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    1. Geriatric Member rootrider's Avatar
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      08-19-2009 06:06 PM #141
      Quote, originally posted by SilverRubicon »
      What if you have the fog light option installed at the factory/port? Not that I do, just curious.

      there is no such thing as 'factory-installed fog lights' on US SportWagens.. only dealer-installed. The dealer installation is a relay harness that shuts the fogs off when the high beams are on, like how NoVaSpeed described. Of course, the dealers will charge for both labor & parts on the installation.

      I went with the ECS relay harness.. they also sell full kits with the grilles and projector fogs, etc. for a pretty good price. It took me a couple hours to install on my wagon.. not too bad and it works just fine. No one will know or care that you didn't install a highline CECM with your fog lights.

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      08-19-2009 06:09 PM #142
      Quote, originally posted by Kid Hobo »
      Is that a plasti dipped front end? Either way, looks good.

      Edit; nvmd, Joel... I just found your other thread. Nice work.

      just so it's covered in this thread.. it was a new grille that arrived primered. The previous owner of the grille painted it flat black. I received it and resprayed it to cover up any rock chips. The lower trim piece has so far just had plasti-dip sprayed onto it without any prep.. and it's held up for the last month or so. If it chips or falls off I'll just prep and it paint it correctly

      obviously the fog grilles came just as they look.. but I've had people ask me about those, so I thought I'd point this out here as well.

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      08-20-2009 07:07 PM #143
      Do any of you guys with DSG have paddle shifter on their steering wheel stock from the factory???

      I have DSG and no paddles came on my wheel. Just wondering if they were an option or weren't included on the Sportwagen

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    4. 08-20-2009 08:31 PM #144
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »
      Do any of you guys with DSG have paddle shifter on their steering wheel stock from the factory???

      I have DSG and no paddles came on my wheel. Just wondering if they were an option or weren't included on the Sportwagen

      They're not included. GTI / GLI only.


    5. 08-20-2009 09:43 PM #145
      I'll be installing them soon though, fwiw.

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      08-20-2009 11:11 PM #146
      electric problem in my wagon, anyone had it before????
      both of rear doors dont open or close
      have to close from inside and open from inside?????

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      08-20-2009 11:16 PM #147
      just installed grill eye lids hids exhaust
      still waiting for service at 10k
      after that springs and wheels

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      08-21-2009 03:00 AM #148
      Why would you install HID's in non projector headlamps? They're not designed to work properly without them.

    9. 08-21-2009 06:37 AM #149
      Quote, originally posted by NoVaSpeed »
      There are three different types of electronic control modules that VW puts in its MKVs--lowline, midline and highline. These are the "brains" of the car and operate such things as the MFD, windows, etc. On new VWs, only the GLIs and GTIs have the highline central electronic control module (CECM). So, to have fog lights properly installed, you would need to install the highline CECM. There are DIYs and more detailed explanations on the FAQ/DIY page: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154

      I'm pretty sure my JSW has the highline display, at least the layout of the MFD matches the highline in the owner's manual.

      Quote, originally posted by Rev Jerry »
      Why would you install HID's in non projector headlamps? They're not designed to work properly without them.

      Not to mention is probably illegal and completely rude/dangerous to other drivers...

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      08-21-2009 07:51 AM #150
      Quote, originally posted by CraziFuzzy »
      I'm pretty sure my JSW has the highline display, at least the layout of the MFD matches the highline in the owner's manual.

      the TDI wagons have the highline MFD's, but not the highline CECM.


      Modified by rootrider at 4:53 AM 8-21-2009

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      08-21-2009 09:40 AM #151
      Quote, originally posted by rootrider »

      the TDI wagons have the highline MFD's, but not the highline CECM.

      Yup. I initially thought I had the highline CECM (since I had the highline MFD) and found out the hard way after ordering the OEM-style fogs, thinking it would be a simple plug and play. After checking the part number on my CECM under the dash, I realized it was the midline version and had to pony up for the highline CECM.


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      08-21-2009 11:21 AM #152
      I wanted to put this out there for my sportwagen brotheren.....

      I had to purchase a set of 17'' Avignon's because my briliant wife smashed both passenger rims on a curb a week after we bought the car haha.

      Anyways I kept my eye out and ended up finding a decent deal on a set of 4, no tires. I obviously only really need 2, maybe 3, of the 4 I bought.

      So I guess this is a 2 part post.

      1. Has anyone found out if we can fit a full size spare in our spare compartment? It's been too hot out for me to test fit haha.

      2. Would anyone be interested in purchasing a spare Avignon when I'm all said and done swapping out my scraped rims? I'll likely have 1-2 near mint condition rims, 1 with a decent rash measuring 1-2'' and 1 with a MAJOR rash about 4'' in length and 1/2'' wide(she got the front rim good doing about 40 mph into a curb, lucky she didn't break a control arm or anything). I'm thinking around $200+shipping for the mints, $100+shipping for the better of the 2 damaged rims and $75 or so for the worst.

      Let me know. I hope to swap the rims out soon.


      Modified by darkcloud17 at 11:23 AM 8-21-2009

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    13. 08-21-2009 12:36 PM #153
      I don't know for sure, but I'd guess a full size spare won't fit with our cars due to the space under the "false floor". It might fit, but that area would be taken up and the covering of the spare wouldn't sit right, etc.

      Just my uneducated thoughts about it. Something to consider though. I know I sure liked my full-size spare in my 06 TDI.


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      08-21-2009 02:21 PM #154
      Quote, originally posted by CraziFuzzy »

      Not to mention is probably illegal and completely rude/dangerous to other drivers...

      I thought the same thing but they work really good, they dont blind uncoming traffic or shine into the rear window of cars.

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      08-21-2009 03:00 PM #155
      Quote, originally posted by give_it_to_dem »

      I thought the same thing but they work really good, they dont blind uncoming traffic or shine into the rear window of cars.

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      08-21-2009 03:49 PM #156
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »
      1. Has anyone found out if we can fit a full size spare in our spare compartment? It's been too hot out for me to test fit haha.

      I have not tried either, but I am going to guess that yes, you can fit a 17" Avignon clad with near-factory sized rubber in there. The spare is a 205/55R16 vs the 225/45R17 factory rubber. 225mm vs 205mm, or 8.86" vs 8.07", less than an inch. Worst case I think the carpet under the false floor will be a little higher than normal.

      The factory spare is 'full-size' in my book as it is a regular, highway-worthy tire. It is not a donut/temporary spare. It is just mounted on an el-cheapo steelie.


      Modified by nhbubba at 1:03 PM 8-21-2009


    17. 08-21-2009 04:20 PM #157
      That is true with the non JSW, but the JSW has a smaller than normal spare. My car came with 16" wheels stock, with 205/55 tires. The spare is not a 205/55 in the JSW. It was with my 06 TDI (making it a full-size spare). It is more of a donut on the JSW. I'll verify the size this weekend.

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      08-21-2009 06:06 PM #158
      ill make a pic during the night so you can see how the hids work, everyone has projectors, i dont feel like taking of the bumper.


      anyways anybody had or have that problem with the central locking???
      both of rear doors dont open or close through the remote


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      08-21-2009 10:18 PM #159
      Everyone has projectors because HID's are designed to work with projectors. Those drop in kits direct less light onto the road than a normal halogen bulb. The light scatters everywhere instead of being focused where it's supposed to be.

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      08-21-2009 11:07 PM #160
      Quote, originally posted by Rev Jerry »
      Everyone has projectors because HID's are designed to work with projectors. Those drop in kits direct less light onto the road than a normal halogen bulb. The light scatters everywhere instead of being focused where it's supposed to be.

      x2 Good reading on Daniel Stern's Site http://www.danielsternlighting....html


    21. 08-21-2009 11:22 PM #161
      i'm 99% sure it can fit a full size spare. I fit a 18" huff wheel with tire in my friend's gti. Also if you had factory 18" wheels and blew a tire you'd have to fit it where the spare goes when you swap for the spare.

      and you should take your car to the dealership if you cant open your doors, you dont want it to maybe get worse and have all doors not open


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      08-22-2009 01:52 AM #162
      x3 your wrong the light is right on point
      its not all over ill get u the pics
      waste of money for projectors thats what i can say

    23. 08-22-2009 02:50 AM #163
      Quote, originally posted by rumcajs666 »
      x3 your wrong the light is right on point
      its not all over ill get u the pics
      waste of money for projectors thats what i can say

      hey as long as your happy with it, it doesn't really matter what anybody else says


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      08-22-2009 03:27 AM #164
      Unfortunately oncoming traffic will be to differ

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      08-22-2009 04:17 AM #165
      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »
      hey as long as your happy with it, it doesn't really matter what anybody else says

      ever heard of glare?
      there's a reason it's illegal.. it affects other people. You're not free to do whatever you want if it negatively affects someone else.

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      08-22-2009 11:24 AM #166
      Well I put one of my spare avignon rims in the boot. Seems like it should fit but I don't have a tire on the rim so I'm not 100% sure. Only problem I foresee is if the circumference being too large to fit in the area. Also you're supposed to put the tire in face down which seems like it would scuff at the face of the rim which wouldn't be pretty either.

      Otherwise I think testing fitting seems like a full size 17'' should be a go

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    27. 08-22-2009 02:03 PM #167
      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »
      Well I put one of my spare avignon rims in the boot. Seems like it should fit but I don't have a tire on the rim so I'm not 100% sure. Only problem I foresee is if the circumference being too large to fit in the area. Also you're supposed to put the tire in face down which seems like it would scuff at the face of the rim which wouldn't be pretty either.

      Otherwise I think testing fitting seems like a full size 17'' should be a go

      face it up so you dont scratch it


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      08-22-2009 04:09 PM #168
      Quote, originally posted by bluetapedr3w »

      face it up so you dont scratch it


      You can't, it wasn't designed that way. You'll see if you look that there is a pole that goes through the center cap to secure the tire from shifting then the jack and nut wrench are packaged in this foam housing that rests in the rims hub.

      It's a whole condensing system.

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      08-24-2009 04:28 PM #169
      Quote, originally posted by Blue91 »
      That is true with the non JSW, but the JSW...

      Huh? I have a JSW. My car came with a 205/55R16 tire mounted on a 16" steel wheel as a spare.

      Maybe we're using different terminology here. When I say the spare is 'full-size' I mean it has similar diameter and tread width to the factory primary rubber and is suitable for use at highway speeds. It is not a narrow, undersized tire intended for temporary, low-speed use.

      Maybe the 2.5's and TDI's are different, but my SEL does not have a temporary spare.

      Quote, originally posted by darkcloud17 »
      Only problem I foresee is if the circumference being too large to fit in the area. Also you're supposed to put the tire in face down which seems like it would scuff at the face of the rim which wouldn't be pretty either.

      By my calculations the diameter of the spare is less than 0.1" smaller than the 225/45R17's. You should be fine.

      To protect the wheel, I'd put down some packing foam or bubble wrap or something. Something thin yet padded to protect the wheel. Maybe you can fit an old blanket in there. It'd be handy to have an emergency blanket in there anyway.


      Modified by nhbubba at 1:31 PM 8-24-2009


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      08-24-2009 05:22 PM #170
      pic of HID in none projector headlights

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      08-24-2009 05:52 PM #171
      are non-projector headlights have been proven usable with HID's without any glare other than what you can see in the picture above. the light is very well maintained below trunk level and is no brighter than any other stock reflector HID housing on say a lexus, lincoln, nissan or any other company that makes reflector housings for HID bulbs.
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      08-24-2009 06:43 PM #172
      Quote, originally posted by nhbubba »
      By my calculations the diameter of the spare is less than 0.1" smaller than the 225/45R17's. You should be fine.

      To protect the wheel, I'd put down some packing foam or bubble wrap or something. Something thin yet padded to protect the wheel. Maybe you can fit an old blanket in there. It'd be handy to have an emergency blanket in there anyway.


      Modified by nhbubba at 1:31 PM 8-24-2009


      It seemed like it should fit if I had rubber on the rim but I didn't want to say it will def. fit w/o ever really testing it.

      I was thinking the same thing about the blanket or a fleece circle with a hole in the middle to sit around the mounting point.

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      08-24-2009 07:20 PM #173
      Quote, originally posted by rumcajs666 »
      pic of HID in none projector headlights

      judging light output and glare from a photograph doesn't work... for way too many reasons to list in a sportwagen thread.

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      08-24-2009 07:47 PM #174
      jesus just let the guy run whatever headlights he wants. If you drive past him and feel they are too bright report the liscence plate or flash your brights at him (i know two wrongs dont make a right, but whatever)

      5 years ago, everyone was putting HID retrofit kits into their mk3 and mk4 halogen headlamps. Whats the big deal?

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      08-24-2009 10:07 PM #175
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