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      05-05-2011 01:09 PM #12041
      Quote Originally Posted by 85roccoZ400 View Post
      Have you made a fuel pump jumper to see if you can trigger the fuel pump to run.
      no - i still don't understand what that is.

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      05-05-2011 01:26 PM #12043
      you create a wire like so . . .



      The small wire line with the 2 yellow connectors.

      Then you remove the fuel pump relay and install the jumper.

      Like this . . . .


      The jumper should run the fuel pump continuously when installed.
      Last edited by 85roccoZ400; 05-05-2011 at 01:34 PM.

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      05-05-2011 01:31 PM #12044
      I created mine using one of these



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      05-05-2011 01:44 PM #12045
      Aren't you guys clever. I usually use a paperclip.

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      05-05-2011 01:57 PM #12046
      Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Verminaard View Post
      Aren't you guys clever. I usually use a paperclip.

      Brendan
      and that works fine? that's definitely on the list of 'stuff i have laying around'

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      05-05-2011 02:12 PM #12047
      I've heard of people doing the paperclip thing, just never don't it personally.

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      05-05-2011 02:39 PM #12048
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Matthew View Post
      and that works fine? that's definitely on the list of 'stuff i have laying around'
      Yeah, anything that gets the electrons from point A to point B will work. I have a short hunk of electrical wire with two spade connectors in my toolkit, so that's what I use. I actually think I might have one of those in the gloveboxes of each one, though I'm 90% sure the purple car came with one in it glovebox. Gotta love VeeDubs.


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      05-05-2011 02:55 PM #12049
      i'm gonna go try it.

      if i understand right, the fuel pump going when i jumper it means that it's the relay (which is brand new). if it doesn't, then it's something else?

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      05-05-2011 04:11 PM #12050
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Matthew View Post
      i'm gonna go try it.

      if i understand right, the fuel pump going when i jumper it means that it's the relay (which is brand new). if it doesn't, then it's something else?
      okay, here's what happened - the pump spewed fuel everywhere (i couldn't even get it to do that, before.) i went and hand tightened everything (lazy) and it still spit some fuel on the ground, but the car still doesn't want to start.

      do i need a new relay, then? mine's brand new, though it is from autozone.

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      05-05-2011 07:03 PM #12051
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Matthew View Post
      okay, here's what happened - the pump spewed fuel everywhere (i couldn't even get it to do that, before.) i went and hand tightened everything (lazy) and it still spit some fuel on the ground, but the car still doesn't want to start.

      do i need a new relay, then? mine's brand new, though it is from autozone.
      If everything isn't tight, and it's leaking fuel, it's not going to have enough fuel pressure at the fuel distributor. Stop being lazy and make sure everything is tight and not leaking.
      Deal with it.
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      05-05-2011 07:35 PM #12052
      I saw a Scirocco on my way home from work.
      Deal with it.
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      05-05-2011 08:24 PM #12053
      Yeah man. Get under that thing tighten everything up and run the pump again. Check for leaks and if all is good try to crank her. Then if there is no start there are enough people on the forum to point you in the right direction.

      Yes these cars can be fustrating and at time you feel like you aren't getting anywhere.
      Just keep a positive mind and keep at it.

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      05-05-2011 08:37 PM #12054
      Plus if it's leaking everywhere it may look like Chris' black 16V looked at the end, and you don't want that. Brian's jumper is a good way to go, or the same thing with a switch, which is what I did and works great.

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      05-05-2011 08:40 PM #12055
      Quote Originally Posted by Amsterdam087 View Post
      Went and ordered a Springfield Armory XDm 3.8 compact!
      Pretty excited. Can't wait for it to get here!


      Nice! I have a small frame .45 from Firestar that I love. Fits perfectly in the hand.

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      05-05-2011 10:09 PM #12056
      thanks for the help, folks. tomorrow i should have plenty of time after my last exam to tighten everything up and try her out.


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      05-05-2011 10:28 PM #12057
      Quote Originally Posted by crazyaboutrocs View Post
      Plus if it's leaking everywhere it may look like Chris' black 16V looked at the end, and you don't want that. Brian's jumper is a good way to go, or the same thing with a switch, which is what I did and works great.
      Yeah, the coolest temp wiring rig is one like that with a switch and a fuse holder. I built one with alligator clips and have used it a whole bunch of times as a bypass.

      And Chris wasn't being mean saying not to be lazy, he was just quoting your own words. So snug that stuff up, everyone hates working with fuel leaks, they are no fun. Keep an extinguisher handy just in case, you should have a good one in you garage anyway, so this is as good an exuse as any to get one. At least you don't run the risk of soaking your bra with gas. Or I don't think you do...

      In other news, can I tell you how much I love getting parts for 16Vs? (Or getting parts around here in general for that matter...) So I'm on week two trying to get an air filter for the 8V (which has some wierd diesel airbox on it apparently) but I figured ordering a battery for the 16V would be easy. It's an Interstate, so may as well support the local dealer. Phone him up, give him the Interstate part number off the one in the other 16V, should be easy right? No, the delivery guy brought one with the terminals on the wrong side, and in the wrong housing. Other than that is was perfect. Well, it was 12V at least....so the delivery guy was supposed to bring the right one this evening, they would phone. Perfect day for beer thirty to come mid-afternoon, but I held off so I could go get the battery. No call....so there she sits again. Charging system seems to be the theme in the herd this spring.

      And on yet another note, there are some dang good brewers in Iceland!

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      05-05-2011 10:42 PM #12058
      I should send a selection of my beers to Cincy for you all's to enjoy...

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      05-05-2011 11:20 PM #12059
      Quote Originally Posted by punchbug View Post
      And Chris wasn't being mean saying not to be lazy, he was just quoting your own words. So snug that stuff up, everyone hates working with fuel leaks, they are no fun. Keep an extinguisher handy just in case, you should have a good one in you garage anyway, so this is as good an exuse as any to get one. At least you don't run the risk of soaking your bra with gas. Or I don't think you do...
      no, i know he wasn't being mean, and i know i am being lazy... i gave myself 15 minutes to go outside today and work on it while taking a break from studying, so i didn't have much of an effort to put in.

      and 'have a good one in your garage'... looks like i gotta get a garage!

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      05-05-2011 11:28 PM #12060
      Quote Originally Posted by twardnw View Post
      I should send a selection of my beers to Cincy for you all's to enjoy...

      some schoolhouse stuff?

    21. 05-06-2011 12:25 AM #12061
      Had one of the best days ever. Went train chasing with Mike and Daun. Oh what a beautiful train did we find! Followed by Stig like manuvers to find said train again. Unfortuantely we were not in Scirocco, but BMW. Daun has the pictures. It was a beautiful day. And quite the adventure.

      I only thought we were going to die once, mostly because as this beautiful train was rounding the corner into the Toledo Amtrak station the two boys decided it would be good idea to start getting out of the car, it mostly still running. All I saw was a conrete barrier and my car not stopping. But the brake was pulled and the car was stopped, in just enough time.

      The only thing that I didn't get to experience today that I wish I had was a properly executed hand brake turn. So therefore I am pretty sure the day was partly a fail. Oh and did I forget to mention that I was half asleep for the majority of it?

      We did have Ice Cream and Tacos though.
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      05-06-2011 08:19 AM #12062
      good morning!

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      05-06-2011 08:44 AM #12063
      Quote Originally Posted by jedilynne View Post
      We did have Ice Cream and Tacos though.
      Win!

      Oh, hi Brian.

      Getting things sorted on the 8VT?

      Also, should I get coco mats or Berber?
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      05-06-2011 08:52 AM #12064
      Quote Originally Posted by scirocco*joe View Post

      Oh, hi Brian.

      Getting things sorted on the 8VT?
      Yes I am slowly. There is still a bunch of things needing to be finish, all little details.

      But I did drive it in to work again today.

      Has anyone every had to repair the mounting nuts in the hood? On my DS the welds broke on both.

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      05-06-2011 09:34 AM #12065
      Quote Originally Posted by 85roccoZ400 View Post
      Yes I am slowly. There is still a bunch of things needing to be finish, all little details.

      But I did drive it in to work again today.

      Has anyone every had to repair the mounting nuts in the hood? On my DS the welds broke on both.
      Bring me turbo......

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      05-06-2011 10:05 AM #12066
      Quote Originally Posted by jedilynne View Post
      Had one of the best days ever. Went train chasing with Mike and Daun. Oh what a beautiful train did we find! Followed by Stig like manuvers to find said train again. Unfortuantely we were not in Scirocco, but BMW. Daun has the pictures. It was a beautiful day. And quite the adventure.
      Yeah, so... Mike and I are both fans of the Pennsylvania Railroad - which has been gone for over 40 years. I got wind this week that a couple of restored PRR locomotives were to be trekking from Philly to Chicago on Thursday with a couple of restored PRR passenger cars in tow and decided I wanted to take advantage of this rare opportunity to see them running. Mike quickly agreed that this was a Good Idea (tm), and the weather forecast was even favorable.

      Soooo, I hopped in the 172 and headed north for Toledo. (One of these years I'm going to get the trim piece over the instrument panel re-installed!)



      I passed by one of our favorite train-watching spots on the way - Fostoria OH. As usual, there was plenty of activity.



      Once on the ground, we went in search of The Train. We had been getting updates via a friend that couldn't make it as to its current location, and ended up meeting a couple guys that were doing the same thing we were.

      The chase happened quite by accident. We had set up a nice shot, only to have a freight train come to a stop in front of us. Thinking we still had a bit of time, we waited for a bit.... when all of the sudden The Train went by on the other track at 60 mph. We finally caught up with it in Toledo proper, ironically at the Amtrak station. (This was where Lynne was sure we were going to hit a concrete barrier - literally pulled up in the middle of the parking lot, jumped out over the barrier and took this shot.)



      We decided to set up one more location since we wanted to catch The Train going by at speed, so off to the west edge of town we went. Well, it was approaching rush hour and traffic was, ummm, less than speedy, but we made it several minutes ahead of The Train.



      By this point it was nearing 5:00, so back to the airport we went and I took off for home.



      I did see a really cool bridge on the way back, complete with train.



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      05-06-2011 10:23 AM #12067
      Quote Originally Posted by vwdaun View Post
      Yep, we're geeks.
      true... just like everyone else in the Scirocco forum.

      You do however have the coolest hobbies imho.
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      05-06-2011 11:18 AM #12068
      I did the unthinkable. I made a post in the mk4 forum, and everybody agreed with me. Even the OP changed his mind. I'm in shock. This means I win at the internets, right?
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      05-06-2011 11:57 AM #12069
      Quote Originally Posted by cholland_ View Post
      I did the unthinkable. I made a post in the mk4 forum, and everybody agreed with me. Even the OP changed his mind. I'm in shock. This means I win at the internets, right?
      It means you are a god among men. Or a man among retards, not sure which.
      Deal with it.
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      05-06-2011 12:13 PM #12070
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris16vRocco View Post
      It means you are a god among men. Or a man among retards, not sure which.
      Signature worthy right there

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      05-06-2011 02:34 PM #12071
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris16vRocco View Post
      If everything isn't tight, and it's leaking fuel, it's not going to have enough fuel pressure at the fuel distributor. Stop being lazy and make sure everything is tight and not leaking.
      @ Jacob M:

      What he said ^ x2. The fuel system runs at high pressures, 30+ psi to pop the injectors, and you can lose a lot of pressure in a hurry to a leak that doesn't seem that bad...

      Also, I'm curious; just how opened up was this system? You may have sucked some air into it, which is a bad thing. I think you can at least partly bleed by disconnecting the fuel line to the Cold Start Valve (aka "5th injector"), put open end of hose in large container (say 1/2 gallon or bigger), jumper fuel pump relay. You 'should' get bunches of fuel, if you get foam or bubbles continue running pump until you don't anymore.
      Next step after that would be to pull the injectors... that's a bit more involved; as you'd want to replace (at least) seats and seals while you're there, and also will have to fake the airflow sensor plate. In general my experience has been that doing the CSV bleed is sufficient, that should remove most if not all air to and through the fuel distributor, any remaining air bubbles will eventually work out through the individual injector lines (though you'll probably have some rough running and misfiring until they do).

      On the fuel pump jumper; a paper clip WILL work, but I recommend against. A paper clip will conduct electrons, but does not do so efficiently. In electrics, less efficiency means more heat, so... if you leave the clip in more than a few seconds, it will get hot. Hot enough to burn your fingers when you go to pull it out, and that can't be good for the relay socket or its connections.
      Good heavy wire is better, use crimp- on spade connectors at each end; solder if convenient. Building the jumper with an inline fuse is a good idea, so is a switch if you expect to be doing a 'lot' of fuel system troubleshooting. But fuse and switch, while helpful, are not required. Still, both are good ideas (fuse for safety, switch for ease of use).

      On fuel connections; for sure tighten anything that you made loose, jumper fuel relay and check again for leaks. The copper washers can be reused if you're careful, re-face by rubbing them on fine sandpaper (350 grit or finer) on a flat surface. When both faces are clean and shiny and show no visible scratches (deeper than your sanding), they're good to go.
      Clean, clean, CLEAN!! CIS is sensitive to dirt, too. Get a couple of cans of spray fuel cleaner, use 'em on everything BEFORE you open connections and again as you reassemble.

      Hope this helps. Good luck.



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      05-06-2011 07:02 PM #12073
      Cool stuff Daun.
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      05-06-2011 07:12 PM #12075
      Quote Originally Posted by 85roccoZ400 View Post
      Signature worthy right there
      I agree!
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