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    Thread: VW 2.0Litre 16v cylinder head cutaway pictures(33)

    1. 06-21-2009 05:58 PM #1
      VW 2 litre 16V cylinder head. (Engine code, 6A) Later casting, same as abf.

      RED=Cut Faces.
      YELLOW=Exhaust Ports.
      GREEN=Intake Ports.
      NAVY=Waterways.
      ALLOY=Original Casting Open To Air.


      One thing to note this was a test head, the injector cut outs and valve guide bosses have been smoothed, 3 intake ports were polished, THERE WAS NO METAL GROUND FROM ORIGINAL PORT WALLS, just polished.
      In the mean time ill let the pictures do the talking,
      enjoy
      B.G)

      Modified by chippievw at 5:14 AM 6-26-2009


      Modified by chippievw at 5:14 AM 6-26-2009


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      06-21-2009 07:52 PM #2
      That is very cool!

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      06-22-2009 05:15 AM #3
      Looks like a lot of hard work, pretty impressive

      What are you looking to learn/have you learned from the cutaway? Are you the same guy who did the cutaway of the block that I saw on clubgti?

      edit: just saw the same pics on the audi BTCC 16v motor thread

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    4. 06-22-2009 08:45 AM #4
      Quote, originally posted by nick526 »
      Looks like a lot of hard work, pretty impressive

      What are you looking to learn/have you learned from the cutaway? Are you the same guy who did the cutaway of the block that I saw on clubgti?

      edit: just saw the same pics on the audi BTCC 16v motor thread


      Yep, thats me on club gti!
      Im learning just how far the 16v ports can be taken too
      Ive had a very exiting and what i feel ground breaking weekend, the pictures say it all
      Im delighted to be able to share them with you all



      Modified by chippievw at 6:08 AM 6-26-2009

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      06-22-2009 12:55 PM #6
      Nice work sir, thank you very much for sharing, looking forward to seeing the rest of the information.

    7. 06-22-2009 06:15 PM #7
      Excellent work!!!

      Veryhelpful to me regarding the thickness of the material between the ports and coolant passages.

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      06-22-2009 09:21 PM #8
      Amazing work!
      Thanks for sharing

    9. 06-23-2009 06:31 AM #9
      Im going to try and make as simple as possible to understand so people can compare/go off these measurements if someone wants to take their head to the max and is afraid theyll hit a water/oil way.
      Im going to present the measurement diagrams in 3d if you like, and show you how to make a simple datum point frame that can be fitted to a standard port(s) to take these measurements off so you can mimic them perfectly, or should i say use them to see how far you can go.
      Ill leave a safety margin on them to allow minium port wall thickness of say 2.5mm(in spots) or so, i have to compare all the port wall thickness in a load of places first in order to get an average casting thickness, find the average and danger areas, and add a few mm for a safety zone.
      I may even post 2 sets of dimensions, safe maximum dimensions for the experienced porter, and another set for the guys that like danger and want the MAXIMUM at all costs even if it means going near the borderlines.
      Ill present the port diagrams in MS paint (no laughing now!!).

      When i have time im going to run all these ''possible maximum'' port dimensions on my engine simulator(optimum port shape of course) package and see just what this head is theoretically able to flow.
      Should be interesting even if it is simulated.
      Thanks for the reply's guys, all for a good cause.

      I forgot to point out that some of the cuts above arent at 90 degrees to each other, some had to be cut at 85degress in order to take in all i wanted intto account and at the same time avoid the valve seats and other stuff as i dident want to risk damaging my 400mm tct alloy blade doing it ££££££££££££££££.


      THE INTAKE PORT.

      Cross-section view below, coloured lines corresponding to the coloured cross-sectional circular measuring planes in the diagram above.

      Please note that both tracts of intake ports are done in the Cross Section list below.
      I just showed you the location of the cross sections of the right port in the drawing above to save the sketch getting cluttered.

      Although it is all the one intake port and oblong at the point of entrance im going to treat it as if it were two so read carefully below, its pretty simple to follow really.
      The whole point of this table below is for anyone that wants to take their head to the maximum.
      Once i show you how to make the datum jig you will be able to look at specs below and with an Inside Calipers know in one second if you can go more or not in that particular area.

      Obviously the port would look pretty odd if you were to take it out to each of these angle measurements shown below, thats not the full purpose of this table, its an indicator as to HOW FAR you can go in each particular place in order to perfect your desired port shape.

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      THE INTAKE PORT MAXIMUM MATERIAL REMOVAL REFERENCE MEASUREMENTS.
      WHITE CROSS SECTION 1.
      (Please note some angle measurements to port wall on the first few cross-sectional planes will be marked N/A as the port has not yet merged into two at this stage)
      First measurement is actual distance between gauge wire and wall, second measurement is possible size with appropriate warning measure listed after.
      Left Port.
      0' = 14mm 20mm
      45' = n/a
      90' = n/a
      135' = n/a
      180' = 14mm 18mm
      225' = 14mm 18mm
      270' = 14mm 18mm
      315' = 14mm 18mm

      Right Port.
      0' = 14mm> 20mm
      45' = 14mm> 18mm
      90' = 14mm> 18mm
      135' = 14mm> 18mm
      180' = 14mm> 18mm
      225' = n/a
      270' = n/a
      315' = n/a
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      GREEN CROSS SECTION 2.
      (Please note some angle measurements to port wall on the first few cross-sectional planes will be marked N/A as the port has not yet merged into two at this stage)
      Left Port.
      0' = 14mm 17mm
      45' = n/a
      90' = n/a
      135' = 14mm 17.5mm>1.5mm to water way
      180' = 14mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 14mm 17mm
      45' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 14mm 17.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = n/a
      315' = n/a
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      PINK CROSS SECTION 3.
      Left Port.
      0' = 13mm 16.5mm>2.0 to rocker interior area
      45' = n/a
      90' = n/a
      135' = 12mm 15.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to rocker interior area
      45' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 12mm 15.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = n/a
      315' = n/a
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      BLUE CROSS SECTION 4.
      Left Port.
      0' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to spring seat area directly above
      45' = n/a Although the port divide starts here I wont count it as it is dead alloy carring no water way at this point and can be ground.
      90' = n/a Although the port divide starts here I wont count it as it is dead alloy carring no water way at this point and can be ground.
      135' = 9mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 11mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 13mm 18mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 13mm 17mm>2.0mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 13mm 16.5mm>1.5mm to spring seat area directly above
      45' = 13mm 17mm>2.0mm to w/w
      90' = 13mm 18mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 11mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 9mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = n/a Although the port divide starts here I wont count it as it is dead alloy carring no water way at this point and can be ground.
      315' = n/a Although the port divide starts here I wont count it as it is dead alloy carring no water way at this point and can be ground.
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      LIGHT BROWN CROSS SECTION 5.
      Left Port.
      0' = 12mm 22mm, guide boss area, plently of material.
      45' = 12mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 10mm 13.5mm>1.5mm to narrow w/w in port divider
      135' = 9mm 13.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 12mm 15mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 12mm 15mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 14mm 17mm>1.5mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 12mm 22mm, guide boss area, plenty of material.
      45' = 14mm 17mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 12mm 15mm>1.5 to w/w
      135' = 12mm 15mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 9mm 13.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 10mm 13.5mm>1.5mm to narrow w/w in port divider
      315' = 12mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
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      LILAC CROSS SECTION 6.
      Measured off the valve stem cut piece as the cross-sectional plane line depicts in the above drawing.
      Left Port.
      0' = 5mm 8mm>1.5mm to w/w
      45' = 6mm 9mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 11mm 16mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 10mm 12mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 11mm 16mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 9mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 7mm 9.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 7mm 9.5mm>1.5mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 5mm 8mm>1.5mm to w/w
      45' = 7mm 9.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 7mm 9.5mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 9mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 11mm 16mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 10mm 12mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 11mm 16mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 6mm 9mm>1.5mm to w/w
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      GREY CROSS SECTION 7.
      Measured off valve stem.
      Left Port.
      0' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      45' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w

      Right Port.
      0' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      45' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      90' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      135' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      180' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      225' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      270' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
      315' = 10mm 14mm>1.5mm to w/w
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      THE EXHAUST PORT.


      Cross-section view below, coloured lines corresponding to the coloured cross-sectional circular measuring planes in the diagram above.

      Please note that both tracts of Exhaust port are done in the Cross Section list below.
      I just showed you the location of the cross sections of the right port in the drawing above to save the sketch getting cluttered.

      Although it is all the one Exhaust port at the point of entrance im going to treat it as if it were two so read carefully below, its pretty simple to follow really.
      The whole point of this table below is for anyone that wants to take their head to the maximum.
      Once i show you how to make the datum jig you will be able to look at specs below and with an Inside Callipers know in one second if you can go more or not in that particular area.

      Obviously the port would look pretty odd if you were to take it out to each of these angle measurements shown below, thats not the full purpose of this table, its an indicator as to HOW FAR you can go in each particular place in order to perfect your desired port shape.

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      THE EXHAUST PORT MAXIMUM MATERIAL REMOVAL REFERENCE MEASUREMENTS.
      WHITE CROSS SECTION 1.
      (Please note some angle measurements to port wall on the first few cross-sectional planes will be the same both left and right as the port has not yet merged into two tracts at this stage)
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      GREEN CROSS SECTION 2.
      (Please note some angle measurements to port wall on the first few cross-sectional planes will be the same both left and right as the port has not yet merged into two tracts at this stage)
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      PINK CROSS SECTION 3.
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      BLUE CROSS SECTION 4.
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      LIGHT BROWN CROSS SECTION 5.
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      LILAC CROSS SECTION 6.
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      GREY CROSS SECTION 7.
      Left Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =

      Right Port.
      0' =
      45' =
      90' =
      135' =
      180' =
      225' =
      270' =
      315' =
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      MAKING THE DATUM JIG AND USING IT TO TAKE REFERENCE MEASUREMENTS.

      Ok now we have all our maximum safe removal measurements so I'm going to show you how you can check your Cylinder Head off these measurements with a very simple datum jig and an inside callipers.

      Your going to need two intake valves, one valve guide, a 3mm bit, some 2.5mm strong wire, a hacksaw, a vernier callipers, and a few other small bits.

      The valves below.

      Measure 75mm from top of valve and mark it, either with a fine pen or some tape as I have done below.

      Cut, probably best to use grinder as there quite hard, finish up to the tape with the grinding stone to bring to 75mm.

      Next, cut the valve guide into two approx 12mm lengths.

      Drill these with a 3mm bit, dot punch first.

      Fit onto valve stems and make sure the centre of the 3mm hole is EXACTLY 48mm from the top of stem.

      Superglue or as i did soldier them in place, again making sure nothing moved, top of stem to centre of 3mm hole 48mm.

      Right you can leave them aside for a minute or two, now onto the 2.5mm wire.

      Youll need a few bits, lets start with the intake side, cut two pieces approx 95mm long.
      Once you have them cut point one end of each on the grinding stone.

      Measuring from the tip come 15mm at a time up along wire.
      Mark positions with a pen, once your happy lightly track each mark all around the wire with a junior hacksaw or dremel.
      Its very important not to bend the wire, it must be 100% straight. I used high chrome wire but im sure the core of a stainless high chrome welding rod would do fine.
      The purpose of these tracks is to hold a tiny band of paint to match the colours in my port cross-section sketch above.
      Maybe not that necessary but its easier to go off the colours instead of counting the grooves.

      Heres what you should have when complete.

      Wire should fit snugly into hole and not shake about.

      Leave them aside for the minute.

      Next up youll need a bit of material approx 100mm long(not important) approx 12mm wide, 3mm thick, it can be anything, steel, brass, possibly even a lolly pop stick.
      Mark out as shown below.

      With that same 3mm drill bit drill the two holes.

      Mark the location positions and track each edge with a junior hacksaw, also mark mid point on ends and track them too as shown below.

      Turn piece over and counter-sink the 3mm holes with an 8mm bit, be VERY careful you dont go all the way through.
      You just want to leave say 1mm of the 3mm hole at the tip of countersink.

      Intake jig all done, the stems can be used in the exhaust jig too so you'll only have to make one set to keep it simple.

      Now onto the exhaust jig, follow the drawings, same as intake port really but with different dimensions.

      Back to the wire again, you'll need two pieces 60mm long and 65mm long, point tips as before and from the tip mark the 5 points with 11mm between them.
      Track around as before.

      You should be left with this when finished, apply paint to grooves finishing in white at the straight end.

      Thats the datum jigs made!!
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    10. 06-23-2009 08:57 AM #10
      Can i just point out NOW that these are not co-ordinates for an ideal port plan, these are maximum metal removal dimensions before you contact a water way. Once i have these measurements I can use them to obtain an ideal port plan/shape. Im inserting info continually into my one main reply above to keep it clean so im not sure if anyone watching will be made aware when i do insert more info as an edit, so maybe best to keep watching if your interested. Thanks guys, and thanks for the replys, i think its exciting stuff.

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      06-24-2009 06:57 PM #11
      Holy technical post!!!

      Watching this one for sure.


    12. 06-24-2009 11:22 PM #12
      I am super pumped about this post and can not wait for your additions. I've also very interested in the ideal port plan/shape info as well. When do you think you will have more info? I know it's a new post but it's an awesome one and I thank you for it.


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    13. 06-25-2009 07:19 AM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Jeebus »
      I am super pumped about this post and can not wait for your additions. I've also very interested in the ideal port plan/shape info as well. When do you think you will have more info? I know it's a new post but it's an awesome one and I thank you for it.


      Should have it all done tomorrow eve, there isent really ''ideal port'' dimensions as each operator will want something different out of there head, ie, more top end ve and still keep some low down torque, or more torque low down with less high ve @high rpm etc etc, For me its good ve @ high rpm, thats all im bothered about at the moment.


    14. 06-25-2009 06:07 PM #14
      SETTING UP THE JIG AND USING IT TO REFERENCE THE MEASUREMENTS LISTED ABOVE.

      Right, first, give the intake face of head a good clean with water paper or a fly cutter in a milling machine.
      Insert two studs into lower holes that are used to affix intake manifold, one stud either end of head.
      (in my case head was cut so i used to holes near each other, you wont have that problem!)

      From the side of this stud mark a line 28mm up, this is your datum line for setting the jig and also the mid-way position of port mouth.

      Scribe a light line along head.

      Like so.

      Now the stems.

      Insert into guide from the bottom up, <FONT COLOR=""Red"">MAKE SURE</FONT> the red marks indicating when the holes are pointing straight out, parallel to each other.

      Using a piece of 3mm stock(if you used 3mm for the position pieces this will work perfect)set the stems 3mm shallower than head face.
      You could do this a number of ways I guess but this is the handiest I think using parts on hand.
      Perhaps tape on a rebated block to head face to ensure they stay exactly 3mm back, I set them once and they dident move afterwards. You just need to make sure they are 100%, easy.

      Insert wires into holes, remember its the long set of wires.

      Place strip on top making sure you centralise it on all the saw cuts on its edges in relation to port width, and line the cuts in the ends on the scribe mark you just made.

      If you have a scrap head now is the time to fill the countersinks around wire with soldier OR if its a good head and you fear a torch may warp it, use a two pack epoxy in there they dont take much holding really.
      Im going to soldier mine as ill be using this tool many times.

      You can now see with the jig in place measurements can be taken in seconds from the cross sectional measurements and with the inside callipers, and the great thing about it is for most porting work you can leave the stems in place and just pull strip and wires as a unit once soldiered giving you instant access to get the burr in there again for any fine tuning.
      It is important though to make sure stems dont move out of reference when checking specs, they wont though as there's no work on them, but double check every time.


      SETTING UP THE EXHAUST JIG AND USING IT TO REFERENCE THE MEASUREMENTS LISTED ABOVE.

      Insert two studs into lower holes that are used to affix exhaust manifold, one stud either end of head.
      (in my case head was cut so i used to holes near each other, you wont have that problem!)

      From the side of this stud mark a line 30mm up, this is your datum line for setting the jig and also the mid-way position of port mouth.

      Please note the jig must be setup on port two, port one being at the belt end.

      Scribe line at port centres as done on the intake side.

      Insert the two stems into guides from the bottom up, MAKE SURE the red marks indicating when the hole is pointing straight out, parallel to each other.
      This time you must set studs 12mm back from face of head.
      You could do this a number of ways I guess but this is the handiest I think using parts on hand.
      Perhaps tape on a rebated block to head face to ensure they stay exactly 12mm back, I set them once and they dident move afterwards. You just need to make sure they are 100%, easy.

      Insert wires into holes, and place strip on top, remember its the longer wire thats goes on the right.

      Soldier or glue, put a red mark on the left hand end of jig.

      Place in vice and cut at approx angle as show taking into account where the red mark is in the picture, cut must be exactly on the centre of strip, cut down to to port width mark.

      Cut out the little triangular piece, do this both ends, be careful and make sure you dont bend wires.

      Should look like this when done.

      The purpose of cutting ends out at an angle is because jig has to be inverted for measuring ports 3 + 4.
      Ports 1 + 2 are mirror images of 3+4 so to save making two jigs these cuts at ends make it possible for the jig to be used on all four.
      If they weren't cut the strip wouldn't allow datum wires to enter port straight as the strip would be kicked on manifold face.
      See below, the angle cut allows jig wires to enter at correct angle, same as before, just make sure you keep it on your port centre line.

      An easy way of knowing if you have jig the correct way round is just check to see if red dot is pointing to centre of head and not towards the flywheel or belt ends.

      Thats it Guys, your now ready to take your measurements and start checking where the material can be taken out of, Im going to spend the next while filling in the co-ordinates so you can use them for reference.
      I still need to pick a safety margin, ill post safety margin too when I come up with one Im happy with.

      The jig is real easy make, describing how to make it actually took longer.
      Remember, make it as accurate as you can, after all its pretty basic but the measurements must be adhered to.




      Modified by chippievw at 8:29 AM 6-26-2009


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      06-25-2009 06:32 PM #15
      Chippie, you are the man. Seriously, after several years of looking around at DIY porting instructions this is the first one to offer concrete directions for taking measurements.

      So thorough and packed with goodness, should we ever meet I'll be buying the beer/whiskey/milk.


    16. 06-25-2009 08:58 PM #16
      I second the above statement.. great thread. Infact one of the most informative post I've read on Vortex to date.
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    17. 06-26-2009 07:56 AM #17
      @ Anson and jeebus, all i can say is wow, thanks for the comments, let me be the one to buy ye drinks for taking the time to read it all, im sure to many it seems pointless. Should have it all buttoned up this evening and most of the max dimensions filled in on the tables. Thanks again to all whos watching this and has took the time to comment.




      Modified by chippievw at 8:31 AM 6-26-2009


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      06-27-2009 09:52 PM #18
      OMFG!!!!
      Amazing! will be keeping a close eye on this one.Excellent work,very detailed,laid out professionally but done to be understood by any idiot!Lost for words.
      Your profile says cabinetmaker?
      If that is true,you must build some sick freakin cabinets--wanna come to the states?I could use some kitchen remodeling,and hell while you're here we can talk cylinderheads!


    19. 06-28-2009 06:42 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by deeeGLI »
      OMFG!!!!
      Amazing! will be keeping a close eye on this one.Excellent work,very detailed,laid out professionally but done to be understood by any idiot!Lost for words.
      Your profile says cabinetmaker?
      If that is true,you must build some sick freakin cabinets--wanna come to the states?I could use some kitchen remodeling,and hell while you're here we can talk cylinderheads!


      ya im a cabinetmaker originally, dont get much time at it anymore though, spend my time anymore stuck in engines, which is pretty much what i love doing
      Measures going up in the next hour or so, have them nearly all down now.
      ill list actual and theoretical possible sizes.

    20. 06-28-2009 12:08 PM #20
      Intake measurements up for anyone interested.

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      06-28-2009 04:56 PM #21
      Awww man.. you cut up one of the only remaining Harlequin 16v engines!! Very rare!!
      -Josh
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    22. 06-28-2009 05:06 PM #22
      edit, never mind me


      Modified by chippievw at 2:11 PM 6-28-2009

    23. 06-28-2009 05:08 PM #23
      Hmmmm? looking into ports the last 8 days has made me unable to make sense of your reply, but thanks anyway!!!
      (edit, i get it now )


      Modified by chippievw at 2:11 PM 6-28-2009

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      -Josh
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    25. 06-28-2009 11:10 PM #25
      Awesome.. following every post.
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    26. 07-01-2009 09:32 PM #26
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    27. 07-01-2009 10:11 PM #27
      I havent forgot, i have the exhausts all down on paper just to type them up, porsche is taking up precious time this weather but ill get on them tomorrow

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      07-01-2009 10:37 PM #28
      crazy irish...you rock.

      this post rocks

      i have my die-grinder in hand just waitin to stretch those ports, as soon as your done doin all the hard math for me

      great post, keep up the good work.


    29. 07-01-2009 11:02 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by leon whalen »
      crazy irish...you rock.

      this post rocks

      i have my die-grinder in hand just waitin to stretch those ports, as soon as your done doin all the hard math for me

      great post, keep up the good work.


      Its a great way of passing free time, as it rains here ALWAYS .
      Remember, these are not ideal port dimensions, there limits as to how far you go before making yourself a nice paper weight, many would be happy just knocking off the rough edges and smoothing around throat area.
      But having said that there a must for the guy that wants to take things farther, mind you come to think of it a 'basic good port'' shape could be roughly mapped too.......hmmmmmmmm.....but it would take experienced hands to make it all work..
      Glad your enjoying it, and YES i intend to keep it up

    30. 07-01-2009 11:11 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by chippievw »
      mind you come to think of it a 'basic good port'' shape could be roughly mapped too.......hmmmmmmmm.....but it would take experienced hands to make it all work..

      I'm interested in this... also, not sure what ideal is.. but a good port shape would be good to know.

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    31. 07-03-2009 12:39 AM #31
      Lots of information, little cheaper doing it this way versus a sonic checker ($1000-1500).

    32. 07-05-2009 11:57 PM #32
      Any progress on the exhaust side?
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      07-06-2009 12:47 AM #33
      very cool

      Edit: scratch that...posted before I saw the measurement work. A truly exeptional thread!! Fantastic work, thank you very much! Will be following this one closely


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      07-06-2009 08:21 AM #34
      Dude, with this kind of professional engineering, you'll certainly have a seat at a Formual 1 team designing engines..
      nice work

    35. 07-06-2009 11:43 AM #35
      Once again, thanks for the comments,@ chetvw007, that would be my life time dream, perhaps someday.. Im going to type up and post exhaust side in the morning, that'll be it done then. Ill also show how i made my callipers as the nearest shop that sells them is 30miles from me..


      Came across this on my travels:

      ''VW 16v head:
      The VW 16v head is a performance nightmare. I think VW introduced the
      head merely to say they had one, as they obviously didn't care about
      performance when they designed it. VW began design of the 16v head
      about 1980. It went through various metamorphasizing phases before
      it was released. On one version, the exhaust cam was gear driven,
      but VW ultimately chose chain drive because it was the quietest way
      to drive the exhaust cam. (The quietest way they would consider;
      they obviously chose not to allow the exhaust cam to be belt driven
      with the same timing belt as the intake cam...which would have been
      the quietest by far.) According to my sources, VW was planning to
      introduce the head as early as 1984-85, and some 80000 units were
      produced. Then it was discovered that some engineer forgot to design
      water in the casting around a pair of exhaust valves. Overheat =
      cracked head ==> junk 80000 castings <==> put the program back a
      couple of years.

      Before the head came out, rumors were circulating as to its design
      characteristics. All of us in the high performance business cringed
      at what we heard. We heard that VW had designed the head with the
      exhaust valves top dead center over the combustion chamber; the
      intake valves cocked over about 20 degrees. We said if that was true,
      the head was junk. We couldn't believe VW (read that ANYBODY) would
      introduce a high performance head with such awful flow characteristics.

      When I saw my first 16v head (off the motor), all my nightmares turned
      into reality. Actually, it was worse than I thought. The exhaust valves
      were top dead centre, but the exhaust ports exceeded a 90 degree bend
      to allow the gas to exit. This head was obviously not designed for
      performance. The valves spacing is too close together, thus putting
      in bigger valves would be near impossible. The only possibility of
      obtaining higher performance was porting and polishing.''


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