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    1. Member A2TDI's Avatar
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      11-12-2010 12:44 PM #326
      I on the other hand have a new love for them....Transaxle engineering has a 1600 hp engine coupled to one

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      11-12-2010 01:16 PM #327
      Sweet .
      I've said I won't take anything apart, but I know in my obsessive compulsive brain that I'll be pulling a turbine shaft from the EQ box tomorrow. I hate my car .

      I've figured out why I've busted so many seals though. It's the fresh piston in the forward drum. It's VERY tight, so once the turbine shaft goes through, the seals expand and get caught on the lip of the piston when you try to pull the shaft back out. Now I feel more like an idiot, didn't even consider that last night .
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      11-12-2010 03:45 PM #328
      Essentially, I describe myself as an idiot with a few lucky streaks. I've got to stop 'diagnosing' stuff while I'm at the office, and not working on my car. The piston has nothing to do with the turbine shaft, it doesn't go far enough into the case to even come close to the piston. I was playing around and discovered the best way to get the to case halves together and install the turbine shaft at the same time. The tougest part of assembling the case halves is to align the pinion shaft with the reverse/parking lock. They're both splined, so put the transaxle in park (feel kinda dumb about just figuring this out now), makes it easier to get everything to slip together. If you remove the converter pinion, exposing the transfer gear, you can align the splined shaft, and slip the turbine shaft into the box at the same time.

      I've already pulled out a spare turbine shaft and reassembled the good box, lol. Got off work early today .
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      11-14-2010 05:41 PM #329
      Engine's back in, just have to connect the axles and suchlike. I'll be recording the FIRST test drive this time, just in case.
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      11-14-2010 06:08 PM #330
      It's been 20 min...either he is jumping with joy or beating the car with a lead pipe.
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      11-14-2010 06:10 PM #331
      Quote Originally Posted by wantacad View Post
      It's been 20 min...either he is jumping with joy or beating the car with a lead pipe.

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      11-14-2010 07:42 PM #332


      I came inside once the engine was in, to prevent the lead-piping, lol. I'll get to the miscellaneous stuff tomorrow night, since winter is long overdue now and I don't know how much longer I'll have for test drives. It's been eerily warm since the blizzard we had weeks ago...
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      11-15-2010 08:44 PM #333
      It's done. Tomorrow I load it up with coolant and ATF, and go for ANOTHER test drive.
      This **** better work, lol .
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      11-15-2010 10:16 PM #334
      fingers crossed!

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      11-16-2010 11:49 AM #335
      Quote Originally Posted by A2TDI
      well today I spoke with Jeff at transaxle engineering ....So im pretty sure im going to order everything I need soon but im looking for some sort of a group buy on turbine shafts. He was saying he can get one made for 800 bucks or two made for 1200..and im sure the price gets cheaper with more demand. So is any one else interested?
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      Count me in.
      Yeah, me too. I have a hankering to build a box up over the winter, and have the $$ put aside for the 300m turbine shaft now .
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      11-16-2010 03:00 PM #336
      Hmm, I think I've figured out a way to help the 2-3 shift on a 'stock' box. The dodge guys have the same design direct drum as we do, but their piston is held down by a single spring under a seat, whereas ours is many little springs. They 'shorten' their spring by clamping it down and heating it in a BBQ. I wonder if removing every second spring would help the 2-3 shift hit harder? I wish I had a stock box to try it out on, lol.

      Another curious thing. Some of the 010 forward drums have the same spring-ring setup as the direct drum. I noticed the other night that the diesel box I took apart was done that way as opposed to the regular spring/circlip method. I wonder why. The forward drum is an 'always-on' one, so there's no on/off motion like in the direct drum. Hmm. Weird.
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      11-16-2010 09:30 PM #337
      It engages 1st gear and rolls forward
      I got home too late to do any real work, but the band is set and the box is full of ATF. Tomorrow I'll fill it back up with coolant, and if it's not pouring rain I'll go for a drive. I'll set up the camera for that run, just in case, lol.

      If anyone is wondering why I won't go if it's raining...well, I've already pushed this car a kilometer (2/3rds of a mile) in the pitch black of boonie darkness, and I have no hankering to do it in the rain too .
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      11-16-2010 09:34 PM #338
      Quote Originally Posted by B4S View Post
      If anyone is wondering why I won't go if it's raining...well, I've already pushed this car a kilometer (2/3rds of a mile) in the pitch black of boonie darkness, and I have no hankering to do it in the rain too .
      hahahaha.....

      so yeah.... hope its sorted out this time.

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      11-16-2010 09:47 PM #339
      Quote Originally Posted by B4S View Post

      If anyone is wondering why I won't go if it's raining...well, I've already pushed this car a kilometer (2/3rds of a mile) in the pitch black of boonie darkness, and I have no hankering to do it in the rain too .
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      granted you might end up living in the rabbit after that but hey, one step at a time.
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      11-16-2010 09:47 PM #340
      I think it will be, I honestly think the failure was due to the 20 year old seal. It suddenly had to deal with a huge pressure jump from stock, so it went boom. The fresh piston was a really tight squeeze, so I doubt it's going to give out now. Nobody else is having this problem, and Jeff at Transaxle never mentioned a weakness there, so I think it'll be cool now.

      The last pushing episode was actually a great learning experience. I now know that I can go nearly a mile on the fuel in the float bowls before the car stops running. Always make sure you don't have a clogged fuel filter...

      wantacad: I actually ended up getting a lift back to town. A brave soul decided to pick up a guy covered in grease, wearing coveralls, and pushing a Rabbit down a dark country road. Got the wife, the tow rope my father-in-law gifted to me (he must have figured a VW guy would need it, lol), and my Saturn. I don't think she'd be so excited to do that again though, she hasn't let me live it down yet, lol
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    16. 11-17-2010 06:38 PM #341
      Just to offer a different perspective, I have a built 010 in which we ran 350-ish hp (down from low 500-ish hp) and managed mid 11's on the dragstrip. We really only built the box once, installed it (with the engine in, by the way) and have had no real issues other than the obvious development sort like snapped input shaft (replaced with a heat-treated stock unit) and upgraded TC (IPT modified stock unit).

      We're working on a LSD for next season but beyond that the only other possible upgrade will be the 300M input shaft.

      We did some testing with "shifting under boost" and it seems to be holding up. That may change as we bring more boost back into the system.
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      11-17-2010 07:25 PM #342
      I'm following your thread in the motorsports forum, it's a huge inspiration . I've found a company to do some heat treating, but will be getting in on the 300m turbine shaft buy.

      I just got back from a drive around the block, it was too dark to film though. I'm going to try again on friday (won't get home before dark tomorrow). It was awesome! The 1-2 shift feels hard now, unlike the first time, which was on the weakened piston/seal. It's crazy, I love it . I'm still on my 175/50 13s, so it scoots quite well, but is revving reeeeeeeeeally high, even at in-town speeds. Engine braking is still functional, although it's not needed. Step on off the gas, and it's just like any old automatic out there. Just have to be sure to shift into 1 before taking off, lol.

      As far as differentials go, I've had a crazy notion about dodge neon ones. If you google the A413 dodge tranny, their diff looks a LOT like the VW one. I'm going to see if one of my dodge buddies has an auto diff kicking around for comparison's sake. I'm not expecting much, but it never hurts to look.
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      11-18-2010 11:41 AM #343
      Ok volks,
      we have 3 buyers for the 300M turbine shafts it looks like the individual price drops around $100 for every additional order.
      Currently around $600-700 /unit based on the pricing of the last bunch he did. Current pricing to be verified, but similar for sure.
      If we can get a couple more people in on this, $500 each should be doable.
      Anyone interested?
      Please speak up soon.
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      11-19-2010 10:00 AM #344
      At LONG last...the video. I took the day off work, just for you guys . I'm a giver, what can I say, lol.

      It's 5 min long, the mic in my GoPro is dead, so it's tough to hear anything but squawks and rattles, but shows the shifts nicely. Most of the video is me going around the block, so you can see how hard 2nd hits at low speeds. At the 3:40 mark, I give it a bit of WOT (carbs are not tuned for full throttle yet, kinda lean), and the 1-2 shift is smooooooooooth . 2-3 is always good, so no news there. The ATF level is kinda high, so I really should drain some out...but this was the last drive for the car until April .

      Basically, I can't say enough good stuff about this transmission. It's going to be a looooooooooooooooong winter .

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      11-19-2010 10:11 AM #345
      shifts precise on the WOT bit hmmmm??

      sounds shot as you said.

      now you are making me want to learn about auto trans even more LOL.

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      11-19-2010 10:15 AM #346
      Yep, there was no slippage on the WOT shifting at all. It was instantaneous, and completely direct . I'm also still using stock clutches, not the good stuff that TransaxleEngineering sells.

      Seriously, with the 300m turbine shaft, this box will be a perfect option for high hp drag cars. Dcor has proved that .
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      11-23-2010 02:31 PM #347
      Well, yesterday was a sad day. I got the second spot in my garage cleaned out for the daily over the winter. This necessitated piling a few things behind my Rabbit (including the snowblower, HIGH priority around here), so it's well and tightly packed in until April . My garage is uninsulated, so work won't be continuing until then either. Even though the same thing happens every year, it doesn't make it any easier. I'll be able to look at my car all winter...but won't be able to drive it. Sigh.

      Maybe I'll see if I can find a TJ over the winter...then I could keep my 175/50 13s....
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      11-23-2010 03:43 PM #348
      gives you time to kick back and compose the true writeup for this setup then....


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      11-24-2010 09:26 AM #349
      Maybe I will, although I'd only be able to cover what I did...which might not be the best way of going about it . I'm sure there are a couple things that I did that might be frowned upon by the folks "in the know", but seem to work just fine for me. A good google search word is "A413", it's the code for the dodge stuff, and even though their boxes are slightly different (the pump is behind the converter, not at the end of the case, etc), they do some pretty ghetto things that seem to work out fine in the end . I like the turbo forums (turbododge.com, turbomopar.com), and the 1G Neon forums (they used an updated version of the A413, but still three speed/non-electronic) for tranny ideas. Their mods usually carry over almost exactly. The GM TH350/400 is similar again, but only for tips and tricks. That's pretty much where I got all the ideas I used to build this one.
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      11-24-2010 09:32 AM #350
      just watched the video now, looks like it works well.

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