Interesting, thanks for getting back tome so soon. So your car definitely has 4 speed link parts. Some of the other, larger shift linkage parts that do not wear were also different between the 4 and 5 speeds, it does not matter at this point but I wonder if your car has a mix of both or something.
Also, if you feel adventurous, you may still be able to find the original build sheet for the car showing what transmission code was in the car from the factory, and we can see if it was a 4 or 5 speed code. The sheets were either under the rear seat (visible if you fold the seat up like you were going to load big stuff in, down in the spare tire well, or between the taillights inside the trunk. It would have the VIN and a whole lot of alphanumeric stuff, the codes for the engine and transmission codes should be labeled.
If you find it and it indicates a 4 speed (I can decode the trans codes if you find the sheet) then at least we know that we're dealing with a past swap. If it indicates a 5 speed originally then I'm still stumped. Feel free to incorporate some of this into the Vortex thread if you wish, perhaps it will help someone else as well.
Thanks for emailing me back. The selector rods that came out of my car (and subsequently went back in) are a dead-on match for what you show to be the 4-speed selector rods.
A few months back, once the new parts were installed, I also thought it might have been an alignment issue. I checked shifter alignment according to specs in the Bentley manual, and still, the car will only shift with what you show to be the 4-speed linkage parts. No amount of adjusting the alignment allowed for the 5-speed linkage parts to work. Furthermore, the original selector rods that came out of my car look to have aged with the car, and appear to have been in there from the factory. Of course, I have no proof these parts weren't replaced in the last few decades, but they really do look 30 years old to me, so I suspect, but can't prove the parts are original to the car..
I certainly am not trying to start any sort of dispute, and actually, my instincts are telling me to incorporate this email discussion into the thread on Vortex. If you guys have sold this kit for a long time, and it works for most people, I don't want my lone discussion on Vortex to cost you any sales. Besides, if that is the case, then logically, myself and the other person on Vortex with the problem may have some sort of oddball shift linkage setup that incorporates incorrect 4-speed parts, but works with the 5-speed transmission.
GAP is well-respected for a good reason, and my only motivation is to get clarification on the correct parts for the application. As I said, I certainly plan to keep purchasing parts from you guys.
Thanks for getting back to me on this,
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mark <XXXXXXX@germanautoparts.com> wrote:
From: Mark <XXXXXXX@germanautoparts.com>
Subject: Shift linkage parts
To: "XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com" <XXXXXXX@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:22 AM
I'm still stumped. I certainly do not want to dispute that the parts are not working, but we feel pretty confident that they are correct. I recall when we spoke several months ago that I went out to check the kits on the shelf just to make sure that we did not have any kits built with the 4 speed parts by accident, and we did not. Again, not to dispute your findings but we have sold hundreds and hundreds of these over the last 15 years and I have installed many myself. The only cases we have heard where they would not work is where the car had 4 speed linkage parts in originally.
If the 4 speed parts are used in a 5 speed it is possible to adjust things so it will shift, but then when the 'correct' 5 speed parts are installed it will not shift well as it has been 'mis-adjusted' to make the 4 speed parts work in the past. Maybe this is the problem?
I have attached a photo here showing both the 4 and 5 speed parts together. For each of the three components the 4 speed part is on top and the 5 speed part is below it. Please compare these to your original parts that work and also the replacement parts that do not and let me know what you find.
I hope we can get to the bottom of this.
> Hello A few months ago I ordered a 5-speed shifter rebuild kit for my 1980 Rabbit. Upon installation, I was not able to shift. I then compared the new selector rods I received to the old ones I took out of the car, and they were not the same length. I put the old ones back in (old rods, new bushings), and the car shifted fine. I recall calling GAP a day or two later to ask if I'd received the 4-speed selector rods. The person on the phone was polite and helpful, but insisted I got the right parts. I didn't see any reason to pursue it further. I took that person on their word, and just assumed there was some logical reason I didn't know that my 5-speed Rabbit only shifted with the WRONG parts in place. Yesterday, on VWVortex, I spotted and then replied to THIS thread (I'm the user known as magicbus): http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4333208 I replied to the original poster, and he also got his shift linkage to work ONLY with the old selector rods, which did not match the new selector rods supplied with the rebuild kit sold by GAP. I suspect, once again, that you may be inadvertently selling rebuild kits for a 4-speed transmission linkage, and not a 5-speed as advertised. (Note - I also believe the relay lever in the kit is for a 4-speed car, as I also had to re-install my original relay lever to get the car to shift. I compared the old one and the new one, and they appear to be different sizes). As this point, I'm not looking for a refund, or the correct parts, nor am I or was I ever upset to any notable degree. My order was placed almost 6 months ago (October 24, 2008 - order #XXXXXX). I, and at least some of the other Vortex users in that thread still hold a high opinion of GAP and plan to continue buying from you. But, I really do believe that you should check out the kit you're selling for the 5-speed linkage a little more closely, because I don't think it's correct. Sincerely, "MagicBus"
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