DSG/Mechatronic Failure Update

[VWRedux]

Should I submit one as well?

I bought my GTI with 42k (from my cousin). I had my clutch packs replaced (around) ~45 - 50k. (That was replaced under warranty). I had to have my MU replaced around 75k or so. I missed the 'cut off date' for the extended warranty only by 3 weeks. VWoA still wouldn't give it to me and even as much as I felt it was a total BS response they did take $1000 off my bill from the local dealership replacing it. It still costed me around $1600 when all said and done. My car drives great however I absolutely cringe every time the car shifts down, especially to 1st gear. SLAMS into it and that is not right. (edit - also reverse is terrible, sometimes it takes a few seconds to even just catch - going from P -> D is pretty rough and vice versa).

It does? ... Not by that description!

[Rangod]

did no one with a recall letter actually read it. vw states in the recall letter there is a bushing that prematurely wears out causing the flare/pusating of the transmission. on another note if you chip your car use vagcom to reset the learned parameters of the mu. basic settings 61 and 60 (at operating temp with you foot on the brake the entire time), run them twice key off in between and after, then run bs 67 which erases clutch adaptation to be learned anew.

[moltonboron]

It does? ... Not by that description!

Maybe I should have said when actually going through the gears in Drive (1 -> 6) its smooth. Slowing down / coming to a stop sucks sometimes

[ryangambrill]

My 2008 Jetta Wolfsburg is getting a new transmission as I type. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Currently 47k miles.

MU replaced at 20k miles.

Clutch packs replaced at 30k miles.

Still under original 4/50k warranty. VW extended warranty on transmission for 10/100k.

All seems good picked up the jetta today. Brand new DSG.

[VWGolf2Owner]

UPDATE ON MY JSW-TDI w/DSG

There was an ECM Software update to fix engine hesitation and lurching at low speed. That problem seems to be fixed.
UPDATE NUMBER: 23602599

Huge delay in the engagement of the DSG from a stop. There was a TSB for this specific issue dated on June 16, 2011. After my initial drive from the dealership to work --- this problem also appears to be fixed.
TSB NUMBER: 2011690/3 35-11-01



Hope this helps.

I need help. I came across this forum after googling the problems I am having with my VW Golf and found that soooo many others are having the same problems with the same symptoms (jerking when switching from gears 1-3 in low speed and sometimes not gearing up at all acting as if in neutral). So after the mechanic told me that my transmission has to be replaced I decided to ask him to do the above mentioned updates first. He searched the updates and did not find anything matching these numbers. My question now is whether these update numbers are universal? I live in Germany and according to him the TSB is an english code and that he needs a different code. He also connected the car to the computer for the hundredth time to show me that there are no updates available for my car. I really don't know anything about cars and I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me exactly how I am supposed to explain to the mechanic how to do these software updates, because it really seems like you guys know a whole lot than my VW mechanic! Thanks! PS. It's a VW Golf 2.0 FSI Comfort, Occasion (06/2005) and of course DSG and S-tronic Transmission

[VWRedux]

I need help. I came across this forum after googling the problems I am having with my VW Golf and found that soooo many others are having the same problems with the same symptoms (jerking when switching from gears 1-3 in low speed and sometimes not gearing up at all acting as if in neutral). So after the mechanic told me that my transmission has to be replaced I decided to ask him to do the above mentioned updates first. He searched the updates and did not find anything matching these numbers. My question now is whether these update numbers are universal? I live in Germany and according to him the TSB is an english code and that he needs a different code. He also connected the car to the computer for the hundredth time to show me that there are no updates available for my car. I really don't know anything about cars and I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me exactly how I am supposed to explain to the mechanic how to do these software updates, because it really seems like you guys know a whole lot than my VW mechanic! Thanks! PS. It's a VW Golf 2.0 FSI Comfort, Occasion (06/2005) and of course DSG and S-tronic Transmission

I believe Germany does not have the same consumer protection laws as the United States. You therefore have very little leverage to force them to try to fix your DSG by other means. They probably perform direct replacements rather than mess with the firmware. In a sense, I believe that this direct and aggressive approach works the best since no one has ever had their DSG totally repaired by such means. It almost always requires a Mechatronic Unit replacement or more. So don't worry that the German reaction to these DSG issues differ from that of VWoA. They rather save time & money by replacing faulted components rather than mess with the software.

You may wish to copy this DSG forum with topics that support your claims... Then send them off to VAG in a letter asking to be treated in the same way as their VWoA US customers.

Good Luck

[Jaxone]

I took mine apart and cleaned it. Changed the valves, put it back, flashed new software.
Installed on the car and seems to be ok for now.

Here a small video on assembling it again.

Re Assembling VW Mechatronic Unit - DSG DQ250 02E

[Hitman]

wow, i just did a search trying to find out what a mechatronic was, because my brand new 2012 GTI stopped rolling after exiting a highway...

reason? Failed Mechatronic.

3400 miles and seven weeks old.

good thing I have an "R" on order.

[stevestr]

Add me to the failed Mechatronic club.

2011 Golf TDI DSG - 14,200 on the Odometer

Today I got a flashing wrench alternating with the D in the center display. Car went to limp mode. Basically 2nd Gear - I couldn't go over 20 MPH before the tach was at 3K.

Here's what the "new" version of the PRNDL flashing is (I assume, the Owners Manual makes no mention of this condition but I definitely went into limp home mode when this came on):
http://youtu.be/3Qxg2Tuz76Q

Ran VCDS and have 3 Auto Trans errors.

18201 - Transmission Output Speed Sensor 2 (G196) - Intermittent No Signal
17106 - Transmission Output Speed Sensor (G195) - Intermittent No Signal
18115 - Interference in Mechatronic Module - Open Circuit Intermittent

Turning the car on and off reset the wrench but the car still shifts horribly and makes slight grinding noises.

Off to call VW Roadside to have the car towed Monday. Here we go.

[Hitman]

took over a week to get mine replaced. but the dealer was outstanding in their handling of it.

[tmiw]

I took mine apart and cleaned it. Changed the valves, put it back, flashed new software.
Installed on the car and seems to be ok for now.

Here a small video on assembling it again.

Re Assembling VW Mechatronic Unit - DSG DQ250 02E

Question: why are there tiny oil filters in the Mechtronics unit when it's not intended to be serviceable?

[Jaxone]

They are there to stop any impurities to get to the valves, the filters are not renewable, they are just some tiny simple plastic filters with very very small holes. So being plastic only they don't need to be changed.

[audiotron]

I did have a good expierence at the dealer. My 2006 has been jerking, on starting out, since day one. Every year I would bring it in and inquire about codes, TB's and software updates. I was always told no problems, no info. After a long trip where the car studdered at 70 mph and experiencing greatly increased jerking. I brought it in, this time the teck seemed to know all about it. I was only able to demonstrate the jerking to a modest level. He found a TB for 2006 which described the problem. The TB said to replace the temp/speed sensor. This was done. Teck test drove with no problems. I left and within 2 miles things were getting worse. So now its my first MU replacement.
The service manager drove the car and said it almost jerked into a parked car. I refused to drive the car anymore. (I am out of pocket for all repairs) So now we wait for the MU. The dealer actually GAVE me a loaner. The teck swears that new MU's are working fine and multiple replacements are a thing of the past. I this doesn't work then I say we must sue them. Six years VW has been dealing with this problem. 2006-2010. Some problems are showing up with the 2011's.
I wonder what the failure rate is. 20%?

[stevestr]

Mine was replaced relatively quickly - within two weeks. It wasn't the mechatronic but a sheared bushing in the transmission. Could have been caused by a failing mechatronic since that is the code VCDS was pulling. Bonus is that a new mechatronic was included with the transmission so I guess I did get a new one after all.

Whole tranny replaced on VWs dime and the car has been running great now.

Thank god this happened in warranty.

[stevestr]

I need help. I came across this forum after googling the problems I am having with my VW Golf and found that soooo many others are having the same problems with the same symptoms (jerking when switching from gears 1-3 in low speed and sometimes not gearing up at all acting as if in neutral). So after the mechanic told me that my transmission has to be replaced I decided to ask him to do the above mentioned updates first. He searched the updates and did not find anything matching these numbers. My question now is whether these update numbers are universal? I live in Germany and according to him the TSB is an english code and that he needs a different code. He also connected the car to the computer for the hundredth time to show me that there are no updates available for my car. I really don't know anything about cars and I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me exactly how I am supposed to explain to the mechanic how to do these software updates, because it really seems like you guys know a whole lot than my VW mechanic! Thanks! PS. It's a VW Golf 2.0 FSI Comfort, Occasion (06/2005) and of course DSG and S-tronic Transmission

The most recent USA memo to dealers only covers 2010-2012 model years but it may be a starting point for you:

I'm afraid I only have the USA numbers and VW will probably say the update is restricted to vehicles sold for delivery to USA but here is the most recent:

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/forum/f...eleased-10851/

(Yes, it is a diesel forum but the update is not restricted to diesel models only.)

There is a discussion and an actual copy of the dealer release. There is also discussion that the update is being rolled out in waves so that may be why the computer is saying it does not apply to your car.

I hope this helps somewhat.

[stevestr]

For reference here is the repair order for my fix:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...hl=en_US&pli=1

[audiotron]

Because of this website I discovered all the stuff: That there is a NHTSA data base where people enter their safety concerns (yall know this) Well anyway I looked up Jetta for years 2006 to 2012. Under Power Train Automatic Transmissions I find people report the standard issues. There are at 4 specific DSG subcategories discernible. Jerk or Jerk Jerk from a stop. False neutral's, Hesitation on power, not listed _ hesitation from 0 when parked facing downhill.

Picked up car today and folks I am here to say this is Fahrvergnugen! Throttle response better, down shifts earlier, a real driving machine AND no jerks. I can't say enough about the dealer everyone was on the ball. Got new MT ordered and installed in five days from Germany. Tech knowledgeable and carefull.

[moltonboron]

Ffffuuuu... Have had my replaced MU in the car for only 10,000 miles and I had the PNDRS flashing of death on Christmas... I really hope there is not something wrong with this again. I can't afford it be fixed AGAIN.

[VWRedux]

A close friend just told me her roommate's EOS needs a new DSG. She claims that it "Didn't want to do what she said!" I asked her to be more specific? "She tried to get it up her driveway and into the garage but it wouldn't go up! VW came and towed her car back to the repair shop."

It should be mentioned that this is a rather steep driveway. I asked if it was covered under warranty but she didn't know. The saga continues... BTW, the car only has 51,000+ miles.

[ryangambrill]

2008 Wolfs with DSG & 2.0T

VW extended my transmission warranty to 10/100k.

MU replaced at 19k miles
Clutch Packs Replaced @ 29k miles
Trans replaced @ 50k miles

Feels like lunching has returned. Especially from a stop.

Has VW offered anyone "incentive" cash to help with purchase of new VW being that the DSG experience has been so bad?