredwerner at 10:36 PM 10-16-2009

Its good to know the newer ford version works.

[manfredwerner]

ttt

[piran21]

Quote, originally posted by ricardo »

I believe mine are autolite (champion?) 3923

gapped at what?

[UmbroVR6]

i bought a set of ngk bkr5e, but dont know what to gap them at now.

i used to gap these at like .28 and had great results w/ oem coilpack.

i think they come at .35 out of the box.

[Nevaeh_Speed]

Quote, originally posted by UmbroVR6 »

i bought a set of ngk bkr5e, but dont know what to gap them at now. i used to gap these at like .28 and had great results w/ oem coilpack. i think they come at .35 out of the box.

I gapped two different cars with the ford coilpack @ .028" w/o any problems. But I see you might have a problem if you gap them @ .28"

[UmbroVR6]

Quote, originally posted by Nevaeh_Speed »

I gapped two different cars with the ford coilpack @ .028" w/o any problems. But I see you might have a problem if you gap them @ .28"

yeah, i meant .028"

[ricardo]

Quote, originally posted by piran21 »

gapped at what?

stock gap .028

[slefain]

Quote, originally posted by manfredwerner »

I did this conversion today! this is the best thing i did to my b4! this coil came of a 2003 mustang, 3.8l. the plugs for the coil fit right on, no trimming of the towers was needed, i didn't have to swap the ends! but don't forget to lube the towers with special grease. the order of the firing is the same as in the old style coil in the beginning of the post. the coil cost me 35 with pigtale and the ign wires shipped of the junkyard. GL! here http://www.car-part.com Modified by manfredwerner at 10:36 PM 10-16-2009

Probably a stupid question, but did you re-use the stock VW plug wires, or did you you Ford wires? If you used Ford wires, what year/make/model did you use? Sorry for my stupid question, I just want to make one stop for parts.

[ricardo]

since I had to change sparkplugs I gapped them at .033 and they work great... Ford guys gapped them at 0.42 so technically so can we?

[UmbroVR6]

Quote, originally posted by ricardo »

since I had to change sparkplugs I gapped them at .033 and they work great... Ford guys gapped them at 0.42 so technically so can we?

thats what i meant, that we no longer have to gap at .028

thanks for the insight, i'm gonna gap them at .033 as well or leave them at their out of the box gap.

[Nevaeh_Speed]

Quote, originally posted by slefain »

Probably a stupid question, but did you re-use the stock VW plug wires, or did you you Ford wires? If you used Ford wires, what year/make/model did you use? Sorry for my stupid question, I just want to make one stop for parts.

Stock wires converted to ford ends on the coil pack side... It's a Hybrid wire...

Unless you go with the new ford style coil pack pictured above...

[bent_metal]

still have some of these set ups for sale if any body is intrested

[SR-71]

Quote, originally posted by bent_metal »

still have some of these set ups for sale if any body is intrested

you got IM, eh?

[SR-71]

Quote, originally posted by manfredwerner »

I did this conversion today! this is the best thing i did to my b4! this coil came of a 2003 mustang, 3.8l. the plugs for the coil fit right on, no trimming of the towers was needed, i didn't have to swap the ends! but don't forget to lube the towers with special grease. the order of the firing is the same as in the old style coil in the beginning of the post. the coil cost me 35 with pigtale and the ign wires shipped of the junkyard. GL! here http://www.car-part.com Modified by manfredwerner at 10:36 PM 10-16-2009

NICE!


Modified by SR-71 at 5:32 PM 11-15-2009

[Boge VR6]

Funny you did the Ford coilpack. We were actually going to use this back in the day .. but decided to blow it out of the water and do something that had never been done. When we orig. put the MSD boxes in with the individual coils ... they blew. MSD never even ran the type of setup we had. They replaced our boxes, and we tweek some things. I like this setup you have, its marketable, and easy. I guess I should have patented JBE's idea back in the day. DOH! Good Luck.

[nobody...]

very cool thread

[ricardo]

Quote, originally posted by nobody... »

very cool thread

yeah and we are not having trouble blowing up the coils like in the MSD forum

[Rob@Darkside]

Did this on my vrt and it works flawlessly. I would recommend it to anyone.

Rob

[nobody...]

Quote, originally posted by slefain »

Probably a stupid question, but did you re-use the stock VW plug wires, or did you you Ford wires? If you used Ford wires, what year/make/model did you use? Sorry for my stupid question, I just want to make one stop for parts.

i asked the same question of him over PM and he says yes on the VW wires

[Rob@Darkside]

What I did was get a set of wires off of a ford thunderbird at the wreckers just for the ends that attach to the coil....you have to remove the ends off of the vr6 wires that attach to the coil and then put these ford ones on. very easy. Just take your time. I basically cut the vr end off to keep it as long as possible, cut back the insulation about .5 inch being careful not to cut into the conductor strand...then you remove the end from the ford wire, cut pry, pry, pry and then it popps off and then you install it. Pay special attention to how it attaches to the ford wire and how the conductor strip is running and just do it the same way. make sure you slide the bracket and boot over first before you finish it cause it wont slide past once you get the 90 degree connector mounted, trust me.

Anybody with questions can IM me

[Nevaeh_Speed]

Went with this set . Works great. Upgraded wires at a fraction of the cost.

Brand Mallory Ignition
Manufacturer's Part Number 776
Part Type Spark Plug Wire Sets
Product Line Mallory Pro Wire Spark Plug Wire Sets
Summit Racing Part Number MAA-776

Assembled No
Diameter (mm) 8.00mm
RFI Suppression Yes
Wire Color Black
Distributor Terminal Ends Female/Socket
Distributor Boot Color Black
Distributor Boot Material Silicone
Spark Plug Boot Ends Eight straight
Spark Plug Boot Color Red
Spark Plug Boot Material Silicone
Coil Wire Included Yes
Conductor Style Spiro-wound
Quantity Sold as a set.

Modified by Nevaeh_Speed at 1:00 PM 12-8-2009


Modified by Nevaeh_Speed at 1:00 PM 12-8-2009

[Boost112]

but they dont have the same ends as the ford edis... could you just get a set of junk ford wires and cut those ends off and attach them to these wires to get a better custom fit?

[nobody...]

the 2003 ford v6 3.8l coil pack needs no special wires, the vw wires slip right on.

[Nevaeh_Speed]

True but I already have the early ford coil pack.

That's why I went with the custom setup.

[Chadvick1975]

I did my mkIV. The wires were a pain but I did it and it worked fine but it didn't solve my problem.