Gauge panel install

[Banned wagon]

So I have had these gauges in a box in my garage for the last 10 years. I pulled them from a MK1 cabby, but didnt ge the senders. I have no radio in my car so i got a Din gauge panel form 42 Draft Designs

So the install is pretty straight forward for most of it 5 wires

Brown= ground
Gray with blue stripe= dashlights
Black=12V+ switched

Blue with yellow= oil pressure

Green with Black= oil temperature

So I don't yet have any of the senders yet. but i have determined what i need and have ordered them.

10 bar is about 145psi So i orderd a 150PSI Oil Pressure Sender M10x1

300F Oil Temp Sender M10x1

once get the senders. i will update this, as I am thinking that getting them to fit in may take a few more bits. I am planing on putting a T on the back of the head for the new oil pressure sender and the stock oil pressure switch.

M10x1 Male T Adaptor

not sure if the same T will work for the oil temperature sender as it looks a little longer. I plan on the oil temp sender to mount on the oil filter flange.

[DubbinChris]

I see this in my future. Which panel did you order? I have their anodized alum 3 gauge panel in my MKII. I really like their products.

[Banned wagon]

I ordered the VW mk3 Triple Gauge Panel

Modified by Banned wagon at 9:26 AM 2-21-2010

[FOXisVW2]

With the correct dual sender unit for oil pressure, you can mount it on the oil filter flange in place of the original sensor for the warning lite. It needs to close or open the switch for warning lite at same pressure as original (but I don't remember what that is at this time). If the switch in the dual sender does not match that stock sensor (switch), then maybe it matches the one at the head. If so, then you do not need 2 at the head. However, if you have the stock battery tray, then an angle adapter is needed to keep the larger dual sender from hitting the battery tray.

The temperature sensor can be mounted directly to the filter flange (without a T connector) if you either drill and tap the flange or use the flange from a 4K or similar. Easiest way is to use the flange complete with temp sensor and dual pressure sender from the 4K. However, I think that pressure sender is for 5Bar/70-75psi gage.

[Banned wagon]

Quote, originally posted by FOXisVW2 »

With the correct dual sender unit for oil pressure, you can mount it on the oil filter flange in place of the original sensor for the warning lite.

True. But the dual senders are not recommended they tend to not have the same variables as the stock low pressure switches.

Quote, originally posted by FOXisVW2 »

However, if you have the stock battery tray

Nope its long gone

Quote, originally posted by FOXisVW2 »

The temperature sensor can be mounted directly to the filter flange (without a T connector) if you either drill and tap the flange or use the flange from a 4K or similar.

The T adapter is 7 bucks.

Also made a lower panel from the stock panel from the MK1 cabby.

the panel and shown gauge are for a different car and project all together

a few more pics

Modified by Banned wagon at 8:00 PM 7-31-2009

[pelado]

Coool....
I have these in my Parati (Fox Wagon)

[DubbinChris]

^^^^ Weird....no temp control?

[pelado]

Brazil came from the factory only in GLS and GL version was optional.

My is Parati GL...

[DubbinChris]

So it always blows hot or always blows cold? Or just blows air from the outside?

[kerensky]

Not sure there's much of a need for heat in Sao Paulo.

[pelado]

blows from outside. I have not hot air. Needed because where I live doing -1 ° C at this time. I live in Santa Maria in Rio Grande do Sul, near Argentina and Uruguay.

[DubbinChris]

Wow...so I wonder if the car even came with a heater core?

[Banned wagon]

the cars are probably ethanol powdered. thus producing less heat too. (if my understanding of ethanol is correct)

holy thread jack. its all good i am waiting on the senders to get to me anyway.

[gus_quadrado]

Hey Banned Wagon!

It's almost like that ...
Ethanol works better with more heat, but when it is cold and is more difficult to switch on... (like here in southern Brazil, cars with carburetor and ethanol is more difficult to switch on in the cold ... need a gas injector to switch on in the cold ...)

E ae pelado! Outro brasileiro nesse fórum, é?
Tu tá no CdGQ?? (certo, Parati num é Gol, mas é da linha, né!)

[snowfox]

Quote, originally posted by Banned wagon »

So I have had these gauges in a box in my garage for the last 10 years.

I see your 10 years and raise you 2 more... Except mine are a little different. Mine are VDO Cockpits with Oil Press, Oil Temp, and Water Temp (all senders are present and accounted for, as well). The first 2 served duty on my old AX S. Beetle and the last was purchased shortly after I bought my first Fox in 96. Unfortunately, the car got totalled before the gauges went in. In the intervening 12 yrs, I've never pulled them out and plunked them in the current ride.

So... How does the 42 Draft unit fit if you try to put it in the cubby? Is the cabby unit a better choice there? (This project has come back on my radar as I have been battling coolant temps lately...)

[Banned wagon]

For the Fox I cubby you need something slighly bigger then the standered DIN size ($16 din panel)

for the lower panel I cut and sanded the MK1 cabby center console till it fit in the opening. or you can just get a FoxII center console(only seen in gray but you can paint it )

[pelado]

DubbinChris

She did not come with central heating. Was optional at the time of purchase. It is then moved to Gasoline does not have much problem in the cold.

Fala gus blz? Cara to no CdGq, no CdGqRS e no Parati Clube, fora outros fóruns hehehe

[DubbinChris]

Quote, originally posted by Banned wagon »

holy thread jack.

Yeah sorry about that.

[gus_quadrado]

Ah tá!
Na comu do orkut do Clube tem um cara que tá no CdGQ-RS que é bem ativo lá...
Num sei se tu é ativo por lá ou se conhece ele...

Ah sim, eu também tô no clube nacional e no daqui de SC! Mas por causa da idade, num tenho o Golzin ainda...

[Banned wagon]

Got to the shipment from 42 Draft finished up the rest of the install.

I decided to tap the oil filter flange for the oil temp sender.

10mx1 tap and 23/64 drill bit (didn't have a 9mm bit)

all cleaned up ready to go in

used the brass T on the water temp sender

I am using the dual sender/ pressure switch on the head. the values on the pressure switch are close but not the same. shouldn't be a problem on the Fox. (in newer car will throw a code and check engine light some times)

Now for the fun part the coolant temp gauge install

Pull the canter vents, one screw on the top

pull the lighter out

cut out the hole used a die grinder

wired up. just taped to the power, ground and dash light . from the lighter plug

all done

Modified by Banned wagon at 5:25 PM 8-15-2009

[reddfoxx]

Nice write-up. And gauges everywhere!

[Banned wagon]

Yea i decided to add a coolant gauge. was going to just take out the volt gauge, but i kinda like it. so in the dash it went.

VDO Vision Series 250F Water Temp Gauge

And the sender
250F Water Temp Sender

Thanks again 42nd Draft Designs for the discount.


Modified by Banned wagon at 9:47 AM 8-16-2009

[BLUE 88 FOX 1.8L]

hey while we're on the subject of water temp gauges. i have a veglia from a fiat that has four wires and these written next to them.

green 12V (duh power for the bulb)

yellow/black GN

white/black BN

white Goes to the bulb

which one do you think i should put on the sending unit?

is this correct?

sorry to thread jack. but i figured it pertained to the subject

[Banned wagon]

Well what help I can offer is this the back of the gauge should have 3 terminals (not counting the light) 2 of them will be insulated of some sort, the one that is not insulated is ground. the other 2 are switched +12v and the sender.

[doppelfaust]

Looks really good, you gave me some great ideas for when I install my gauges, I will be retaining a radio however.

Thanks for the write up.

[DubbinChris]

Cool idea...putting the gauge in place of the 12v plug. I'm pretty sure I'm going to steal that idea.

[BLUE 88 FOX 1.8L]

Quote, originally posted by Banned wagon »

Well what help I can offer is this the back of the gauge should have 3 terminals (not counting the light) 2 of them will be insulated of some sort, the one that is not insulated is ground. the other 2 are switched +12v and the sender.

thanks that does help. does the gauge need the switched 12v for the actual temp gauge to read?

[Banned wagon]

Quote, originally posted by BLUE 88 FOX 1.8L »

does the gauge need the switched 12v for the actual temp gauge to read?

yes the gauge needs power

[Banned wagon]

Faq'ed

[snowfox]

Quote, originally posted by Banned wagon »

So how is this coolant temp set up working for you? What kind of temps are you running? How does the temp gauge respond (faster, slower, same, w/e...) compared to the idiot+needle?

[Banned wagon]

the Gauges are working great My coolant temp is around 180-200 most of the time. the stock needle is a still kinda random up and down from day to day (think ground issues in console) but the VDO is stable

[FoxWolf93]

Ah... what goes around comes around . I sure do miss the Fox

[MacLac]

Fox newbie here, I look around the 4 pages of threads and didnt find what I was looking for. This thread seemed close enough to what I'd like to know.

I got a center console from a gti and I dont want it to just sit there. I dont have my fox in my possesion yet(in a few weeks or so) and would rather have gauges then a radio. What I'd like to find out is, can it fit in a early fox? 87 to be exact. thanks!

[Banned wagon]

OK so your question is:

Will the entire center console from a from a GTI fit in a Fox? (my interpretation of your post )

short answer :no

long answer: you can cut out the gauge portion to fit the fox's center console cubby

[MacLac]

OK so your question is:

haha I guess I could have summed it up more. Thanks for the help Banned wagon!