06X-16V Hybrid - Thinking about building a new motor? STOP! READ THIS...

[evilrobot0]

yes; it works. in fact there is an AWESOME ABF clone (ABA, ABF pistons, 16V head) on Mot 5.9 FS in the MK3 calssifieds; saw the car in person on Sunday - and its even nicer than the pics.

MK3 guys have been doing 16V head swaps on ABA's for a while now using stock management. C2 even makes a chip for it.

[Justin 123]

I'm getting an AEB block shortly to try this out. This is going to be a slow, as time and money allow, build. I'd like to run a TDI crank with 83.5mm (or bigger if safe) pistons. I need to see if anyone makes stroker 16v pistons or if they have to be made. Ideally I'd like 2.2L at 12:1 compression in an 06x block with a 16V head and MLS head gasket.

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by Justin 123 »

I'm getting an AEB block shortly to try this out. This is going to be a slow, as time and money allow, build. I'd like to run a TDI crank with 83.5mm (or bigger if safe) pistons. I need to see if anyone makes stroker 16v pistons or if they have to be made. Ideally I'd like 2.2L at 12:1 compression in an 06x block with a 16V head and MLS head gasket.

2.2L wont happen with a 95.5 crank BUT you will net 2.1L.
If you need custom pistons I can get them made

[Justin 123]

I was hoping the extra bore would get me close. As far as pistons, we'll have to see how the budget goes. I never really thought about doing anything with an 06x block before you posted this and local has one in stock, so thanks for the inspiration and the new money pit. Haha

[20V_DUBBIN]

will the stock mk2 motor mounts work on the 06x blocks? or is a mk3 subframe needed?

[duke_seb]

the MKII and MKIII have the same mounts.....

not sure if you can put a MKIV 2L block in a MKII or MKIII without fabbing something though

on the MKIIIs the kframe directly supports the motor....

on the MKIV's the frame rails are what supports it...... id have to take a look to see if the blocks have mounting points on them for the older style mounts

[20V_DUBBIN]

hm, that'd probably be the only thing holding me back. i dont want to have to fab my own mounts. thanks man

[G60NUT]

Vary intresting, But my problem is that I've got a 9a/PL G60 setup on mine (16vg60). So my Question is could I run a g-lader bracket on a 06A/06B block?

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by 20V_DUBBIN »

will the stock mk2 motor mounts work on the 06x blocks? or is a mk3 subframe needed?

MKII motor mount brackets bolt up direct to a 06A block.
Seat Ibiza MKIII is a VW Golf MKII with a 06A motor

Quote, originally posted by G60NUT »

Vary intresting, But my problem is that I've got a 9a/PL G60 setup on mine (16vg60). So my Question is could I run a g-lader bracket on a 06A/06B block?

You could if you put it where the AC/COmpressor on the accessory bracket once was.Id love to do something like this for you

[G60NUT]

Quote, originally posted by Issam Abed »

You could if you put it where the AC/COmpressor on the accessory bracket once was.Id love to do something like this for you

Yea My G60 bracket has every thing on it (Alt and G60) would it bolt up or are we talking custom?

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by G60NUT »

Yea My G60 bracket has every thing on it (Alt and G60) would it bolt up or are we talking custom?

Most definitely custom but at least it will be fun

[dubdaze68]

I had a friend try to run an ABF clone on OBDII MkIII Golf wiring and software, it never ran right. He ended up importing an entire Digi3 wiring harness.


Modified by dubdaze68 at 1:39 PM 9-7-2009

[-RalleyTuned-]

do mk1 mounts bolt up?

[Issam Abed]

As soon as I get the parts I am having made/ordered I will be updating this thread

Quote, originally posted by -RalleyTuned- »

do mk1 mounts bolt up?

No but we have a solution for that now

[-RalleyTuned-]

whats that cost? or estimate for cost?

i'm assuming the front mount will work with the 020 trans

[duke_seb]

dammit.. if i knew about this I would have told a friend about it before he hacked his out.... hes shoehorning a VRinto a rabbit

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by -RalleyTuned- »

whats that cost? or estimate for cost? i'm assuming the front mount will work with the 020 trans

We will be selling all 3 mounts for 399 USD + shipping
The mount will come in either 65A durometer or 80A durometer and will surpass what is currently available on the market.

[woodrowstar]

i'm lost... what head gasket and bolts are you suggesting?

[timmy5150]

Any pics of this setup yet?

I think this will be the route I go when it is time for a fresh bottom end...I think my rings are leaking.

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by timmy5150 »

Any pics of this setup yet? I think this will be the route I go when it is time for a fresh bottom end...I think my rings are leaking.

working on getting a valve cover for pics

[timmy5150]

Looking forward to them! Good info BTW! Thanks!

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by woodrowstar »

i'm lost... what head gasket and bolts are you suggesting?

* AEG/AZG head gasket
* ARP head studs

ABF kit adapeted to 06A block.

[-RalleyTuned-]

so what model cars came with these? you said mkIV golf? anything else? i think we are gonna start searching for one of these for our rally car, if we can find a bottom end for a reasonable price

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by -RalleyTuned- »

so what model cars came with these? you said mkIV golf? anything else? i think we are gonna start searching for one of these for our rally car, if we can find a bottom end for a reasonable price

Any MKIV Golf/Jetta 2.0 8V should be an affordable candidate.

[-RalleyTuned-]

alright the search is on!

[#6jettaC]

so could i use a 06x block and internals and bolt a 16v head a top? what would the cr be like? and what head gasket would i use?

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by #6jettaC »

so could i use a 06x block and internals and bolt a 16v head a top? what would the cr be like? and what head gasket would i use?

use your 9A internals and an AZG head gasket.

[Justin 123]

What had to be done to the ABF bracket to make it mount? I should be getting my AEG block shortly and would love you use my ABF setup.

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by Justin 123 »

What had to be done to the ABF bracket to make it mount? I should be getting my AEG block shortly and would love you use my ABF setup.

You need an adapter block and machining of the ABF bracket.
Send me back yours and I will send you a machined one for the cost of machining.

[frrtbkr]

Still to early for me... I can buy 4 ABAs for the price of your 06x mounts alone. There has been ONE MKIV at my local junkyard (I did buy the aluminum valve cover, intake and exhaust manifolds though. )

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by frrtbkr »

Still to early for me... I can buy 4 ABAs for the price of your 06x mounts alone. There has been ONE MKIV at my local junkyard (I did buy the aluminum valve cover, intake and exhaust manifolds though. )

Hey if it works for you then use it

[calituner]

why not just take a 20v head and build it on this block instead of using the old 16v heads? no custom head studs then

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by calituner »

why not just take a 20v head and build it on this block instead of using the old 16v heads? no custom head studs then

Why not swap a full 1.8T motor and done?
Because....some people want to keep there 16V motor.

[Justin 123]

Quote, originally posted by Issam Abed »

Why not swap a full 1.8T motor and done? Because....some people want to keep there 16V motor.

[calituner]

well one of your arguments is to get away from changing pistons with a aba/16v combo in NA applications. im assuming a 20v head on a 06x bottom would yeld a good ratio to run it NA, no? thats why i suggest that.


Modified by calituner at 10:44 AM 9-22-2009