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      11-23-2011 07:17 PM #421
      they will work for an aeg block then correct?

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      11-23-2011 08:24 PM #422
      What is the aluminum VW block?
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      11-24-2011 12:58 AM #423
      Might have missed this but.....

      With a 16v head, will you get low compression just like using an ABA block? Gonna be building a 16vT and this info on this block caught my eye.
      Last edited by Turbo3; 11-24-2011 at 01:07 AM.

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      11-24-2011 01:58 AM #424
      Quote Originally Posted by jjensen View Post
      they will work for an aeg block then correct?
      yes.
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo3 View Post
      Might have missed this but.....

      With a 16v head, will you get low compression just like using an ABA block? Gonna be building a 16vT and this info on this block caught my eye.
      both the 9A and the AZG/AEG have a 220mm deck height
      whatever CR you had in your 9A motor you will have in your AZG.

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      11-24-2011 09:34 PM #425
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      yes.

      both the 9A and the AZG/AEG have a 220mm deck height
      whatever CR you had in your 9A motor you will have in your AZG.
      That's with the stock AZG/AEG pistons too right?

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      11-25-2011 04:27 PM #426
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo3 View Post
      That's with the stock AZG/AEG pistons too right?
      No
      You are not using your AZG/AEG pistons. They are paperweights at this point.
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      11-25-2011 09:02 PM #427
      I may have not been clear on my question..

      If i bolt my 16 head on this block with stock internals, will i have a low (lower) compression motor?

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      11-25-2011 10:36 PM #428
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo3 View Post
      I may have not been clear on my question..

      If i bolt my 16 head on this block with stock internals, will i have a low (lower) compression motor?
      Yes but I dont see why you would do this considering AZG stock pistons are not very robust. Just get the right pistons...

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      11-26-2011 01:12 AM #429
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      Yes but I dont see why you would do this considering AZG stock pistons are not very robust. Just get the right pistons...
      That's what I was wondering too, as how strong the stock internals are. I'm building a boosted motor and its gonna be on MS. This is gonna be my first time messin with standalone and I'm gonna be tuning it myself. So I wanted to run the stock internals just in case I do something wrong and damage the bottom end. I don't wanna damage the good stuff

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      11-26-2011 01:45 PM #430
      im intrested in running a cam in this setup as well. probley just the abf cams from bbm. is there any worry of clearance issues? thanks for you help

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      11-26-2011 06:10 PM #431
      Quote Originally Posted by jjensen View Post
      im intrested in running a cam in this setup as well. probley just the abf cams from bbm. is there any worry of clearance issues? thanks for you help
      Realistically speaking the only thing you are changing is the block . Internally everything is almost identical so if you found cams that would work with 9A pistons in a 9A block then they would also work with 9A pistons in an AZG block.

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      11-26-2011 09:59 PM #432
      will running an aeg block be terrible though due to lack of oil squirters? ive seen it posted on here that the aeg will not be a good choice for a daily driver type engine.

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      11-27-2011 03:11 PM #433
      Quote Originally Posted by jjensen View Post
      will running an aeg block be terrible though due to lack of oil squirters? ive seen it posted on here that the aeg will not be a good choice for a daily driver type engine.
      VW wouldn't have put it out if it was a bad choice for a daily

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      11-27-2011 06:12 PM #434
      Quote Originally Posted by jjensen View Post
      will running an aeg block be terrible though due to lack of oil squirters? ive seen it posted on here that the aeg will not be a good choice for a daily driver type engine.
      You do not *need* oil squirters all though it is recommended. If it that much of an issue any machine shop can install them for around $100 or so.
      We had around 15 AEG blocks that had no oil squirters or M14 coolant feed for a turbocharger and we just had them converted.Not that difficult to do.

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      01-26-2012 01:23 AM #435
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      I'm in the process of researching options for my 90.5 16v GLI. Either the block is cracked or the head gasket is done, i'm getting coolant mixed with oil. That's not the question though. What I want to know is, will this block mount in all the same spots as the original motor? And what will I have to do for engine management?
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      01-26-2012 01:48 AM #436
      Quote Originally Posted by my02VR6 View Post
      Copied from my pm...
      Since I have an AZG in my 90 jetta, I'd say yes. 06x will mount into a mk2.

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      01-26-2012 03:37 AM #437
      Thanks, thats what I was hoping for. I wrote that before reading the whole thread. Your build sounds very nice.
      My goal is to stay as close to stock as possible, but with this block. Reading through this, it seems I should just buy the kit and source my own AZG and rebuild my head. Everything else sounds like it remains stock.

      Is there a serp kit for a/c, p/s and alternator?

      And just to make sure, I can still use my 2y, right? Besides this kit and a block, is there anything else I'll need for a 90 GLI install?
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      01-27-2012 03:37 PM #438
      Quote Originally Posted by my02VR6 View Post
      Is there a serp kit for a/c, p/s and alternator?

      And just to make sure, I can still use my 2y, right? Besides this kit and a block, is there anything else I'll need for a 90 GLI install?
      Use the AZG serpentine belt set up. It will have everything you need.
      You can use the 2Y yes as that will bolt up to the block. Anything else you need? Just the pistons and a rebuild kit.

    19. 02-08-2012 09:58 PM #439
      Hi,

      Loking to build a 2.1L been looking at a few options and since I'm running an 02J regardless of engine This seems like a semi reasonable alreative to the ABA/a6 setup I had previously considered.

      Here's are a few questions that have not be answered.
      1) MK4 tdi is 236mm deck height correct?
      2) what size head blots does it use I know they are larger are they m12?
      3) With the ALH crank what toner ring should be used (ALH or BEW)?

      for reference this is what I have looked into on my math.
      using a 236mm deck height block with 95.5mm crank and 159mm rods and 9A pistons. Now before anyone goes screaming it works.

      9a pistons compression height is 29.6mm. The required compression hieght for same cr in my setup would need to be 29.25, a difference of .35mm or .0138". Same as decking a block the pistons would have more protrusion. This will reduce quish and increase CR. should yield about a static CR of 11.6-8 cr depending on MK4 HG thickness.

      My question is what belt do you use with the taller deck hieght? and are there any other differences besides the oil filter bracket between an MK4 gas and TDi block?

      TIA

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      02-09-2012 12:33 PM #440
      Quote Originally Posted by v86sp View Post
      Here's are a few questions that have not be answered.
      1) MK4 tdi is 236mm deck height correct?
      2) what size head blots does it use I know they are larger are they m12?
      3) With the ALH crank what toner ring should be used (ALH or BEW)?

      for reference this is what I have looked into on my math.
      using a 236mm deck height block with 95.5mm crank and 159mm rods and 9A pistons. Now before anyone goes screaming it works.

      9a pistons compression height is 29.6mm. The required compression hieght for same cr in my setup would need to be 29.25, a difference of .35mm or .0138". Same as decking a block the pistons would have more protrusion. This will reduce quish and increase CR. should yield about a static CR of 11.6-8 cr depending on MK4 HG thickness.

      My question is what belt do you use with the taller deck hieght? and are there any other differences besides the oil filter bracket between an MK4 gas and TDi block?

      TIA
      I will answer this as best as I can:
      1. Correct
      2. M12 x 1.75 - you wont find Head bolts in this length for use with a 16V head. You will find studs but helicoiling and stepping down to a more common size (M11) might be a better choice.
      3. Neither... you can use ABA if you wish.
      4. Problem with 9A pistons on ABA rods is you will need to rebush the rods from 21mm pin to 20mm pin.
      5. You will need to figure out the timing belt on your own , as well as the water pump and deck of the block.
      6. Very big difference between the 2. If you are using an ALH block it will be cheaper for you to use a remote oil filter than trying to adapt another oil filter housing.

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      02-09-2012 05:05 PM #441
      Issam, is an timing belt idler roller including in your kit to increase crank gear wrap? Is it necessary?

      Thanks,
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      02-10-2012 10:07 AM #442
      Quote Originally Posted by elRey View Post
      Issam, is an timing belt idler roller including in your kit to increase crank gear wrap? Is it necessary?

      Thanks,
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      Rey,
      We have one where the OEM 1.8T unit but you can also include one @ the upper right hand corner of the block (where a MKIV engine mount tab once was).

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      02-14-2012 10:46 PM #443
      Guys,
      please ask questions in the thread. Sending me a PM to privately address questions which have been asked in this thread is sellfish. Let others learn and you can as well.
      Thanks

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      03-12-2012 01:00 PM #444
      Kris Clewell shows off his new 06A-16V Motor.

      Quote Originally Posted by Digital K. View Post
      short block showed up from issam at INA engineering on friday. really impressed with everything. I'm not sure what it's going to make for power. I have high hopes though. Any armchair speculation is welcome....Here is the build for the block:

      • JE Forged Pistons - 2618 Alloy - 83.5mm bore w/11.5 CR - 92.8mm stroke (9A)
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      03-19-2012 11:04 PM #445
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      What is the aluminum VW block?
      AXW is one of the codes. From what I understand, there are two aluminum block codes. I haven't figured the other one out yet.
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      03-20-2012 01:06 PM #446
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    28. 03-24-2012 02:23 PM #448
      okay. a hypothetical situation here

      AWM block - bored to max 83mm
      - mk4 aeg 92.8mm stroke crank
      = 2.0L right

      now . . . . . thing is, to run a 16v head or not. as far as flow comparrison to a 20v head, lets just say an aeb head. either one will be ported and polished. but which one flows better at its max?

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      03-25-2012 01:29 AM #449
      Quote Originally Posted by 87wolfsburg View Post
      okay. a hypothetical situation here

      AWM block - bored to max 83mm
      - mk4 aeg 92.8mm stroke crank
      = 2.0L right

      now . . . . . thing is, to run a 16v head or not. as far as flow comparrison to a 20v head, lets just say an aeb head. either one will be ported and polished. but which one flows better at its max?
      The newer the head the better the flow but lets not turn this into a 20V vs 16V head. This set up is for someone who has a 16V engine currently (9A | PL | KR | 6A | ABF | etc) and is looking to move past old school external water pump / IM Shaft to Internal water pump no IM Shaft.

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      04-14-2012 10:35 PM #451
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      This set up is for someone who has a 16V engine currently (9A | PL | KR | 6A | ABF | etc) and is looking to move past old school external water pump / IM Shaft to Internal water pump no IM Shaft.
      I was showed this thread... I feel like it could do dangerous things to me. I have a 16v 9A Jetta, and an ABA Cabrio. I have thought, for my own reasons, of installing one of these "06x" blocks into the Cabrio, possibly with the 16v head, just for fun. Now you've gone and got me thinking, that it is really easy. From my quick rundown of what is compatible, I "should' be able to get an AEG block, and swap the 16v head and 9A internals into it? And then run it on chipped Motronic from the Cabrio. Hmm... Lots of reading will take place shortly
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      04-15-2012 09:54 AM #452
      so im looking at doing something not very many people have done, looking at 16v head onto AVH w/ITB setup any recommendations on getting this thing up and running as far as fuel management goes? Going into Mk4.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NeedBo0st View Post
      so im looking at doing something not very many people have done, looking at 16v head onto AVH w/ITB setup any recommendations on getting this thing up and running as far as fuel management goes? Going into Mk4.
      AVH should be the same as AZG.
      Look above at what Kris has done and what chassis is this going into?

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