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    Thread: **Official 24V 3.6L Engine (oil pump bolt) failure thread**

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      05-23-2012 09:33 AM #141
      At the dealer now for 60K service and I inquired how much it would cost to change out the bolt before it fails. The Service Advisor quoted it at about 14 hours. The labor rate at this dealership is $115 per hour so the rough cost is $1,610. Jeez...

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      07-01-2012 07:12 PM #142
      I'm a technician at a local dealer here in Texas, and we currently have a 2006 Touareg with 56,xxx miles on it in the shop with the oil pump bolt being the suspected part of failure. Vehicle came in with cam range/performance faults. Technician working on the vehicle returns from school this week and should finish inspecting for damage.

      On another note though, I'm curious to know if those getting quotes to fix this issue out of warranty, is it being done in, or out of the vehicle (for Passat owners)? I can't forsee it taking 14 hours to R&I the transmission and subframe while keeping the engine suspended in the bay while this is being performed.

      Just curious!
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      07-08-2012 07:31 PM #143
      Is there a list of VIN #'s to be worried about somewhere? A range of suspect vehicles? Looking at a 2007 3.6 right now..

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      07-09-2012 05:07 AM #144
      You need to be worried about 06/07 vehicles (including the one you're looking at).

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      11-07-2012 01:31 PM #145
      add me to the list.............

      production date 10/06
      failure date 10/26/12
      85,000 miles on motor

      at dealer now..........wish me luck
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      11-07-2012 05:14 PM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by mattnucci View Post
      add me to the list.............

      production date 10/06
      failure date 10/26/12
      85,000 miles on motor

      at dealer now..........wish me luck
      Keep us posted on what dealer and how corporate (incl local Vw rep) treated you.

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      11-08-2012 12:12 PM #147
      They are covering parts to fix it ( the motor was still good, i was able to drive it to the dealer) and i have to pay labor. So i'll be out about $1500 or so. This was partially due to the dealer going to bat for me with VW as they knew it was a "known" issue. The regional guy just happened to be there the day i brought the car in and was extremely nice to be and said he would look into the issue.

      All in all i am extremely happy with VWofA and their service. Could be why i own the 07 Passat Lux wagon, a 09 Rabbit and an 02 Audi A4. I have always been treated well by both Audi and VW dealerships in my area!!
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      11-09-2012 08:19 AM #148
      Some pics of the damage:

      Here you can see the bolt actually not attached as they took the transmission out.


      If you look on the top left of the cover you can see where the loose bolt scratched into the cover


      Why it costs so much, everything must come out:


      Some of the parts they replaced (there were a ton more):


      Starting to go back together with new parts:


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      11-09-2012 03:02 PM #149
      How you were able to get to the dealer is beyond me... Must've been the cover that kept that bolt in for just enough time)

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      11-09-2012 03:09 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      How you were able to get to the dealer is beyond me... Must've been the cover that kept that bolt in for just enough time)
      I have a very good working relationship with the dealer as me and my wife and our entire car group buy and get our cars serviced there. The dealer was willing to go to bat for me to VWofA to get it covered. Most dealerships won't because it is not worth their time. That is the difference between a good dealership and a dealership that just wants your money.

      Most dealerships have an allowable amount of stuff they are allowed to write off every month, for instance if you have a bad parking sensor and the car is just out of warranty they will most likely replace it for you and eat the cost. In this instance it was above and beyond that and they were willing to make a case for it to corporate based on research they did showing this is a semi-common problem with the early versions of this motor and the fact that i am a good customer of theirs.
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      11-09-2012 06:25 PM #151
      What I meant was I was amazed to see that you DROVE the car to the dealer like that (and made it). Not surprised about the repair.

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      11-15-2012 08:27 AM #153
      Got the car back last night and it runs like a champ!! Classic VW in Mentor, Oh did an amazing job! Very happy to have my wagon back.
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      11-24-2012 09:24 PM #154
      mattnucci,
      Absolutely no disrespect meant, just curious about your comments. First, kudos to your dealer for going to bat for you, mine did the same but VWoA said too bad. Interested though,given that WVoA acknowledges this is a known issue, that they knew you were sitting on a ticking time bomb and did nothing to prevent a certain eventual disaster, why do you feel such loyalty toward them? I ask because I am the opposite, expect them to say we blew it, let's fix it before you are stranded...
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      11-26-2012 08:24 AM #155
      Quote Originally Posted by twiceunlucky View Post
      mattnucci,
      Absolutely no disrespect meant, just curious about your comments. First, kudos to your dealer for going to bat for you, mine did the same but VWoA said too bad. Interested though,given that WVoA acknowledges this is a known issue, that they knew you were sitting on a ticking time bomb and did nothing to prevent a certain eventual disaster, why do you feel such loyalty toward them? I ask because I am the opposite, expect them to say we blew it, let's fix it before you are stranded...
      Cheers,
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      No disrespect taken, more than happy to tell why.

      I am a VW head. A true VW head. Anyone who owns a vw or 3 like i do and is an enthusiast of the product knows that owning one means at some point in time you will have issues with the car. We VW owners have the battered wife syndrome "it brakes down on me because it loves me" haha This aside, the rest of the time it is a well refined vehicle that is a ton of fun and comfort to drive.

      This wagon is my daily driver. My toy is a 2002 Audi A4 with a list of mods on it longer than i can list and it has been constantly fixed over the years. But it is a toy and i don't mind that it brakes down because that gives me an excuse to get dirty and work on it.

      That being said, my wife has a 09 Rabbit with a WARRANTY and i will never have her drive a VW without a warranty lol I guess it's just part of the VW car culture. You take the good with the bad because the cars are so bad ass when they run right.
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      12-05-2012 11:00 PM #156
      I put a new motor in a 2006 Passat right before I left my VW dealer I had worked for. Took 2 months for it to be approved for repairs. Mainly because of issues with VWoA not approving the repairs, then attempts through extended warranty, etc. Extended warranty later picked up the tab. $8900 for a new long block, plus labor.
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      12-07-2012 12:45 AM #157
      Way better attitude than mine, seems to work, good luck with the vehicle. I have the A6 3.0 SC (it's not a T Audi!!!) love the vehicle too, but I'm a bit more fickle than you. Business is business. Cheers!

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      12-07-2012 12:30 PM #158
      Quote Originally Posted by Scuba2001 View Post
      I'm a technician at a local dealer here in Texas, and we currently have a 2006 Touareg with 56,xxx miles on it in the shop with the oil pump bolt being the suspected part of failure. Vehicle came in with cam range/performance faults. Technician working on the vehicle returns from school this week and should finish inspecting for damage.

      On another note though, I'm curious to know if those getting quotes to fix this issue out of warranty, is it being done in, or out of the vehicle (for Passat owners)? I can't forsee it taking 14 hours to R&I the transmission and subframe while keeping the engine suspended in the bay while this is being performed.

      Just curious!
      Well, I don't know how long the actual work took on my car, but when mine failed I got a replacement engine. It arrived on a Thursday evening and the full swap was done by 3:00 that Friday.

    19. 03-17-2013 01:08 PM #159
      So, is there any list that shows a correlation of failures and production dates or manufacturing plants?

      Is there a rule of thumb that if the engine has made it past xxx miles, it will be ok forever? Or have these things been known to be fine for 6 years and 100k miles, then all of a sudden back out.

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      03-17-2013 02:29 PM #160
      It's really just a matter of time. Last engine I did had 78k miles on it and was 6 years old. Either way you look at it, if it hasn't been replaced or anything at this point, it's a ticking time bomb.
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      03-20-2013 12:53 PM #161
      Quote Originally Posted by big_c02 View Post
      So, is there any list that shows a correlation of failures and production dates or manufacturing plants?

      Is there a rule of thumb that if the engine has made it past xxx miles, it will be ok forever? Or have these things been known to be fine for 6 years and 100k miles, then all of a sudden back out.
      There isn't a list that shows a correlation between dates or plants. Many of the previous owners have moved on, so the details on each car are hard to come by.
      There doesn't appear to be any rule of thumb in terms of making it past a certain point of mileage or age. Someone in the B6 forum recently experienced a bolt failure and I beleive he was above 90k miles.
      I was recently picking up my car from my indy (for maitenance) and he was breaking the bad news to a lady whose 2006 Taureg went from a super well maintained, perfectly running ride to German paperweight in an instant. The bolt suddenly broke after over 100k miles.
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      03-29-2013 02:17 AM #162
      My MIL Just came on, and here's the code I pulled. I have 86,000 on my Passat 3.6. Does everyone think it's the bolt that's throwing off my timing?

      000022 (Fault Code) - Bank 1:
      CMP Sensor (G40) (DIN Component Identifier)
      Engine Speed Sensor (G28) (DIN Component Identifier)
      P0016 - 008 (OBD II Code) - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 11101000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Mileage: 139119 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2013.03.06
      Time: 11:30:55


      Symptoms of a P0016 will or may include:

      Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) illumination
      The engine may run but with reduced performance
      The engine may crank but not start
      The engine may exhibit a rattle near the harmonic balancer indicating the tone ring is damaged
      The engine may start and run, but poorly
      CausesCauses may include:

      Timing chain stretched, or timing belt skipped a tooth due to wear
      Misalignment of timing belt/chain
      Tone ring on crankshaft slipped/broken
      Tone ring on camshaft slipped/broken
      Bad crank sensor
      Bad cam sensor
      Damaged wiring to crank/cam sensor
      Timing belt/chain tensioner damaged

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      03-29-2013 07:44 AM #163
      so is this ONLY a 06-07 issue? I just picked up a 2010 CC and am a little concerned about this problem. I've got a 2 year warranty, just wanted to get some info.
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      03-29-2013 09:41 AM #164
      Quote Originally Posted by sk8too View Post
      so is this ONLY a 06-07 issue? I just picked up a 2010 CC and am a little concerned about this problem. I've got a 2 year warranty, just wanted to get some info.
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      03-30-2013 01:51 PM #166
      FWIW...i had the same code after my engine was replaced and it was the cam sensor gone bad (totally separate from my bolt failure) Replaced and good as new ever since.

    27. 04-17-2013 01:06 PM #167
      I just had a CEL with the EPC come up on my dash while driving (not flashing), the car then went into limp mode, no power on accelration or high end gear shift, and then abruptly cut off. Now it will not start. I scanned the car (2007 Passat 3.6L wagon) and found the following codes:

      000833 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
      P0341 - 004 - Implausible Signal
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 01100100
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Mileage: 165395 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2013.04.14
      Time: 18:05:01
      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 2259 /min
      Load: 32.1 %
      Speed: 112.0 km/h
      Temperature: 85.0°C
      Temperature: 28.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
      Voltage: 13.589 V
      000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28)
      P0016 - 008 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 11101000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Mileage: 165410 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2013.04.14
      Time: 18:28:39
      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 2423 /min
      Load: 32.1 %
      Speed: 120.0 km/h
      Temperature: 83.0°C
      Temperature: 27.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
      Voltage: 13.970 V
      000104 - MAP/MAF <-> Throttle Position Correlation
      P0068 - 002 -
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 01100010
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 2
      Mileage: 165494 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2013.04.14
      Time: 19:15:59
      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 2189 /min
      Load: 53.3 %
      Speed: 108.0 km/h
      Temperature: 81.0°C
      Temperature: 23.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
      Voltage: 13.843 V
      Readiness: 0000 0000


      I ordered a new cam sensor and hope that is the problem. Please let me know if the other codes relate to the P0341. I have owned the car for 1.5 years (bought used) and never had a problem. Car never idled rough or anything.

      My search shows nothing combining these three codes.

      Please help.

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      04-17-2013 01:09 PM #168
      the Cam positioning sensor code is the code that i had that made me take it to the dealer and they found that the bolt had backed out.

      Be careful that it isn't more that just that.

      The cam positioning code came on in mine because when the bolt came out it jumped teeth and broke the sensor.
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      04-19-2013 12:49 AM #169
      Anyone know of one of these engines available anywhere?
      I'm looking for just an engine block or a complete bottom end (short block)
      By the sounds of this thread quite a few have been replaced by dealers?
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      04-19-2013 05:25 AM #170
      Salvage yards have complete motors... Just verify vin that its from an 08 car to avoid this issue. Otherwise be prepared to fix oil bolt on salvage motor. The short blocks may be much tougher to find though. Classifieds pop up here and there but be cautious as to who and why. Don't wanna end up with a bottom end from an unsuspecting or bad seller.

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      04-20-2013 04:10 AM #171
      I hear ya howver I will be pulling it all apart to build a twin turbo MK2 so a bottom end from one of these problem engines would be ideal, just the block even better.
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      05-14-2013 10:28 AM #172
      Just had my B6 serviced for the oil pump bolt backing out. I'm pretty lucky that there wsa no damage to the engine other than some excessive grooving in the timing cover. The bill was close to $2000 for the service.

    33. 07-08-2013 07:56 PM #173
      I have a question that I would love to get a definitive answer soon on. I am courting the purchase of a 2006 Passat 3.6 4Motion Sport Package 2. The owner said back in March 2012, at 38,250 miles (outside of the original 3-year/36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty), he had the engine removed for purposes of replacing this trouble-prone oil pump bolt before it caused a problem, which he said the cost was covered by VWoA due to the high percentage of problems these engines had. The CarFax also said the headgasket was replaced at the same time (why would the head have to come off?), the engine was removed to complete the repair, the timing chain was replaced, the catalytic converter was replaced, etc.

      Did VWoA offer a no-cost replacement of this problematic oil pump bolt as a preventative measure at no cost to the owner (as a warranty item), as in a recall?

      If yes, then why would the engine require removal (to complete repair) and require a headgasket replacement?

      Is the current owner "pulling one over on me?"

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      07-08-2013 09:15 PM #174
      Head gasket does not need replacement as part of the oil pump bolt fix.

    35. 07-08-2013 09:21 PM #175
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      Head gasket does not need replacement as part of the oil pump bolt fix.
      I agree. But the fact is that it was replaced when the oil pump bolt repair work was done, with the engine out of the car. The seller, who said he had this done as a preventative measure, paid for my VWoA, would not elaborate why the head needed to be removed. I'm thinking the real story is the oil pump bolt actually came loose and cause problems - which is not what the seller is saying happened. The seller's story just doesn't feel quite right.

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