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    Thread: The 010 Lost Knowledge Thread

    1. Member B4S's Avatar
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      05-15-2011 02:10 PM #501
      I have that book somewhere, lol. It's quite useful, as it compiles the 083/003 and 010 information into one place. The diagrams are fuzzy sometimes, but it's a very handy book to have .
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      05-16-2011 03:48 PM #502
      So I've got my turbo kit ready to go on the ol' 010...stock turbine shaft and all .

      I'm not convinced it's a super weak link, as I've run a stock G60 on one, and a friend has had his ABA turbo on an 010 (albeit pure stock EQ box) for a while now. It's completely unhealthy, slips like mad, but still managed 15.0 at the track with it, without snapping the shaft. Now, the above examples are low-power, which is exactly what I'm building. Rabbit6's car snapped shafts at the tree, and VWTuner-nl snaps them between 2-3. One of those boxes is on a PG-T DIY setup, and the other is pushing more than 500whp. One is a stock refresh, and one is built. I'm going to put my semi-built box on a light-hp turbo motor and see how long it lasts .

      I drag race perhaps once or twice a year now, I'm more of a cruiser after a bit more oomph (the carbs were waaaaaaaaaaaay too soft down low, the converter KILLED them). Should be interesting to see what happens. I'll be running MS3 on a stock-compression RV code 8v, with a mitsubishi 14B turbo, and water injection for intercooling. I'd like to be able to reliably put down 150whp, because I think the turbine shaft could easily take it. The Audi 5000-T easily had more power than that, and although it was a longer turbine shaft...it was still basically the same thing. I've got three spares though, just in case .

      The real stressor will be the manual valve body...
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      05-17-2011 06:15 PM #503
      with 150 you will be very reliable! On another note i finally got my car running and took it out for its maiden voyage last night in the rain.Did i mention i am running burnot of drag radials with a welded diff? The welded diff is brutal in a front wheel drive car without power steering but The car seems to shift nice! I wish i could open the throttle but anymore then 10% throttle it was just melting the tires off..

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      05-17-2011 09:17 PM #504
      Awesome! Congrats dude! Did you go for the manual valve body or are you running with the accumulator delete?
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      05-17-2011 11:45 PM #505
      its a transaxle special! everything Jeff made to strengthen the internals I bought. The trans started life as an rde code audi pinion trans and i just freshened it up with raysbestos metallic clutches and a transaxle engineering kevlar 2nd gear brake band, also through in the chromoly clutch drum, the special pump drive flower, the full manual valvebody and the 300m inputshaft. for the differential I think its th TK which is a 3.76 r&p and the diff is welded solid. Last year the car made 348 whp and 25x wtq so this should be interesting once it stops raining.

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      05-18-2011 08:30 AM #506
      Very cool. I still kinda regret not doing the turbine shaft, but my goals are so low that I'd never even use the box to it's potential. I went with stock clutches, but grabbed that kevlar band too. I'd love to see that chromoly drum, must have been gorgeous .

      How do you like that MVB? When the ATF warms up, reverse is a hell of a shot isn't it .
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      05-18-2011 04:41 PM #507
      what`s the advantage of the chromoly clutch drum?
      is it lighter then the original piece?

      I`m considering machining myself an aluminium clutch drum from 7075-T6, to lower the shock load on the inputshaft shifting from second to third.

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      05-18-2011 05:46 PM #508
      the chromoly clutch drum is a stock drum with the splines punched out over and inch then a chromoly insert is pressed in then resplined to the stock size. apparently Jeff had problems in the past tearing the splines out on the high horsepower stuff. Tonight im rebuilding my turbo so the weekend i should be able to do some wide open throttle experimenting. wish me luck!

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      05-20-2011 08:11 AM #509
      Hope you have a non-rainy weekend! We've only got one sunny day ahead of us up here in Ottawa, and I get to spend it doing yardwork and working on the daily . I'm going to try to sneak in some time to put the head back on my Rabbit though...with turbo .
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      05-20-2011 09:18 AM #510
      Quote Originally Posted by VWtuner-nl View Post
      what`s the advantage of the chromoly clutch drum?
      is it lighter then the original piece?

      I`m considering machining myself an aluminium clutch drum from 7075-T6, to lower the shock load on the inputshaft shifting from second to third.

      martijn.
      Hmm, after you said this, I went back to the diagrams. Think the stock drum could be lightened slightly? I remember it being quite heavy, probably to help with smooth shifts in a stock application. Some of the muscle car drag racers using GM autos actually run very few clutches in the drums, to help reduce friction and drag during their runs. I wonder if reducing the amount of clutches/steels in the direct drum could also help? There would need to be a large pressure plate in there to take up the slack, but I bet it could be made out of aluminum. I doubt there'd be much slip when going from 2-3, there isn't a huge difference in the gears at that point.

      Maybe I'll tear about my old EQ rabbit box with 3/3 clutches, and weigh the drums. In a car with a MVB, the high line pressures could probably keep it from slipping at the track. Would be a different story on the street though, with all the heat from driving.

      Another thought: I know everyone is in a rush to upgrade to the 5" drum from the larger cars, but what about keeping the 4.75" drum for less rotating mass? That's the one I have in my car currently, as I didn't see the need to upgrade right away. It might also help in reducing the shock loads when shifting into 3rd. I don't see an issue in clamping force, if it's got 5 clutches in it, and it's a drag car. Remember, all the autos that Transaxle builds are for sandrails (mostly), so they've built their boxes to handle long dune runs, and V8-style torque.
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      05-23-2011 04:17 PM #511
      jeff was even saying he runs alot of his v8s run the 3 pinion planetary gear sets. I think a stock vw tranny with new metallic clutches and a good band with the manual valvebody and line pressure turned way up would work awesome even for higher power vws. Rabbit6's transmissions are stock with simple valvebody mods and the hold up to a 180hp with no problem. I even feel that his transmission was worn out but still worked great.

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      05-23-2011 04:39 PM #512
      I'm definitely putting a rush on my build, so I can get out and test my transmission. Got the head on today, and will hopefully be able to sort out the oil return this week. Then it's just the easy stuff, intake, piping, management, tuning, etc, .
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      05-26-2011 09:00 AM #513
      I got a package today which brought a smile to my dial!!!

      Transaxles finest!!!! Bring on the auto build sometime soon!!! (maybe in 2 months depending on what goes on here & theres always heaps going on & things to do!)

      Last edited by John Milner; 05-26-2011 at 12:18 PM.
      Yeah, well I'm not surprised, drivin' a field car!

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      05-26-2011 12:09 PM #514
      Oh that is sexy.



      I love how in the model forums people are trash talking the 010 in favor of a manual swap. If they only knew.
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      05-26-2011 03:14 PM #515
      Quote Originally Posted by John Milner View Post
      I got a package today which brought a smile to my dial!!!

      Transaxles finest!!!! Bring on the auto build sometime soon!!! (maybe in 2 months depending on what goes on here & theres always heaps going on & things to do!)

      That`s the package for a rock solid trans!

      If it would be possible then please can you measure how much clutch play jeff gave your forward and direct clutch. I really like to know this information.
      When I asked him for this information, he wouldn`t tell me that.
      (If you don`t know how to do it please let me know.)

      Greetings,

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      05-26-2011 08:05 PM #516
      I really need to do something about my stock turbine shaft. I need a money tree.
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      05-27-2011 10:02 AM #517
      Quote Originally Posted by John Milner View Post
      I got a package today which brought a smile to my dial!!!

      Transaxles finest!!!! Bring on the auto build sometime soon!!! (maybe in 2 months depending on what goes on here & theres always heaps going on & things to do!)

      I'm surprised to see the large pressure plate in the Direct clutch, I would have figured it would be much thinner. How many clutches are in that drum? The one I built for myself is using a single steel under the circlip, it was necessary in order to get it to 5 clutches. Interesting.
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      05-27-2011 05:52 PM #518
      Jeff was telling me extra clutches wouldnt really benefit too much. He was say you get more benefits out of more pressure. My transmission is pretty well what the above pictured transmission is and so far it has taken some serious beatings!

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      05-27-2011 08:52 PM #519
      Interesting. Kinda goes against the 'traditional' performance auto build philosophy, but I guess he'd know best in this case, lol. Good to know
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      06-01-2011 10:26 AM #520
      My transmission is pretty well what the above pictured transmission is and so far it has taken some serious beatings!
      if you can't post a video, it didn't happen!
      3 speeds are better than no speeds. I LOVE 010 AUTO TRANSMISSIONS!!

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      06-05-2011 05:55 PM #521
      well wednesday night I had a severe drivline failure.....I was just finishing up my cars tune and I wanted to make a small pass on a flat back road with full power. on the second to third shift I sheared the center of the flex plate. It sounded similar to an engine throwing 4 connecting rods at the same time at 8100 rpm... turns out that I used crack prone flex plate that vw was suppose to replace back in the 80s...my flexplat i was using was the full steel one with all the holes. the updated one is a ring gear with a wimpy triangle in the center..so i purchased 2 wimpy one and welded them together to make a super flywheel. I will try to get some pics up soon of carnage.

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      06-05-2011 07:42 PM #522
      Hmm, I'm kinda surprised. That FP looks pretty beefy to me, but I guess not too many people have pushed these boxes as far as you guys have...so I guess there's going to be issues. I just hope my sub 200whp setup doesn't twist the turbine shaft .
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      06-06-2011 07:22 AM #523
      Jeez A2TDI!

      Doesn't sound too flash at all. Hope that doesn't happen to me with my planned 400+hp 20v!

      When you mention the flexplate with "all the holes", what did you mean?

      I know what the triangle style flex plates look like, but I've never seen them on a mk1.

      Here is the one I've go there for my 010. I've also got another couple of these too. Just in case.

      I'll be fitting it up with ARP flywheel bolts of a Escort I think & also Honda bolts to mount the torque convertor.


      Anyway, these are the pics of how the Aussie spec Mk1s flex plates are



      Yeah, well I'm not surprised, drivin' a field car!

      K-Jet Turbo build

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      06-06-2011 12:02 PM #524
      Same one I've got.
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    25. 06-06-2011 09:52 PM #525
      So we finally made it to the track again. We now have the 300M shaft (heat-treated before) and added a new boost controller. I wish our boost controller worked as well as the tranny did. We never really got to lay the boost back into it but the car shifted well......even under a load. We ran a bunch of mid-to upper 11's but we still have a bunch of power to get back into it at some point.

      Right now, we're gonna do something with the diff and dyno the car to setup the boost controller a little better.

      It is promising, though. There is more development to do but my gut feeling is that we're going the right direction.

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