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    Thread: **Official 24V 3.6L Engine (oil pump bolt) failure thread**

    1. 12-26-2007 07:15 PM #51
      Check your state lemon law asap. Michigan was confusing (although we thought it was clear) until a lawyer was consulted. Here you get 4 tries and 30 days to fix a problem (same problem each time). Each new problem it starts all over again. In other words the car could be in the shop for a whole year if it had 12 problems.

    2. 12-26-2007 07:17 PM #52
      Thanks, I previously consulted the site Jeff recommended, and came away with the same conclusion he did. I don't think I'm in lemon territory for the car, considering the headlight events were somewhat related but fixed each time. Definitely frustrating!

    3. 12-26-2007 09:25 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by networkcrasher »
      Well they have the entire motor and tran torn apart and have diagnosed it as a failed bolt on the oil pump. They have ordered "misc parts" including a new oil pump and timing chain as described by another in the thread.

      Well, I definitely empathize. It sounds like you're going through exactly what I went through. The MIL caught mine with a cam position sensor code, and they replaced the entire cam gear train and oil pump (sounds just like what they're doing with yours). You might want to call and tell them to triple-check the oil pump before and after they install it. VW shipped a bad one when they fixed mine. They found it when they started the engine the first time, and it all had to be done again. I want to say I saw someone else on here that had the same thing happen (first replacement oil pump bad).
      Quote, originally posted by networkcrasher »
      I have wondered before if I would get a new motor or new parts, when the latter would possibly cause failure further down the road from problems created now.

      Good luck! Hopefully you'll be okay once they fix it. My story turned out with kind of a mixed bag. When I got the car back, it was idling rough. In about a month, I got a flashing MIL and took it straight in. Diagnosis was low compression on #6. To make a long story short, they never really figured out what was wrong with that motor, but I can't make any connection with the first failure or repair. It really does seem unrelated and that I just got a true dud motor. VWoA kept futzing around having the service department replace parts on it (new valves, 2 new head assemblies). VWoA finally admitted that they weren't going to fix it, and I ended up getting a new long block after all (along with a free extended warranty). The other good news is that since I was so patient and unbelievably reasonable, the service department is now totally on my side. The service manager knows me by first name, and the car is infamous at that shop. At this point, they bend over backwards if I need something.
      Quote, originally posted by networkcrasher »
      I was really just probing for information on how to educate myself as a consumer since I've never found myself in this situation before, and there seems to be a few other people on this board who are now experts!

      Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on the lemon laws. My first problem happened about a month and 1000 miles too late, so I had no chance. I will say this, go ahead and call VW's customer service line. Calmly describe to them in detail what you've been through and how you feel about it. If nothing else, it puts you on record if you need to beat on them later. Keep them updated. I VWoA tries to mess with you, your service department can use your customer service complaints along with their own records to help you negotiate an equitable resolution with VWoA. Like I said, I got an extended warranty, and honestly I could have gotten more if I'd pushed. I just wanted it to be done with.
      I understand what you mean about venting and considering dumping the car. They had mine for a grand total of over 4 months. By the time they finally got done, I feel like I had quite a bit of leverage. I probably could have made them buy it back, and I considered it. Here's the rub, though... I LOVE THIS CAR. I researched for about 2 years before I bought it, and nothing else I drove put as big of a smile on my face. If I wanted a sedan, there would have been some more choices, but no one else makes a wagon like this, and a wagon is what I wanted. So it was either sell it back and restart my loan with a car that I didn't like, or stick with this one (quirks and all) and love driving it every day.
      So, good luck! I hope it all works out.

    4. 12-27-2007 01:15 AM #54
      Quote, originally posted by jmcclure »
      Here's the rub, though... I LOVE THIS CAR.
      So, good luck! I hope it all works out.

      Ditto that, and that's why I'm so torn. Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

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      01-05-2008 06:04 AM #55
      I have 41k miles and so far no problems at all and I beat this car every time I get a chance...but you never know. I think I was one of the lucky one's getting a really good one.
      2006 Passat 3.6,
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    6. 01-19-2008 11:08 PM #56
      Well my 2006 3.6L 4Mo just took a dump. Was going about 80mph on the freeway and felt a shaking/popping feeling coming out of the engine.
      I then see a "AFS Inoperative" and several "Oil Pressure Failure" messages come up on the MFD before I get "Engine Off".
      So I coasted over to the side of the road, called Road Service, and it's now at the dealership.
      VIN - WVW**93***P139893
      BUILD - 11/05 (I believe - as I said the car is at the dealer)
      Mileage - Just over 31000

    7. 03-07-2008 08:06 AM #57
      HI All, I am currently waiting for my 3.6l 07 Passat wago to come home from the dealer. Tomorrow will be week. Engine light came on at 11k miles and there was a noise at low RPMs that i thought sounded like a torque converter whinning. It also felt like it lost 100+ HP... Running like hell... took it to the dealer to learn that the oil pump bolts had loosened and they were going to replace it but had to remove the tranny to do so. 4 days into it, they called to say they were replacing the timing chain because it did show wear from lack of lubrication. however, some parts were backordered and they didnt know when i would be able to get the car back. I complained that if there was wear on the timing chain, there would be wear everywhere. The dealer rep told me he would get VW involved and get back to me. Patiently waiting for a call. I will check on the vin and once i see the service order post later.

    8. 03-14-2008 10:52 AM #58
      Here is a detailed update
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...age=3

    9. 03-20-2008 02:40 PM #59
      My 2006 Passat 3.6 just had the oil pump bolt failure at 15,000 miles. It happened 1 week after dealer did oil change, driving down the road and went to pass another car and it seemed like I lost overdrive. A minute later the engine light as well as the EPC light came on. No warnings on the display ever came on, no oil light either. Dealer has ordered new oil pump and timing chain, has yet to do any further tests on the engine.

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      03-27-2008 07:35 AM #60
      Quote, originally posted by thenew3 »
      Anyone know if this failure problem has been fixed on the 08 production?
      Got an order for a 3.6 4motion passat going in soon.

      Anyone have an answer on this? I should be getting my 08 shortly!

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      03-27-2008 12:04 PM #61
      Quote, originally posted by 07SalsaGLI »
      Anyone have an answer on this? I should be getting my 08 shortly!

      The answer is not 100% proven yet but:
      1) The part # has changed (which is an assumption that the part has - hope that is true).
      2) I haven't heard of this failure in 2008 cars.
      I had the same concerns before I bought mine. So far, so good.
      Hurry up and get it as next year it's rumored no 3.6L.

    12. 04-15-2008 11:54 AM #62
      Hello everyone, i need your help. i own an 07 passat 3.6l and some two weeks now i started the car and the CEL came on, the car suddenly lost most of the engine power, it could not accelerate anylonger as i drove home from work.Two days later, it just refused to start.It was sent to the workshop and all fuel line systems were checked to be ok,engine cranks well, plugs are firing, nozzles are clean, but it just won't start. Anyone understands what could be the problem.I don't live in the U.S.the car was exported out of the US and i need assistance on what could be the problem or where to check. Thanks.


      Modified by ozed1 at 9:06 AM 4-15-2008

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      06-28-2008 12:53 PM #63
      Quote, originally posted by nater »
      Hurry up and get it as next year it's rumored no 3.6L.

      That would be disappointing
      I need another Volkswagen like I need a shotgun blast to the face

    14. 07-03-2008 09:51 PM #64
      So I did a Carfax on my-sister-in-laws former car (bought back). Some glaring omissions, no mention of engine replaced, or the other big ticket items replaced. Items listed were "checked" not replaced. Sold at auction listed as fleet vehicle. New owners in another state do not have complete history of car. Isn't this dishonest? I know full well the history of this car, I can post a comment about the car on Carfax, but don't want to jeopardize the new car (in case some warranty issues arise, and they just happen to do a Carfax on old car-paranoid I know..but).

    15. 08-19-2008 12:00 PM #65
      Quote, originally posted by nater »
      Hurry up and get it as next year it's rumored no 3.6L.

      Hopefully is not true.

    16. 08-19-2008 05:47 PM #66
      I wonder whats going to replace it?(if it's true)
      the new audi 2.5T??
      hmmmm
      rumored to be 365hp
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    17. 10-09-2008 02:12 PM #67
      Hey folks....add another 3.6 to the list I have a 2006 Passat 3.6L that I just got back today after being in the shop for 24 DAYS! I was at 18700mi when THE failure occured. For two weeks I noticed the Pst would start and idle rough and people mistook it for a diesel! It was also not accelerating like it used to and shifted hard around 2k rpm. I made an appt for that next week and the day that I was dropping it off, my CEL came on solid. The codes were for the cam shaft sensor. I leave the Pst at the dealer and call every other day for updates. In addition to the engine I also told them of other problems I was having. This was the 3RD time my parktronic has failed and comes on as a constant beep when it has rained/is raining, also little things like chrome pieces being uneven and a/c smell. I dropped my Pst off on 9/15 and got it back today 10/9 I called VWOA and voiced my concern since the engine was not replaced and the customer service at the dealership was lacking to say the least. They only replaced the oil pump, bolt, chains etc. I asked VWOA for something like an extended warrant or something to show they cared about their customers and their concerns. In a nutshell I was told to *appreciate* my vehicle being fixed blah blah blah. Oh wait....I was compensated according to VWOA , apparently the dealer performed a FREE OF CHARGE detail on my Pst Gee thanks, I don't think a detail compensates me for time off work and the feeling that VW doesn't care about their customers post sale. By the way my loaner was a gas sucker aka F150...I put $400 into it while I was using it, and normally about 120-200 per month with the Pst.
      VIN # wvweu73c66p157749
      Production date unknown at this point
      Any help on how to stick it to VW or the dealership is greatly appreciated. I don't qualify for the lemon law, besides, I love my Pst.
      I'm on the verge of getting something nice made on magenetic signs and having some friends along with myself drive around with the signs on our vehicles. They also have VW's and HATE this dealer


      Modified by swtgermangrl at 12:32 PM 10-9-2008

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      10-10-2008 08:51 PM #68
      Sorry to hear about your problems swtgermangrl, I have little over 52k miles so far no problems with the engine, knock on wood we both drive this baby really hard,me and my wife. I had problems with parking sensors, same thing, beeping on wet, dealer replaced all due to a recall.
      I hope all work for you now, good luck. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-13-2008 11:47 PM #69
      Has anyone figured out if there is a way to know the build dates of the affected cars? I'm looking at an 07 4Motion sedan, and will check the build date tomorrow. I'd rather pass on the car than worry.
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    20. 11-19-2008 03:55 AM #70
      Production date: 01/2006
      Failure: Inspect oil pump drive gear bolt, found it broken
      Vehicle: 2006 Passat 3.6L All-Motion @ just under 17k miles.

    21. 01-28-2009 05:38 PM #71
      driving on the autobahn and the engine power distribution light came on (drive-by-wire). called VW and asked if this is something i need to bring in ASAP. tech said no, it will go into an emergency mode and let you drive on. the car had no power after 2800 RPM, the trans was shifting really funny, and the engine was starting to get weak. started to drive home and the engine stopped. no power and could not turn it over. after reading in the forum, i think that i have the same problem that everyone else has. come to find out by the road side service tech, the cam chain had broke and the camshafts stopped turning. everyone knows what this means... the motor is a total loss and needs to be replaced. block and head are shot. valves are bent or chipped and the pistons have holes in them. i will post the outcome of the official findings and the VIN so we can find out what the heck is going on...

    22. 01-28-2009 06:18 PM #72
      Quote, originally posted by RobMan8023 »
      See: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3451148
      PM me if you have had this failure and I'll put together a folder of all the work-orders related to this problem. Maybe bringing this evidence to our dealerships will convince them to do a preventive fix.

      Rob,
      just did a writeup on my issue as well. looks like im number 34. total engine failure.
      Ross

    23. 01-28-2009 06:22 PM #73
      E is the code that i have as well on my VIN. looks like its the same plant for all of these engines.
      Ross

    24. 01-30-2009 07:44 PM #74
      No, there's a "P" in the second page of the thread.

    25. 02-11-2009 07:09 PM #75
      Production Date: May 2006
      Failure reported by dealer: Oil Pump Bolt failure
      Mileage: 26,000


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