The genesis of ARI's Build

[TheyCallMeARI]

ARI's Build thread 2001 Audi S4

haha some previous wheels and Future converted RS'

Lemme start off by saying, No this is not my first post on VWvortex haha i just decided that with some new additions of cars in my garage i couldn't be so discriminatory, so i wanted to make a new name.
Well here it goes, this car has been with me for a long time, since about 2004. Only minor modifications have been done, but nothing to such great expense and extent. Well I am getting older and finances come and go so I wanted to step up my game.

Mechanical ehh ill leave it how it is for right now, but lets focus on exterior and appearance from the beginning, since we have a show (H2o) coming up in a few months that im sure everyone is excited for, and since its gonna be my first time i kind of wanna make a good impression for myself. So appearance will come first as of now, and then over winter the engine will be pulled for some bigger stuff

I have been looking over the thread and noticing that b5's are getting some new spunk in there lives, breaking the rules and pulling out new ideas and tricks. Props to Jesster and DasEighty.

I like Jessters quote " It gets old to see RS4 reps, coils, and ecodes (nothing wrong at all with that... just want to do something different"

Well im gonna agree with him about that and gonna try to change some things up not tooo much though. Lets start off with wheels, I know everyone on Vortex hates on RS' and that everyone has them, but the truth is that in the Audi world NObody runs them...well maybe i've seen one or two of them, but I don't even know if they are real.
Lets change that... not only am i gonna run RS' but im gonna rub them the right way and throw on some 18" BBS RS'
Ordered them along time ago.. supposedly the first person in the US to order them from JustMatz weird...

18x8.5 in the front
18x10 in the rear

Some pics from the get go to make everyone happy.

Please don't look at the centers.. they are still waiting for me to decide what to do with them... painting a light silver or chroming... Im thinking the light silver, since too much chrome on a black car might look to blingin...
-New chrome bolts, Chrome BBS caps have come in..
-Ordering tires this week, then once everything is built, gonna have to play with my fenders to make em fit nice.

Modified by TheyCallMeARI at 8:04 PM 9-15-2009

[goody6691]

lovely, wheel whore much?

cant wait to see the finished product.

[HOVTroll]

Quote, originally posted by goody6691 »

lovely, wheel whore much? cant wait to see the finished product.

Ari nice classic wheel choice.. I guess I am going to look for another wheel setup since it seems these are becoming more popular on B5's.. Cant wait to see what they end up being.

Good luck..

[idwurks]

18s?

[TheyCallMeARI]

Quote, originally posted by idwurks »

18s?

Yesss siirr!!!

DowSkeet- Im not sure by you but nobody in my area or surrounding states is running RS' on there b5... but i would like to see what your gonna run

- UPDATE
dropped the RS' centers off to be painted today.. Light metallic silver should have at least two of the wheels put together this weekend and im gonna be ordering tires as well by the end of the week...
i am thinking 225 in the rear and 205 in the front what do you guys think... I wasn't really a fan of stretching before, but i kind of have been seduced into it.

[TimKouch]

gonna have to do your math so you don't mess up your awd.

its nice to see rs's done diffrent

[HOVTroll]

Quote, originally posted by TheyCallMeARI »

DowSkeet- Im not sure by you but nobody in my area or surrounding states is running RS' on there b5... but i would like to see what your gonna run

I am going to have to think about my wheel choices again.. I have seen a few not many that are running RS's.. They will look awesome Ari.

[Deebo16]

Looks nice. Can't wait to see what it looks like.

[NYEuroTuner]

Sick.

[TheyCallMeARI]

thank thanks... arghhhh i hate waiting..centers should be done soon... and im still searching for tires, then i can have a feel of how wide i need to pull the fenders.

any suggestions on tires. im thinking either toyo, bfgoodrich, or falken...

[NYEuroTuner]

Quote, originally posted by TheyCallMeARI »

thank thanks... arghhhh i hate waiting..centers should be done soon... and im still searching for tires, then i can have a feel of how wide i need to pull the fenders. any suggestions on tires. im thinking either toyo, bfgoodrich, or falken...

I've always been very happy with Toyo, but I also hear good things about BF Goodrich. I dont know anything about falken.

Once I bought Toyo I was hooked, great grip, good durability, and the tires looks amazing no matter how much abuse I put them through.

Had toyo on my B5 Passat stage 3, then when I bought my Audi, toyo again, and its great.

Just my 2 cents.

[idwurks]

Quote, originally posted by TimKouch »

gonna have to do your math so you don't mess up your awd. its nice to see rs's done diffrent

Oh who cares I doubt you'd even notice driving characteristics change with staggered unless you are tracking the car. Not everyone cares about that

On tires, I wouldn't go Falken unless you want mileage out of them. The 912 is a great quiet tire that has a 40k warranty and grips decently. But Toyo is also a great tire, maybe a Proxes 4 or T1R?

Id also consider the Direzza. Lots of people stretch those and love em.

Modified by idwurks at 11:38 PM 7-9-2009

[BrothersinArms]

Quote, originally posted by TimKouch »

gonna have to do your math so you don't mess up your awd.

Quote, originally posted by idwurks »

Oh who cares I doubt you'd even notice driving characteristics change with staggered unless you are tracking the car. Not everyone cares about that

to quote someone much smarter ont he subject than I....

Running a wider rear tire will make the car UNDERSTEER more.

If you want to make a car that already understeer's very bad, even worse, then stagger away.

With respect to the TORSEN, all it cares about is rolling diameter, not width. So as long as your front and rear tire combinations are within a relatively close percentage to each other in terms of rolling diameter, than you are fine.

Unlike a Viscous center, changing rolling diameter will not affect static bias in the center differential. Since the Torsen has no "static" bias ratio like a Visous center does. The mismatched ratios just mean that one end is spinning more than the other, which I'm sure is a wear issue in the Torsen more than anything else.

[idwurks]

who/What is Torsen?

[TheyCallMeARI]

Quote, originally posted by BrothersinArms »

With respect to the TORSEN, all it cares about is rolling diameter, not width. So as long as your front and rear tire combinations are within a relatively close percentage to each other in terms of rolling diameter, than you are fine.

Yeah this is my thought exactly.. I could not figure why people think width would change and screw up the diff drastically... as long as they are the same rolling diameter then everything should be the same.. BUT a slight weight change might have some affect... ehhh whatever.. some wheels are for show and others for the track. ill just have to switch it up

[BrothersinArms]

Quote, originally posted by idwurks »

who/What is Torsen?

It's the type of LSD that Audi uses in Quattro...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsen

[BrothersinArms]

Quote, originally posted by TheyCallMeARI »

Yeah this is my thought exactly.. I could not figure why people think width would change and screw up the diff drastically... as long as they are the same rolling diameter then everything should be the same.. BUT a slight weight change might have some affect... ehhh whatever.. some wheels are for show and others for the track. ill just have to switch it up

I think I have read that under 5% difference the quattro will be within audi spec still, above that and the system will work, though you might start to accelerate wear

[NYEuroTuner]

Any Updates?

[TheyCallMeARI]

yes... gonna post pics up tomorrow, today i finally got 2 centers back from paint.... I bolted and sealed two wheels.... ordering tires probably tomorrow. and then body work will start once a front and a rear tire is bolted on... gotta see how much my shop needs to pull

[TheyCallMeARI]

Alright guys well here is a little update...

Test fitting before the centers were painted



alot of POKE... gonna need the fenders widened alot

Then after paint.. I picked a very bright metallic silver

Can you find the two old ones?

Time to assemble these bad boys


shiny bolts make me happy

Big Gap, way different then the sealing normal 17s

I didn't go with the Toyota Seal, because it is super expensive over here at my Toyota Dealership. They wanted 49$ for two tubes.. and i don't even think that would be enough since i had alot to seal.
I went with my dads contractor experience and sealed them with VULKEM 116... this stuff is hard to come by, Home Depot & Menard's don't even sell it... It is only found in specialty stores. My dad says its the strongest and most durable sealant. Takes 2-3 days to dry completely.





mmmm What a nice finish... caulked and pressed diagonally on both gaps, then with my pinky applied pressure and spun the wheel, lubricating with soapy water occasionally.

Should be decided on tires very soon

At the end of the day just felt like taking a huge DU*P on my big dish

JK

[TimKouch]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...age=2
^tire info inside^

so whats the specs on these custom rs's?
they look like 17in or 16in centers with custom lips. the rear dish looks real deep.

[hexagone]

holy mexi-poke!

[TheyCallMeARI]

Quote, originally posted by TimKouch »

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...age=2 ^tire info inside^ so whats the specs on these custom rs's? they look like 17in or 16in centers with custom lips. the rear dish looks real deep.

thanks for the tire info... good stuff... the centers are from 17" BBS RS' RS300 & RS299 originally et45 and et53.

and i believe the final specs on my wheels came out to be: (+ the .5" center)
1.25 lip and 7 inch barrel =8.25
3.75 lip and 6 inch barrel = 9.75

Quote, originally posted by hexagone »

holy mexi-poke!

i know FECKKSS ,, but body work and alot of widening will make it work

[ban eighty]

Saw your pm, I was overseas and had no time to answer. Still have any questions? These wheels look great!

[hexagone]

Quote, originally posted by TheyCallMeARI »

i know FECKKSS ,, but body work and alot of widening will make it work

haha, get ready to throw down mad cash

[bronz]

i think ive seen you at energy or mission. werent you a dj like 3-4 years ago?

[gunch]

wow, cant wait to see hows those wheels will look!

[TheyCallMeARI]

Quote, originally posted by hexagone »

haha, get ready to throw down mad cash

yeah i know its gonna be a wallet buster, but I already went shopping around and found a guy that knows what hes doing and gonna be quoting me by the end of the week. Kind of word of mouth hook up so hopefully it wont be too bad...

Quote, originally posted by bronz »

i think ive seen you at energy or mission. werent you a dj like 3-4 years ago?

haha yeah you prolly saw me at both places haha i haven't been there for a couple years though, i kind of tend to stay away from teen clubs.. i still spin once in a while but mostly the 21+ clubs/cafes..

[glimark]

haha so this is the thread you told me about....you think after class tomorrow will go pick up the other faces from Mark?

[hexagone]

what spec did you torque them down to?

[TheyCallMeARI]

Quote, originally posted by glimark »

haha so this is the thread you told me about....you think after class tomorrow will go pick up the other faces from Mark?

LOL well its coming along slowly, yeah possibly we can get the faces and put the other two wheels together and seal them... And i think im ready for tires.. I think im gonna go with Falken 452s 225/40 rear 215/40 front.

Quote, originally posted by hexagone »

what spec did you torque them down to?

BBS RS bolt torque is 22-25 lb/ft

[TheyCallMeARI]

alright im gonna run 225/40/18 rear and 215/40/18 front....
well now BFgoodrich G-Sports or any of the Falkens? maybe 452s?

[idwurks]

Sickkkk. Everything is looking great! Love the step up lips.

[kish0000]

awesome looking, i wanted to do some custom RS's but never had the cash to do so. i am definitely envious

[TheyCallMeARI]

Heres a little update.. im still waiting for two of the centers to get painted.. they should be ready today or monday.. then the other two wheels will be put together... I purchased both of the 225's for the rear and ordered two 215's for the front.. theyw ill be here on tuesday or wednesday... but i was a little curious of how much i would stretch and how to do it...
so here is the rear 10' with the Flaken 512 225/40/18




Well then after about 5 tries with starter fluid and fire and no success i had to go to the store and get some more starter fluid....
when i came back i walked in to the sound of an air compressor and the "PING"
My dad took a swing at it, even though he thinks stretching tires is stupid... he did his own SAFE WAY... haha he took industrial zip ties, linked them together around the middle groove of the tire and with a cordless powerdrill started to tigthen.. The middle of the tire pressed down and the sides to flare out. Then with all the sides sealed he shot air into the wheel through the valve and the sidewalls expanded onto the wheel... Cut the zip tie and done..

The tire stretched right before the zip tie broke.





Modified by TheyCallMeARI at 1:02 AM 7-26-2009