BFI - Motor Mounts - Polyurethane solutions for your MkV 2.0T, 2.5L, and VR6

[lour32]

Well, are the stealth mounts ready for MK5 based cars?

[black forest ind]

Well, are the stealth mounts ready for MK5 based cars?

Unfortunately they are still not available and until further notice they will remain unavailable for an indefinite amount of time. We will definitely keep the forums up to date on any progress made.

[RoamingNick]

Unfortunately we will not have the OE mounting point you are referring to... You might want to consider finding a different mounting point as an alternate solution.

Is there a solution you guys can recommend?

I just installed the mounts yesterday (trouble-free, and first impressions are good) but the charcoal canister is kinda hangin' out there now (held on in pretty tenuous manner by just a couple of bolts). Is there a solution you can recommend (other than cobbling something together with bits of wire & rusty old bolts from the bottom of the toolkit)?

Also, FYI the RHS mount (timing belt end) where the plate afixes to the body (i.e. body side; not engine), the front screw (OEM) is a little too long, and use of a washer was required. Rear one no issue as you include a space in the kit.

What are the torque specs for these bolts (both sides)? That kinda info would be useful as a packing insert with the kit BTW.

[joe@blackforest]

Nick,

Just sent you a PM to see if we can help you out!

[RoamingNick]

Nick,

Just sent you a PM to see if we can help you out!

Thanks Joe, just replied with some shots - take a look & let me know your thoughts. Cheers.

[RoamingNick]

With 1,000kms and a good hard thrash down some awesome B-roads under my belt since installation, it’s timely to share impressions of the Whiteline Anti-lift Kit (WALK) and BFI “Stage 1” engine & transmission mounts. I’m providing feedback jointly as they were installed jointly – and as vibration can be a key negative byproduct of both products.

My motivations in installing these were:

• Mounts: With more than 400Nm, I could feel the relatively soft OEM mounts allowing the drivetrain to cant under power; I also could feel it shifting around during cornering/braking. I’d installed a torque arm insert earlier in an effort to quell this “sloppy” feeling, but it didn’t deliver the result I was after.
• Arms: I'm very particular about handling – I’d much rather weave through corners than drive flat-out in a straight line – so anything that promised to improve responses while dialing out understeer was going to be of interest; and WALK has received rave reviews elsewhere. These replaced some S3 control arms which frankly were pretty underwhelming.

Vibration is the big worry for anyone installing things like this – and everyone is different, so reading reviews really doesn’t help. One guy’s “OK vibes” is another's nightmare. So it was a relief when upon initial start-up after install I felt less vibes than expected. Aircon on… and still not atrocious (though certainly more noticeable than stock). Moving off, no huge shudders. Revving, a much more “earthy” thrum; same at steady presence during cruising. Not objectionable, but noticeable.

And over the next 1,000kms it pretty much stayed that way, gradually reducing with time to the point that it now feels barely any different (vibe-wise) from stock. Though to be clear, there were vibes – in fact, things I didn’t even know existed were vibrating. And when they’d stop… other things took over. It was a symphony of vibration – but eventually it settled. Given I'm particular about NVH, for me to be OK with it says a lot. I still feel/hear the more guttural thrum of the car under acceleration – and I like it.

The feeling of the car is fantastic – very dialed-in and “planted” thanks to a combination of less engine movement and more precise front steering/suspension control + geometry (caster) change. Turn-in feels razor-sharp, with minimal lost movement, after which the car tracks straight & true with no feeling of the nose washing wide. Power can be applied earlier & harder when pushing out of bends, with less wheel scrabble.

Given the very reasonable pricing on these products, and the benefit they deliver, I can absolutely recommend them to fellow enthusiasts. Re. WALK, I can totally see what the hype is about. Re. the BFI mounts, I’m pleased I selected their “Stage 1” set-up, which at 65 duro is harder than their “Stealth” product (50 duro) but not so hard as VF, BSH, etc. (80-90 duro) For comparison, stock is 45 duro.

Install of both can be done by a capable mechanic, though you will need replacement OEM bolts (as these are one-time-use “stretch” bolts) and the correct torque specs. If you don’t want your old control arms, it’s possible to whack them off without needing to loosen the subframe. A post-install alignment is required either way.

[GLI 808]

Stage 1 is a waste of your time. If anyone is thinking about getting them go for stage 2. I got mine and I love it. Thanks

[eatmorice]

My stock mounts are crap now, so im saving up for these babies.

[lour32]

Get those Stealth mounts back in stock

[MFZERO]

thinking about ordering some stealth or stage 1 mounts for the girlfriend's car and painting or powder-coating the metal bits.

[lour32]

Will the Stealth mounts be made again?

[black forest ind]

Will the Stealth mounts be made again?

At this time we are not planning on offering the Stealth mounts for this application as we feel that they are not a viable option between stock and our Stage 1 mounts.

[lour32]

That's what I thought since you guys did not have them for a while already. That sucks I really wanted the stealth mounts over all others. Stage1 will cause cabin vibration, correct. I will pm you guys.

[brekdown29]

That sucks I really wanted the stealth mounts over all others.

THIS

[VR6 GLX Man]

I ordered the stg.2, supposed be here sometime this week, my engine moves a lot. Cant wait to get these in
I have the dogbone right now I put that one in myslef, but was a pian in the ass, these Im going to a shop
to have the put in, unless im able to do this. Im waiting on the side and tranny. If there preasembled, how hard is it to get them installed.

[black forest ind]

I ordered the stg.2, supposed be here sometime this week, my engine moves a lot. Cant wait to get these in
I have the dogbone right now I put that one in myslef, but was a pian in the ass, these Im going to a shop
to have the put in, unless im able to do this. Im waiting on the side and tranny. If there preasembled, how hard is it to get them installed.

Feel free to take a look at our install guides, which can be found here: http://blackforestindustries.com/ser...l#instructions to see the steps necessary for the installation of your mounts.

[apollosfury]

just installed my stg 2 mounts and they're outstanding. link to my review thread....

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...nd-of-a-review

[VR6 GLX Man]

Ive had these for like 2 months now, at first I thought man the vibration is pretty extreme, but thats because I drive an hour to and from work, but they have broken in and it still vibrates, but it feels more rugged and like a race car, shifts are better, I find myself driving the car hard more than before. On the freeway from 60 an up there's a rumble from the engine and mounts its really deep its not bad, depends on the person. I recommend these mounts to anyone that doesn't mind a more rugged ride.

[apollosfury]

i spend more time in the higher rpm ranges since i got mine. the car/exhaust sounds so much meaner now!

[black forest ind]

Thanks for the reviews!

[MFZERO]

I've had my stage 2 mounts installed since July. Still loving them!

[black forest ind]

I've had my stage 2 mounts installed since July. Still loving them!

Glad you like them!

[Paint_By_Numbers]

All their mounts are of the highest quality. I highly recommend them!

[black forest ind]

Thanks for the words!

All their mounts are of the highest quality. I highly recommend them!

[canadaTDi]

Any comments about cabin vibrations in cold temperatures for stage 1? (-25)

[black forest ind]

Any comments about cabin vibrations in cold temperatures for stage 1? (-25)

I don't believe any of us have had first hand experience with that temperature, but I'd imagine the mount would stiffen up a bit.

[Bill6211789]

Just installed my stage 2 mounts super easy job took me about n hr to do. currently have stage 2 motor, tranny, and dogbone insert.

The car feels great. Vibration increases really only at idle. Been about 1,000 mi since install. And the motor sounds much happier

BFI makes awesome stuff!

Sent from my EVO

[black forest ind]

Just installed my stage 2 mounts super easy job took me about n hr to do. currently have stage 2 motor, tranny, and dogbone insert.

The car feels great. Vibration increases really only at idle. Been about 1,000 mi since install. And the motor sounds much happier

BFI makes awesome stuff!

Sent from my EVO

We really appreciate the feedback and support.

[Lpforte]

Are these worthwhile for a stock car or are they really only needed if you're running stage 2 and up mods? Thinking of chipping my car and possibly getting some aftermarket engine mounts to cut down on the sloppy feeling it has off the line.

[black forest ind]

Are these worthwhile for a stock car or are they really only needed if you're running stage 2 and up mods? Thinking of chipping my car and possibly getting some aftermarket engine mounts to cut down on the sloppy feeling it has off the line.

Regardless of what performance upgrades you have or plan on having, you will notice vast improvements in feel and shifting when upgrading any of your motor mounts. You should consider the torque arm insert as one of your initial upgrades due to it's ease of installation and affordability. More info can be found on our site here: http://store.blackforestindustries.c...oarmin091.html

[pete@blackforest]

[moltonboron]

this may be a n00b / dumb question but I def. want the engine and transmission mounts... do I only need one mount for each? Is there more than 1 engine mount that would need to be replaced to be done correctly? (flame suit is on)

[pete@blackforest]

this may be a n00b / dumb question but I def. want the engine and transmission mounts... do I only need one mount for each? Is there more than 1 engine mount that would need to be replaced to be done correctly? (flame suit is on)

You need one of these:
http://yhst-1918367471896.stores.yah...k4mk54cy1.html

One of these:
http://yhst-1918367471896.stores.yah...prtrmost1.html

And one of these if you don't already have one:
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[moltonboron]

You need one of these:
http://yhst-1918367471896.stores.yah...k4mk54cy1.html

One of these:
http://yhst-1918367471896.stores.yah...prtrmost1.html

And one of these if you don't already have one:
http://yhst-1918367471896.stores.yah...fitoarmin.html

[pete@blackforest]