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    1. 08-12-2009 02:58 PM #106
      Quote, originally posted by MK4Jetta »
      love the additions to this thread! I have PM'ed a few guys on here and never heard back regarding their jsw's so I'll go ahead and post up here. Im curious to know if I will need to buy GLI specific xenon headlights to swap on the jsw? If so people still recommending oemplus? I used to buy all my euro parts from them but its been a few years out of the dub scene for me.

      the headlights are all the same size for the mkv's. Yes oempl.us is still or you can check out http://www.tmtuning.com

      and just fyi i believe there's a replica version of the oem projector headlights that look almost the same for half the price of the oems.


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      08-12-2009 03:56 PM #107

      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »

      the headlights are all the same size for the mkv's. Yes oempl.us is still or you can check out http://www.tmtuning.com

      and just fyi i believe there's a replica version of the oem projector headlights that look almost the same for half the price of the oems.

      This is what you're looking for:

      http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/c...=1707

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      08-12-2009 08:55 PM #108
      Quote, originally posted by Kid Hobo »

      This is what you're looking for:

      http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/c...=1707


      This is what I'm leaning towards, just drop in a HID kit and you got xenons , no xenon highbeam but who really cares unless you live in the sticks
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    4. 08-13-2009 01:16 AM #109
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »

      This is what I'm leaning towards, just drop in a HID kit and you got xenons , no xenon highbeam but who really cares unless you live in the sticks

      the oem ones don't have xenon high-beams do they?


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      08-13-2009 06:41 AM #110
      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »
      the oem ones don't have xenon high-beams do they?

      the bi-xenon lights do.. but the inner highbeams are still halogen.

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      08-13-2009 06:43 AM #111
      Quote, originally posted by ntristi »
      can we see this illuminated?

      as I said.. I'll get around to it

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      08-13-2009 07:56 AM #112
      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »

      the oem ones don't have xenon high-beams do they?


      They have a shutter system. For high-beams the shutter adjusts to open more of the xenon beam. The halogen bulb next to it is used for flash to pass purposes only.

      With the look alikes I don't think there is a shutter and they high-beam and flash to pass both come from the inner halogen bulbs.

      I'm not 100% but from a cost saving perspective this is a major area where a company would save money to produce these headlights.

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    8. 08-13-2009 09:27 AM #113
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »

      This is what I'm leaning towards, just drop in a HID kit and you got xenons , no xenon highbeam but who really cares unless you live in the sticks

      Well in the past when I had both my mk4 jetta and gti I was a sucker for having OEM parts as much as possible. Only because I know where and who really makes them.

      And I live in Charlotte, NC so I often find myself driving through "rural" aka the sticks so that does affect me actually


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      08-13-2009 07:32 PM #114
      Finally i see a nice thread
      im running jsw se

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      08-13-2009 08:39 PM #115
      Quote, originally posted by TwinkleToez »

      Well in the past when I had both my mk4 jetta and gti I was a sucker for having OEM parts as much as possible. Only because I know where and who really makes them.

      And I live in Charlotte, NC so I often find myself driving through "rural" aka the sticks so that does affect me actually


      I prefer OEM as well, but at $1,800 I'm not so sure, but we'll see. My problem is I got a set of brand new BMW 3 series euro adaptive bi-xenon headlights for $1,600 and I can't find VW US specs at that for less then $1,700 which is baffling to me.

      No offense to VW but the BMW's lights go up and down and turn left and right, yet are cheaper . Explain that one to me. Hell they even have bad ass angel eyes and still CHEAPER

      I've been learning that some VW parts are hella overpriced and I crossed over from the BMW crowd

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      08-14-2009 12:36 AM #116
      Quote, originally posted by TwinkleToez »
      Well in the past when I had both my mk4 jetta and gti I was a sucker for having OEM parts as much as possible. Only because I know where and who really makes them.

      you know that Hella has been the OEM manufacturer for most VW lighting until recently right (not to mention they are the OEM manufacturer for a large number of other companies)? They make some of the best lenses out there and I would not hesitate to buy Hella lights for my car

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      08-14-2009 01:21 AM #117
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »

      I prefer OEM as well, but at $1,800 I'm not so sure, but we'll see. My problem is I got a set of brand new BMW 3 series euro adaptive bi-xenon headlights for $1,600 and I can't find VW US specs at that for less then $1,700 which is baffling to me.

      No offense to VW but the BMW's lights go up and down and turn left and right, yet are cheaper . Explain that one to me. Hell they even have bad ass angel eyes and still CHEAPER

      I've been learning that some VW parts are hella overpriced and I crossed over from the BMW crowd

      Where have you been looking???

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volks...40951/


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      08-14-2009 07:58 AM #118
      Quote, originally posted by DUSlider »

      Where have you been looking???

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volks...40951/

      I want euro spec. haha. But not at $1895, I don't.

      So yes I can find US for cheaper but I don't particularly want those. My rant still holds water in the euro spec area of things . BMW is still cheaper

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      08-14-2009 08:01 AM #119
      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »
      and have you checked out the gorrilla gear for the trunk at the dealerships? (stuff's expensive but good quality)

      My car had the gorrilla mats. You know, this is one of those 'options' I never would have paid for, but I bought my car off the lot and it had the mats already, so I figured 'what the heck'. ... They really are great.

      My dog is probably a little small for the cargo area:

      Quote, originally posted by NoVaSpeed »
      I humbly add my nearly stock 2.0t Sportwagen to this collection of incredibly well-modified wagons. Only addition is the projector fogs, which required the installation of the highline CECM.

      Very nice. I am right behind you on the projector fog mod. I have secured a 2nd hand set of fog grills and have a lead on the CECM. .. Where'd you source the fog lamps? I'm tempted by the uber-cheapo knock offs on ebay from China.


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      08-14-2009 08:16 AM #120
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »

      I want euro spec. haha. But not at $1895, I don't.

      So yes I can find US for cheaper but I don't particularly want those. My rant still holds water in the euro spec area of things . BMW is still cheaper

      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »
      I can't find VW US specs at that for less then $1,700 which is baffling to me.

      What is better about the Euro spec for $600 more?


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      08-14-2009 09:35 AM #121
      Quote, originally posted by nhbubba »

      Where'd you source the fog lamps? I'm tempted by the uber-cheapo knock offs on ebay from China.

      I ponied up and bought the whole package (grills and all) from OEMPL.US. I figured it was cheap compared to what dealers were charging (if they would do it at all). Plus, the dealer install is ghetto--using relays instead of highline CECM implant and no projector lights.


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      08-14-2009 10:01 AM #122
      pardon my ignorance -- highline CECM implant?

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      08-14-2009 10:33 AM #123
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      pardon my ignorance -- highline CECM implant?

      There are three different types of electronic control modules that VW puts in its MKVs--lowline, midline and highline. These are the "brains" of the car and operate such things as the MFD, windows, etc. On new VWs, only the GLIs and GTIs have the highline central electronic control module (CECM). So, to have fog lights properly installed, you would need to install the highline CECM. There are DIYs and more detailed explanations on the FAQ/DIY page: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154


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      08-14-2009 03:03 PM #124
      or you could just install using a relay harness.. it's just a little cheaper
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      08-14-2009 03:27 PM #125
      as promised.. here's some photos of my dirty car with the rear fog illuminated.

      note, the light looks a lot more red in-person.. and it's blindingly bright at night when you're right behind the car.

      the rear fog light in the cluster:

      and a shot of the front..

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      08-14-2009 03:32 PM #126

      nice!

      Did you need to install the highline CECM for this, or did you car already have the highline CECM in it?


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      08-14-2009 06:20 PM #128
      Quote, originally posted by blacksportwagen »

      Did you need to install the highline CECM for this, or did you car already have the highline CECM in it?

      None of the JSWs have the highline CECM--onyl the midline CECM. GTI and GLIs have the highline CECM, since they come with fogs from the factory.


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      08-14-2009 08:36 PM #129
      So then did you swap out your CECM, or does this work with the midline CECM?

    25. 08-15-2009 12:33 AM #130
      Someone on the last page linked a pic of my car.

      FWIW, I'm putting the stock front grille setup back on it this weekend so if anyone wants to buy the GLI stuff (undrilled fwiw), shoot me a PM. I like the look but I'm never going to get around to dropping the $300+ to do foglights to complete the look.

      There are some great looking cars in this thread. I'd like to get some better ones of mine when it's clean.


      Modified by Blue91 at 10:03 PM 8-14-2009


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      08-15-2009 03:47 AM #131
      Quote, originally posted by blacksportwagen »
      did you need to install the highline CECM for this, or did you car already have the highline CECM in it?

      it still has the midline cecm. The highline cecm is not required to get the rear fog working.. and the front fogs are installed using a relay harness, as mentioned earlier in this thread

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      08-15-2009 07:38 AM #132
      Quote, originally posted by DUSlider »

      What is better about the Euro spec for $600 more?


      The beam pattern is a larger area and illuminates more or the viewing area that a driver wants/should see.

      See this illustration...

      The euro beam spread upwards more to the right to illuminate more off to the side of the road(to better show deer, people, etc. possibly coming into the road), and the beam to the left is flat as to not blind on coming traffic. It the scoops to the bottom to better show the road. If you have fog lights the 2 bottom corners can be illuminated since the headlights shouldn't cover that area anyways, so all you're really losing is the small area in the upper left that blinds people.


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      08-15-2009 07:43 AM #133
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      European Lighting

      Driving at night is only as safe as the distance you can see in front of the car. More light projected further down the road where you need it is exactly the advantage a European beam offers over the dated North American beam pattern.

      European headlights offer a drastic improvement in beam pattern and brightness of the headlight. They reflect a much crisper defined beam of light down on the road, even without increased bulb wattage.

      For off road use only in select areas, please check your local laws.

      As explained by ECS Tuning on their site. The figure above is also theirs.
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      08-15-2009 08:39 AM #134
      Quote, originally posted by rootrider »

      and a shot of the front..


      Is that a plasti dipped front end? Either way, looks good.

      Edit; nvmd, Joel... I just found your other thread. Nice work.


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    30. 08-15-2009 11:25 AM #135
      Quote, originally posted by NoVaSpeed »

      None of the JSWs have the highline CECM--onyl the midline CECM.

      What if you have the fog light option installed at the factory/port? Not that I do, just curious.


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      08-15-2009 03:17 PM #136
      Quote, originally posted by SilverRubicon »

      What if you have the fog light option installed at the factory/port? Not that I do, just curious.

      I'm guessing that the factory/port option would use the same process as the dealer installation, so no new CECM. I've seen the official VW dealer fog install instructions and it involves a relay that taps into the high-beam wire so the fogs go out when the brights are on. Not a pretty setup, but functional. With the highline CECM, the control module shuts off the fogs when the brights are on (or you can turn this feature off with VAG-Com so the brights and fogs run, though this is illegal in some states). Also, with the highline CECM, your computer tells you when a fog light is out.


      Modified by NoVaSpeed at 12:56 PM 8-15-2009


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      08-17-2009 01:45 AM #137
      anyone running on h&r springs?????

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      08-17-2009 10:34 AM #138
      Quote, originally posted by rumcajs666 »
      anyone running on h&r springs?????

      This guy

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    34. 08-17-2009 10:52 AM #139
      FWIW, I'm running Neuspeed sports that came off of a 05.5 sedan and the car sits fine. The install is easy too.

    35. 08-18-2009 05:48 PM #140
      Awesome sportwagens.

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