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    Thread: The 010 Lost Knowledge Thread

    1. Member B4S's Avatar
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      08-11-2009 10:22 AM #1
      If anyone out there is interested, I figure it might be nice to have a place to put all the snippets of info that have been floating around about the 010. I know a few of us really like that box...but we all only have a small piece of the puzzle. I recently bought a nice little factory 010 troubleshooting manual at a swap meet, and there are some interesting bits in it. Here's the link to download a PDF:
      http://www3.sympatico.ca/tchaa...e.pdf
      It's a pretty secretive topic, the 010, but maybe it's finally time to let the world know what a few of us already do. I'll be updating this with as much info as I can find/have already, in order to further the research. I've got information about changing the shift points, a nice rebuild manual, and pictures of a box torn down. I'll also look in to cross-referencing the various boxes for useful parts that can be swapped...but that might be a big task for one guy.
      Cheers all...and if you care, share, please .
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      08-11-2009 02:55 PM #2
      Nice...
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      08-12-2009 04:47 PM #3
      I put a reverse pattern full manual valve body in one not too long ago. It's pretty cool to say the least. Input shafts seem to be the weak point though.

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      08-12-2009 08:48 PM #4
      Nice. Any info on the valve body? Who built it? That's the missing link that keeps me from converting fully. My old G60 3-speed just didn't shift hard enough and I don't have enough knowledge of the flow through the VB to play around. I know that the 'E' gearboxes that were found in some of the auto MkII diesels had some extra bits in their valve bodies, but not sure if that's any help. I'd DEFINITELY pay for a manual valve body .
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      08-12-2009 09:45 PM #5
      The full manual bypasses basically everything (accumulator, governor, 1/2 and 2/3 shift regulators, kickdown, etc) and comes with a higher system pressure spring. With the higher pressure the pump drive center also needs to be upgraded to a chromoly one. Everything else was a basic rebuild kit except for the forward drum chromoly center (optional for lower power) and a kevlar lined band. I also swapped in the 087 5" direct clutch drum and shell.
      The one I installed was $500 for the valve body (bolt on, no modification needed) and the chromoly pump drive was $60. Modified forward drum was $300 and the kevlar band was ~30.
      The valve body looked pretty basic, so I imagine it could be reverse engineered pretty easily. I'll have to dig up the info on where we sourced the parts if you want to spend that kind of money.

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      08-13-2009 09:30 AM #6
      I do indeed want to spend that kind of money .
      Thanks for the info, it's nice to see that it's not insanity to think that the 010 can actually be modified properly. I know IPT does 010 stuff...but I'm not sure about how deep they can go. Last I talked to them, they mentioned a porsche 4-pinion planetary being used, but nothing about the VB or band.
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      08-13-2009 09:53 AM #7
      The four gear planetary is the last step since they are hard to come by, but if you have one then definitely swap it, or sell it to me .
      The guy we used was transaxleengineering.com. He's very knowledgeable about the planetary section, but isn't familiar with the VW final drive portion as he's never used it.

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      08-13-2009 12:17 PM #8
      HOLY CRAP!
      check the pic on the homepage
      http://transaxleengineering.com/index.html
      Dude, thanks a MILLION for this info. I'm switching directions on my project, wish I hadn't thrown out that TJ code box I had . All I've got is an older EQ now, short ratios .
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      08-13-2009 01:27 PM #9
      If you're adding the audi parts make sure the gear ratios between the two donors match (just the planetaries, not the final drive), otherwise the reverse planetary and carrier won't fit. Basically, the Audi carrier is different from the VW one, and you'll have to use the VW one to mate to the final drive case.

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      08-13-2009 02:31 PM #10
      I'd probably start out slow, and just use the stock EQ rabbit box I have here, with the VB and pump drive, since I'm still naturally aspirated. After an overhaul of course, no way I'm going to try a manual VB on a car with 26 year old clutches . The diff/transaxle seal is still good, so I don't forsee any extreme issues inside the box. I just wish I hadn't pitched my long-ratio box .
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      08-13-2009 10:38 PM #11
      i printed out a copy of your manual. it'll go into my 'obscure VW tech' binder. thanks for sharing the info.

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      08-14-2009 06:23 AM #12
      No problem, glad to help .
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      08-14-2009 03:37 PM #13
      A lot of 010 performance knowledge can be gleaned from the Vanagon crowd, as they routinely swap WRX motors in, using the 010 as their gearbox. Here's a nice little forum, it's small but it has some good info if you dig.
      http://www.vwrx.com/forum/index.php
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      08-14-2009 03:46 PM #14
      A mod for the stock governor, to change the shift points. Keep in mind this mod is for the Vanagon tranny, which has much lower shift points than the Mk1/2 boxes. The same theory applies though, take a bit off the weights and see where it shifts at WOT. Take off too much...and you'll be looking for a new governor .
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      08-19-2009 08:33 PM #15
      Some pictures of adding ATF cooler ports to a non-cooler port case. Big thanks to Rabbit6 for sharing! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG].
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      08-19-2009 11:07 PM #16
      I've achieved quick shifts by disabling the two *EDIT* accumulators. I haven't monkeyed with line pressure or anything like that yet, and really at this point, don't find the need to. It works that well already. Currently operating a turbo G60 at 10 psi w/ assymetric sport cam and techtonics chip.
      My first trans snapped it's turbine shaft (input shaft) while two footing it at the tree at my local drag strip. The second one wouldn't upshift. This one works awesome!
      The two fittings for fluid cooling are 1/8 NPT. The supply fitting is filled with solder and has a 1/8" orifice drilled through the solder. I might enlargen that slightly, but I believe that running this setup without an orifice would divert too much fluid from the valve body.


      Modified by Rabbit6 at 2:42 AM 8-21-2009
      3 speeds are better than no speeds. I LOVE 010 AUTO TRANSMISSIONS!!

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      08-20-2009 06:56 AM #17
      Disabling the governors how?
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      08-21-2009 02:43 AM #18
      post edited. accumulators, not govenors. damn nighshift brain!
      3 speeds are better than no speeds. I LOVE 010 AUTO TRANSMISSIONS!!

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      08-21-2009 11:34 AM #19
      That's a good tip about the return orifice, makes sense [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG].
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      08-21-2009 12:46 PM #20
      oops! don't make that mistake... the orifice definitely needs to be put in the supply fitting, not the return. If installed in the return, then the lines and cooler will be subject to full, unregulated pressure from the pump!
      3 speeds are better than no speeds. I LOVE 010 AUTO TRANSMISSIONS!!

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      08-21-2009 03:59 PM #21
      DOH...reading pwns me today.
      Supply line, gotcha.
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      10-08-2009 10:44 PM #23
      this thread is awesome. mostly over my head but awesome. it's freakin sweet to see that there's actually a few 010 enthusiasts floating around in interwebland. that and the idea of a WRX motor in a vanagon just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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      10-09-2009 12:25 AM #24
      i don't get it... where's all the info?

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      10-09-2009 06:37 AM #25
      Yeah...it doesn't seem to be drawing the sharers out of their hidey holes. I know there is a ton of info out there...but nobody is sharing .
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