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    Thread: The 010 Lost Knowledge Thread

    1. Member B4S's Avatar
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      10-30-2010 01:18 PM #276
      The joys of living in Canadia man .
      It's the beginning of our winter, so while it doesn't stay for long right now (ground isn't frozen), it's starting to snow already . It's also damp as fook, so it's kinda unpleasant in the garage right now.

      Next weekend I'll see if I can round up some help and get the box out. **** jobs are always more fun with a few beers...I mean, colas .
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      10-30-2010 01:22 PM #277
      that sucks it broke already...you have me a bit worried...if it breaks that easy with 110 whp what will happen with 340?

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      10-30-2010 02:01 PM #278
      one thing i've learned working on aircraft, (where quality of parts is supposed to be second to none), is that just because a new part is new, doesn't guarantee it's good. It could very well be the possibilities you describe, but don't discount the valvebody. Completely ignoring the issues arising from cheap labor most shops are forced to hire, the smallest fleck of debris can jam a shift valve. Not to be a pessimist, just suggesting don't dismiss the VB as a potential cuplrit because it's new. Good luck!
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      10-30-2010 02:13 PM #279
      Everything is coming out next weekend, so I'll give it a thorough going-over soon. I 'recycled' a lot of parts in my build, so I'm not worried about the box itself being less-than-strong. It's seriously going to be something minute. I'm letting the car settle right now, and will go out and try it again later. When the shifting issue arose, the ATF was waaaaaaaay below level (the first test drive had a too-high level), maybe it sucked air, who knows. Either way, I'm now way more confident in my abilities to rebuild one of these suckers, so it shouldn't be long before it's back up and running.

      Rabbit6: Yeah, I'll be cleaning out the VB for sure. My work area is less than clean, so no variable will be left unturned.
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      10-30-2010 02:17 PM #280
      Quote Originally Posted by A2TDI View Post
      that sucks it broke already...you have me a bit worried...if it breaks that easy with 110 whp what will happen with 340?
      I don't think of it as 'broken', just 'not currently working properly' .
      This is a teething pain, it's the first box I've ever built, so perhaps I overlooked something. Maybe my 'this should work' philosophy needs a bit of tweaking.
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      10-30-2010 02:20 PM #281
      thx rabbit6

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      10-30-2010 02:51 PM #282
      Yep, just went out to check the car...it didn't fix itself . It rocks back and forth slightly when I rev it up in 1/2/3...but no forward motion. It's not engaging the drum at all.

      Ah cars...without them, I'd be so bored .
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      10-30-2010 02:52 PM #283
      Quote Originally Posted by B4S View Post
      Yep, just went out to check the car...it didn't fix itself . It rocks back and forth slightly when I rev it up in 1/2/3...but no forward motion. It's not engaging the drum at all.

      Ah cars...without them, I'd be so bored .

      what do you suppose the problem might be?

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      10-30-2010 03:15 PM #284
      After my first test drive, I drained a half qt of ATF out with a vacuum pump, since the level was too high. The fluid seemed murky, but bright red. I've been reading that a dead forward drum could be due to fried clutches, and the murkiness is clutch material. This is likely, as I'm using stock clutches (and used ones at that ). Also, if I blew out a seal on the forward drum (again, very likely), there would be a huge pressure drop that resulted in no forward motion. I'll drop the pan before I pull the engine out and see if there are any telltale bits of metal in there that would indicate something major has gone boom. I'm thinking it's going to be a simple fix, and I bet it's due to the age of the box itself. That'll teach me to think a quick 'refresh' is as good as a full rebuild .

      If it's just clutches or a seal, life is good. It could also be the planetary gears, but I don't hear any crunching or whining at all, so I'm leaning away from that.
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      10-30-2010 03:20 PM #285
      hopefully its just clutches, was it slipping at all?

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      10-30-2010 03:25 PM #286
      I wasn't paying attention, to be honest, lol. It did feel a bit slippy between gears (after engagement), but I put it up to the RPM drop and my not-quite-WOT test drive.

      The factory tolerances are super loose, and I've tightened them up quite a bit, so I bet the old clutches couldn't take the excess drag, if they're fried. If I need clutches, I'm definitely calling Jeff at transaxle engineering again, he's got the good raybestos ones in stock.
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      10-30-2010 04:05 PM #287
      Ah...the piston at the bottom of the forward drum that has it's seals vulcanized to it. I bet that piston needs to be replaced.

      Definitely not worried.
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      10-30-2010 04:31 PM #288
      that might be the problem

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      10-30-2010 05:01 PM #289
      I like how everyone is more concerned about it than the guy who broke it. Just goes to show you are already thinking ahead and not being hung up on this little stumble.
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      10-30-2010 05:39 PM #290
      I'm a project whore, used to this sort of bump in the road, lol.

      There are no impossibles, only obstacles .
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      10-30-2010 06:36 PM #291
      Hmm, the extra clutches in the forward drum might not be the best idea (although certainly not a bad one). It's 'always on', in any forward gear, so there is not much need to have insane amounts of clamping force, since it's never subjected to the 'on/off' motion like the direct drum. Perhaps I'll go back to the stock 4 clutch arrangement in that drum, depending on what I find when I open it up.
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      10-30-2010 10:02 PM #292
      Awesome...and now it's a friggin blizzard.
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      10-30-2010 10:55 PM #293
      well, we have faith you will Pioneer this for us. then the world (or just the 7-8 of us interested in this route) will beat a path to your door LOL.

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      10-31-2010 12:06 AM #294
      I'm flattered .

      I can't believe how much snow has accumulated, it's easily 2-3 inches. The ground hasn't frozen yet, so hopefully it won't stay and I can get it back up and running in a week or two. This time I'll hopefully get more than one wicked test drive . That first drive down the road was awesome.
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      10-31-2010 01:59 PM #295
      it honestly sounds like the torque converter just filled up and it ran low on fluid. when you put the extra clutches in did you put the piston on the lathe to turn it down some for extra clearance? If not that would explain fried clutches..But your problem does seem like it was low on fluid alot of times it will be overfull until you drive it then all the fluid gets throgh every passage.

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      10-31-2010 03:59 PM #296
      I didn't have to turn the piston down, it's not quite the same as a TH350/400 inside. The piston itself is covered with rubber, the seal is part of the piston, so it's not possible to turn it down any. The factory clearances are quite loose (top steel to circlip), and the dudes at transaxle engineering say to tighten them up by a bit. Adding the extra clutch/steel did that quite nicely. The first drive I took, it sucked a lot of fluid into the converter, leaving it below the min mark. I added fluid and discovered the lack of forward motion. I've let it sit for a day or two, hoping that the excess will drain back. I'll give it a shot again in a couple days and see if anything happens. Reverse works great though, and still slams into gear (although that's a too-high-idle issue, when I lower the idle, it's far less harsh), so I'm still thinking it was something I did to the forward drum. It doesn't even load up when I shift into any of the drive gears, vs. shifting into reverse, so I think pressure is bleeding off (blown piston seal) in that drum.

      Depending on what I find, I may just stick with the stock 4-clutch forward drum. I don't know if the issue was caused by my mods, but if it was, I'll just tighten up the stocker and call it a day.

      Spare TNA box in the house today too, thanks to a friend parting out his cabby project .
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      11-02-2010 06:20 PM #297
      well today I spoke with Jeff at transaxle engineering and he was a great help! Much easier to speak with rather then IPT. I was kind of leary about this transmission holding up to big power but he changed my mind.... http://transaxleengineering.com/Page...ing_Video.html
      That video is of his personal sand rail with a LS1 small block chevy coupled to a 010! Also Jeff's prices are much cheaper and he has been putting together these 010's for 33 years! So im pretty sure im going to order everything I need soon but im looking for some sort of a group buy on turbine shafts. He was saying he can get one made for 800 bucks or two made for 1200..and im sure the price gets cheaper with more demand. So is any one else interested?

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      11-02-2010 08:31 PM #298
      I'm definitely interested, but I can't swing it until spring . I've got too much to do in the way of daily-prepping and winterizing of the fleet. It sucks, but it's gotta be done if I don't want to end up divorced, lol.

      Slight update:
      went out to see if it was still broken...yep, still is. There is some forward motion when I rev it up, but it doesn't last. Reverse is still stellar though . I'm really excited to see what broke, I really think it's clutch related now.
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      11-03-2010 06:36 PM #299
      Drained the ATF tonight, it's murky and a bit glittery, but not that bad. There is a bit of material in the pan, and I found some clumps of fibrous material (clutch) in the screen, but nothing major. Probably just the front drum complaining about the tight clearances. I'm counting down the days until I can tear that bitch apart and see what I need to fix .

      It's spooky how excited I am. I guess I've been more bored with the same-old-same-old VW crap than I figured.
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