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    Thread: **Official 24V 3.6L Engine (oil pump bolt) failure thread**

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      02-06-2010 10:04 AM #101
      Quote, originally posted by uncledrewp@comcast.net »
      But, my dealer has done a good job to insist the engine needs to be replaced.

      Haha
      Funny how the dealer would want to "insist" on YOUR aftermarket warranty company 1) "HONOR" THE WARRANTY, and 2) replace the engine.
      It's in their best interests to have somebody else pay them to do the work with their own parts. They get the best of both worlds if they can also supply a crate motor!!!
      Nothing against the dealer at all...just stating that they should be on your side in dealing with your aftermarket warranty company - as it benefits them greatly!
      Honestly, not that it is worth it (to you) at this point but in a perfect world you could still try and get VW to cover this under warranty as it's a known problem.
      But the best thing (for you) is exactly what you did...
      Make sure the replacement motor you get is built after the last known failure (I forget the date of mfr but '08s are not an issue) OR you'll be back at square one.

    2. 02-18-2010 08:34 AM #102
      Is there any significance to the letter identifying where the engine was made?
      Emden seems to pop up more?

    3. 02-21-2010 08:45 PM #103
      I don't think it matters as that's just the factory where the car is assembled. I'm not sure where they make the engines but I'm sure it's in a single location for all 3.6

    4. 04-01-2010 05:37 PM #104
      I would guess that they told you "new" but it was actually "reman."
      The same happened to me - broken off bolt - at 75k miles.
      So I was out of warrenty and fought hard to get my cost down to 30% of total. And I was told by many persons that I needed and would get a new motor; but then found that they cannot even provide a truly new motor. Attached parts were new or mine that were not hurt.

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      04-13-2010 01:01 PM #105
      Production Date: 03/2006
      Failure: oil pump/timing gear bolt failure
      Mileage on motor ~ 41,000 Miles
      3.6 4Motion fixed under warranty and runs fine. Took approx. 4 days in VW shop. Replaced various parts and not a rebuild. Dealership was very good to deal with

      Modified by toogrumpy at 10:05 AM 4-13-2010


      Modified by toogrumpy at 10:15 AM 4-13-2010

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      07-23-2010 12:14 AM #106
      im looking to buy an 06 passat i do alot of driving all over new england and the tri state area is this really something to worry about i have the vin#WVWBU73C06P161766 do we kno if there is a certain factory that it is happening to. is it still a good idea to buy this car

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      08-12-2010 01:22 AM #107
      So I had never heard of this problem till I was on the Touareg forum. A guy posted about the oil pump bolts failing on the 3.6's

      Now that I am on this thread everyone here seems to own a Passat. Did the Touaregs suffer from this problem?

      Thank you, and Good Luck

    8. 08-24-2010 10:15 PM #108
      So at 50k I am unhappily a new member of the failed oil pump bolt club. I am trying to get VW to do the right thing and replace the engine. They have stated that the only course of action right now is to replace the pump, chain and tensioner. I cant see how the engine can be any good after the bolt sheered off. For those that did not have the engine replaced how is your car running now? Just feels like the car will be a ticking time bomb. Unless they do a compression test and rip the engine down to its core I wont feel comfortable. How off am I on that feeling?

      This is the second time this has happened with VW. First we lost a tdi engine and now this one. I have all but lost faith in VW. Minus a small miracle I will never buy another.

      I will work on getting the details and post the information out here...

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      10-30-2010 11:56 PM #109
      I've a '08 3.6 put together in Emden. Still going strong. Bought the car new and the oil's been changed fairly consistenly at 5k. Runs great, so far. It sounds like the problem could be related to early production. You would think they would get a hand on the source!

    10. 01-06-2011 03:18 PM #110
      Year: 2006
      Failure: Oil Pump sheered off, motor destroyed
      Mileage: 75k

    11. 01-06-2011 03:20 PM #111
      I was told that the bolt was inferior regardless of where purchased.
      A new one replaced it in '08.

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      02-14-2011 12:33 AM #112
      I didn't post my first one, '06 Passat 4Motion, 30 K check oil pressure warning and noisy valve train. Dealer dissassembled, told by VWoA(c) to stop looking further when filing were found in oil pan. New long block installed under warranty. Latest 07' Passat Wagon 4Motion, 71 K. Same story, different book. Oil light came on while driving, car sounds like a diesel. Dealer assured me after first engine failure that this was *rare*. If all turns out good, post will stop, if VWoA(C) disavows themselves of this known problem will post further. I've taken stats, VW suggested that 1/1000 engines fail, probability of 2 is 1/1000000, maybe I should take up playing lotteries.

      If it helps anyone, the engine started to bog 2-3 days before catastrophic failure. Only had issues with engine performance below 3K rpm. Car would not hold cruise uphill after this started. CEL came on, but did not flash, suspected EGR error as light had previously been cleared due to EGR fault diagnosis.

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      02-24-2011 12:06 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by twiceunlucky View Post
      I didn't post my first one, '06 Passat 4Motion, 30 K check oil pressure warning and noisy valve train. Dealer dissassembled, told by VWoA(c) to stop looking further when filing were found in oil pan. New long block installed under warranty. Latest 07' Passat Wagon 4Motion, 71 K. Same story, different book. Oil light came on while driving, car sounds like a diesel. Dealer assured me after first engine failure that this was *rare*. If all turns out good, post will stop, if VWoA(C) disavows themselves of this known problem will post further. I've taken stats, VW suggested that 1/1000 engines fail, probability of 2 is 1/1000000, maybe I should take up playing lotteries.

      If it helps anyone, the engine started to bog 2-3 days before catastrophic failure. Only had issues with engine performance below 3K rpm. Car would not hold cruise uphill after this started. CEL came on, but did not flash, suspected EGR error as light had previously been cleared due to EGR fault diagnosis.

      On the second car, did you have an extended warranty or are you out of pocket? Interested in finding out how VW deals with this denied issue out of warranty.

      I couldn't take it anymore... I sold my B6 at 85k miles before my extended ran out.

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      02-27-2011 10:41 AM #114
      Well, VWoC came back, told me that was what warranty was for, denied all responsibility. Dealer recommended replacing engine. Quoted $17,000 for replacment, knocked it down to $16,000. Not the dealer's fault, but definitely VW's fault. I'm sending it to a third party to have the engine replaced or redone, I will never deal with VW again, that is my last VW product. The only time my A6 will see an Audi dealership is when the CEL comes on and I have a warranty claim. Looks like I'm moving over to BMW.

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      03-23-2011 01:33 PM #115
      06 4motion. Bolt failure at 19k miles. Bought it used and work was done before I purchased. Now at 92k. Figured I'd add to the list so VW might admit to the defect and cover it for those out of warranty.

    16. 04-16-2011 01:17 PM #116
      2006 3.6 VW Passast
      Purchased 12-05
      60,600 miles when engine failed
      2 months and 600 miles out of warranty

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      06-06-2011 02:01 PM #117
      Wanted to post this to inform that we may have some gold at the end of the rainbow....finally.

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...rom-3.6-Owners!

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      09-07-2011 10:51 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by 8606 View Post
      More than likely it will happen before warranty, even before 10k miles. Lemon Law is tricky (vague) on state website. Now we know specifics. Sister-in-laws car unable to use lemon law , but VW agreed to replace car (due to all the other problems). Hopefully the new car will be trouble free. Hey you have to be optimistic.
      It usually has to be the same problem over and over again. There is a reason that lemon law attorneys advertise on TV. No one really uses them. Companies very rarely produce lemons. It does happen. But not very often. The 3.6 and 2.0 are decent engines, they're just newer engines that need the kinks worked out. All cars from all manufacturers are like this. It sounds like the 3.6 is a little worse off. I got a 2.5 and I think it is one of the most solid engines VW has ever made. 65,000 miles and only one problem. It was my fault though. I got some bad gas with water in it and it threw the knock sensor. I went into limp mode.

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      09-16-2011 01:09 AM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by rags2riches View Post
      It usually has to be the same problem over and over again. There is a reason that lemon law attorneys advertise on TV. No one really uses them. Companies very rarely produce lemons. It does happen. But not very often. The 3.6 and 2.0 are decent engines, they're just newer engines that need the kinks worked out. All cars from all manufacturers are like this. It sounds like the 3.6 is a little worse off. I got a 2.5 and I think it is one of the most solid engines VW has ever made. 65,000 miles and only one problem. It was my fault though. I got some bad gas with water in it and it threw the knock sensor. I went into limp mode.
      Everyone screws up, I can't count the number of times that I have. When I do screw up though, I fess up to it, apologize and make it right. I don't think anyone could say that VW didn't screw up with the 3.6. First year, stuff happens. So, all they needed to do was make it right. We blew it, bring your engines in and we will fix it, or; we blew it, the recall costs too much but don't worry we'll extend the warranty. In the last 7 years I have patronized VW with an '03 Jetta TDI wagon, an 06' 4Motion Sedan, an 07' 4Motion Wagon and an 09'A6. After this episode I've switched over to BMW, must admit they screw up as much or more than VW, but at least they own up to it and are fixing stuff. To be honest this German junk has me looking at domestics again, maybe the CTS wagon AWD.

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      09-22-2011 08:48 AM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by twiceunlucky View Post
      To be honest this German junk has me looking at domestics again, maybe the CTS wagon AWD.

      Good luck! If you thought Germans built junk the Japanese and Domestics are not better! This is 2012 where cars are built by bean counters.If you want a solid car that was built like a tank then you have to go back in time, not switch platforms. Volkswagen stopped building reliable cars in 1992. Family member has a CTS and from day one has had nothing but issues (and issues that will make your hair stand up i.e. merging onto a highway and power shuts off...no throttle control ).

      Still one of the most reliable volkswagen's I have ever owned has been the B6 3.6 the last one being a MKII Gti.Other than a failed coil pack and 2 sets of control arm bushings , it has been pretty sound.

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      09-24-2011 03:08 AM #121
      You make your living on parts for these cars and you admit they are junk since 1992. Awesome, thanks for proving my point. Yep, the CTS is junk with a much smaller price tag. S*** smells better when it doesn't cost as much.

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      09-25-2011 01:51 AM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by twiceunlucky View Post
      you admit they are junk since 1992
      Not sure how you got junk from this....
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      Volkswagen stopped building reliable cars in 1992..
      Let me define what reliable means. Starting everyday in the winter , costing peanuts to repair and all around no major repairs.

      MKIV 1.8T's were plagued with faulty coil packs and PCV failures
      MKV's - fuel pump followers & camshafts
      MKVI's - dual mass flywheels - pcv issues.

      When Volkswagen introduced the MKII's the only issues I could even remember the tech's @ our garage complain about was CIS and G60 failures. This is straying off topic but all in all compared to other brands , VW's are still very well built and if you would like to sample another non-german brand then by all means go right ahead but dont expect miracles.


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      10-03-2011 12:45 PM #123
      Guys,

      Take your argument to PM or a more suitable thread as this is definitely not the place for it.

      Thanks,

    24. 10-29-2011 06:58 PM #124
      I just did the bolt on my wife's 07 passat 4mo wagon . Had 150358 kms @ 90000 miles or so . Bolt had walked out about 20mm of thread . Gears were wobbling around . Actually had damage on teeth and keyway areas . I changed the bolt , gears , oil pump , chains and all guides/tensioners . The car did give me warning though , I had a cam sensor code . I tried a sensor cause it was cheap but of course as I had assumed not the issue . I couldn't have been that lucky . It's been up and running for two weeks since the repair . All seems good except idle is a bit rough . Had a misfire code cyl3 swapped coil with cyl1 , disappeared .

      Did the control arm bushings and subframe shims and an alignment while all was apart . Hope the car behaves itself now . Next money going on it some hankooks with studs.

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      11-22-2011 03:00 PM #125
      hi
      did anyone had issue with this on the car made in April '07
      VIN # is WVWFU93C37E227110
      i found car with 74000km and wondering if this failure is covered by bumper to bumper or power train waranty
      thanks for your help

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