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    1. Member LEWXCORE's Avatar
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      08-29-2009 04:03 AM #1
      I've been piecing the kit together for a while now and getting the car ready for a big turbo setup. Hooked up with Luis @ A&L to install the turbo kit and rods and they finished up today, everything's running real good.

      Unitronic Tune
      South Bend stage 5 clutch
      GT 3071r
      Integrated Engineering rods with calico coated bearings
      ATP turbo kit
      Forge 007 DV with ATP re-route
      RS4 Injectors
      APR fuel pump coming soon
      W/M injection dual nozzle
      Eurojet FMIC kit
      Tial 38mm wastegate- open dump

      Greddy Profec B Spec 2 Electronic Boost controller
      AEM wideband
      N2MB WotBox (flat shift ftmfw)
      BSH motor mounts



      Cell Phone pics.








      Most boost I've run on the setup so far is 28 lbs and I had about an 11.9-12.0 AFR between the RS4 injectors and the meth injection.

      453WHP at 27psi
      466WHP at 29psi

      Two big thumbs up for A&L Performance & Unitronic.




      Modified by LEWXCORE at 3:23 PM 2-1-2010


    2. 08-29-2009 05:05 AM #2
      Dam nice, cant wait to see some numbers!

      pretty sweet setup there in the back seat


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      08-29-2009 05:09 AM #3
      Thanks. I'll report back here as soon as we get some numbers on this baby.

      Instead of lightweight racing seats in the front, I have a light racing bean bag in the back lol. Passengers seem to enjoy it so far, thinking about maybe going big and getting another beanbag.


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      08-29-2009 07:28 AM #4
      if u are ever up near Orlando, hit me up. id love to see this puppy pull.

      btw, balling beanbag man. lol

      nice build.

      btw, what did this all set u back?

      and one last question: N2MB WotBox < wtf? what is this? never heard of it.

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      08-29-2009 12:16 PM #5
      Beautiful car!

      Hey, quick question about the Uni tune, how does the car idle? Silky smoothe I hope


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      08-29-2009 01:03 PM #6
      Lol ok..i visit some friends of mine sometimes at UCF so maybe

      well, i bought:
      ATP kit and injectors used from jc@douglas,
      turbo, clutch, boost controller, FMIC, DV, all used local.

      so i saved alot of money in the end but still when all was said and done it cost me at least a nice 5k to get to this point.

      Quote, originally posted by Krieger »

      and one last question: N2MB WotBox < wtf? what is this? never heard of it.

      google is your friend bro. http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox

      2-step and flat shift. Holding boost while switching gears on a Manual Transmission is sweet, especially on a larger turbo


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      08-29-2009 01:20 PM #7
      The Unitronic tune is great! I'm so glad I went with uni in the end. Idle is very smooth, runs nice and lean when cruising.
      I averaged about 36-37 mpg at 75 mph on the highway yesterday.
      And the tune is just asking for as much boost as I want to throw at it.

      I was running revo stage 2+ before and the upgrade to a big turbo file would have been pretty cheap.

      But ultimately biting the bullet on the Unitronic tune to make real power was so worth it.

      Coming this far and having a revo file that limited the setup to stock rods safety territory was not happening for me.

      No hard feelings for revo though. chris@revo has been very helpful whenever I had a question about anything. And my stage 2+ car with ripping on everyone elses stage 2+ car with revo


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      08-29-2009 02:20 PM #8
      nice dude we need to post some dyno vids

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      08-29-2009 03:59 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »
      The Unitronic tune is great! I'm so glad I went with uni in the end. Idle is very smooth, runs nice and lean when cruising.
      I averaged about 36-37 mpg at 75 mph on the highway yesterday.
      And the tune is just asking for as much boost as I want to throw at it.

      I was running revo stage 2+ before and the upgrade to a big turbo file would have been pretty cheap.

      But ultimately biting the bullet on the Unitronic tune to make real power was so worth it.

      Coming this far and having a revo file that limited the setup to stock rods safety territory was not happening for me.

      No hard feelings for revo though. chris@revo has been very helpful whenever I had a question about anything. And my stage 2+ car with ripping on everyone elses stage 2+ car with revo

      shoulda coulda woulda


    10. 08-30-2009 02:34 AM #10
      Congrats!

      You got the same BT setup as me, and i have the unitronic BT software as well.

      It would be better to see some data log here, do you log CF(020)? does the timing retard much? and wht fuel do you run?93 or 91?

      My tune from mike is getting too much cf retard, like -7, -8. i put shell vpower already, it still got the same retard number. Now Mike is asking me to get a meth kit to solve the problem.

      i just want to know if you get the same problem as we have same BT setUP.

      Enjoy your cAR~!


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      08-30-2009 10:59 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by smartyin »
      Congrats!

      You got the same BT setup as me, and i have the unitronic BT software as well.

      It would be better to see some data log here, do you log CF(020)? does the timing retard much? and wht fuel do you run?93 or 91?

      My tune from mike is getting too much cf retard, like -7, -8. i put shell vpower already, it still got the same retard number. Now Mike is asking me to get a meth kit to solve the problem.

      i just want to know if you get the same problem as we have same BT setUP.

      Enjoy your cAR~!

      how much boost are you running, any faults, I had the same problem and it was a intank apr pump that failed on me


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      08-30-2009 12:13 PM #12
      Quote, originally posted by smartyin »
      Congrats!

      You got the same BT setup as me, and i have the unitronic BT software as well.

      It would be better to see some data log here, do you log CF(020)? does the timing retard much? and wht fuel do you run?93 or 91?

      My tune from mike is getting too much cf retard, like -7, -8. i put shell vpower already, it still got the same retard number. Now Mike is asking me to get a meth kit to solve the problem.

      i just want to know if you get the same problem as we have same BT setUP.

      Enjoy your cAR~!

      I always run 93 octane and water/meth which raises the octane more obviously. The meth will defiinitely help.

      We're planning on doing some logs soon at the shop and then we'll see what's going on with the car.


    13. 08-30-2009 12:22 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Luis@ALP-racing »

      how much boost are you running, any faults, I had the same problem and it was a intank apr pump that failed on me


      there have 2 DTC i always got, for the N249 Code below is solved already. For the system too rich wolud come one times aweek..
      i think after i get the meth kit, the rich code would be solve.

      008568 - Bank 1; System Too Rich off Idle
      P2178 - 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

      008801 - Boost Pressure Control Valve (N249): Mechanical Malfunction
      P2261 - 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

      For the boost, i was running 23 psi, but for safety, mikez just advised me to run 15psi before i get meth kit. but i don't feel it is much better than runing 23psi.

      I don't know if it is the pump fail like you, but mikez is quite firm the CF retard is related to the fuel qulity(i am runing shell V-power already).

      Anyway, i ordered a apr fuel pump already, and i am runing AWE rebuil kit.


      Modified by smartyin at 8:27 AM 8/30/2009


    14. 08-30-2009 12:26 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »

      I always run 93 octane and water/meth which raises the octane more obviously. The meth will defiinitely help.

      We're planning on doing some logs soon at the shop and then we'll see what's going on with the car.

      Yes, looking for your log. it is very important to data log to make sure your car is happy with the software. because i felt my car is very strong and power with first software from mike, after i logged it, it it got alot DTC and is too rich...(CF retard get me crazy...)


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      08-30-2009 04:28 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by smartyin »

      there have 2 DTC i always got, for the N249 Code below is solved already. For the system too rich wolud come one times aweek..
      i think after i get the meth kit, the rich code would be solve.

      008568 - Bank 1; System Too Rich off Idle
      P2178 - 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

      008801 - Boost Pressure Control Valve (N249): Mechanical Malfunction
      P2261 - 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

      For the boost, i was running 23 psi, but for safety, mikez just advised me to run 15psi before i get meth kit. but i don't feel it is much better than runing 23psi.

      I don't know if it is the pump fail like you, but mikez is quite firm the CF retard is related to the fuel qulity(i am runing shell V-power already).

      Anyway, i ordered a apr fuel pump already, and i am runing AWE rebuil kit.


      Modified by smartyin at 8:27 AM 8/30/2009

      run it of the wastegate spring first see how boost u got, fix ur faults first then run logs if u have a chance send me some logs I can help I fix some of ur problems


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      08-30-2009 08:25 PM #16
      one question how do you like the ATP kit?// does it come with intructions like the Apr gt28 kit. im thinking bout piecing one of these together in my garage hopefully next summer....

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      08-30-2009 09:09 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by eatmorice »
      one question how do you like the ATP kit?// does it come with intructions like the Apr gt28 kit. im thinking bout piecing one of these together in my garage hopefully next summer....

      I don't know, I bought it used from another member and did not include instructions. Like i wrote in the OP, the install was done by A&L.

      The ATP kit is good for my goals. The cast log-style manifold is not the greatest thing in the world, but it does the job and still makes power.

      One thing to note is that the oil return line that runs right under the turbo is prone to failure from all the heat. Previous owner of my kit replaced his with that blue heater hose you see in the picture of the turbo kit all over the floor.

      Lastly, the only thing that's concerning me for now is under-hood temps. this thing gets real hot under the hood for now and I'm considering getting a turbo blanket or something before things melt.


    18. 08-31-2009 01:24 AM #18
      Quote, originally posted by Luis@ALP-racing »

      run it of the wastegate spring first see how boost u got, fix ur faults first then run logs if u have a chance send me some logs I can help I fix some of ur problems

      could you PM your email address? i would like to send you some logs.
      and i tried to run off the EBC, it can reach up to 2 bar....scary


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      08-31-2009 01:35 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by smartyin »

      could you PM your email address? i would like to send you some logs.
      and i tried to run off the EBC, it can reach up to 2 bar....scary

      info@alp-racing.com


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      08-31-2009 01:48 AM #20
      A little update:

      I'm noticing things getting pretty damn hot under the hood after running the car hard, so once I get some more funds together for the car i'll probably be getting something like this to keep those underhood temps down.

      Had some free time tonight so I wrapped up the downpipe and dump tube with some exhaust wrap I had laying around in my garage. Best i could do with jack stands by myself and used exhaust wrap, but it didn't come out too bad



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      08-31-2009 11:29 AM #21
      Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »
      A little update:

      I'm noticing things getting pretty damn hot under the hood after running the car hard, so once I get some more funds together for the car i'll probably be getting something like this to keep those underhood temps down.

      Had some free time tonight so I wrapped up the downpipe and dump tube with some exhaust wrap I had laying around in my garage. Best i could do with jack stands by myself and used exhaust wrap, but it didn't come out too bad



      looking good


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      08-31-2009 12:52 PM #22
      nice dude!

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      09-01-2009 01:52 AM #23
      i just came

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      09-03-2009 06:31 PM #24
      keep the updates coming guys. good work!

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      what intake is that?

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      09-04-2009 03:02 AM #26
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      what intake is that?

      That's the ATP 3" intake that comes with their big turbo kit. The little piece that turns towards the fender at the end is a little custom bit that jc@douglas added to it.


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      09-04-2009 11:15 AM #27
      surprised arin@apr hasnt tried to sell you some software lol

    28. 09-05-2009 12:34 PM #28
      hit the dyno yet?

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      09-05-2009 10:02 PM #29
      No man, the weather's been terrible this past week haven't even thought about going down there yet. Hopefully will go this coming week. Will keep you guys posted for when I get the dyno done.

    30. 09-06-2009 06:28 AM #30
      Nice build
      Same turbo-kit im running on mine
      It really kicks ass - and not many can follow you!
      Mine made 500+HP and 475+LB/FT on pure 93octane without meth
      So get this baby measured asap!

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      09-06-2009 12:25 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by marc1171 »
      Nice build
      Same turbo-kit im running on mine
      It really kicks ass - and not many can follow you!
      Mine made 500+HP and 475+LB/FT on pure 93octane without meth
      So get this baby measured asap!

      crank horse power or to the wheels? Is it even safe to run that much boost with no meth or race gas?? sounds dangerous man..I'm shooting for 450whp. Doubt I will make 500WHP unless I can get a file to run more aggressive timing and run at least 28+ psi. I wonder if fueling will allow for that though.


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      09-06-2009 12:59 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by LEWXCORE »

      crank horse power or to the wheels? Is it even safe to run that much boost with no meth or race gas?? sounds dangerous man..I'm shooting for 450whp. Doubt I will make 500WHP unless I can get a file to run more aggressive timing and run at least 28+ psi. I wonder if fueling will allow for that though.

      IMO I dont think there more that 430ish whp fueling with rs4 injectors and upgraded intank pump and or course a HPFP upgrade unless you use a secondary fueling source .

      This is with a Safe A/F with aggressive tune. Bob.G

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
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      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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      09-06-2009 01:40 PM #33
      I read of 470whp limit of rs4 and APR injectors.
      marc reached 500 crank hp as far as I know and could go 2 bar because of dropping the CR to 9.5:1.

      BTW: "APRs" Supercopa killer made more than 430 whp without a secondary fueling source. The only thing I don´t understand how the lpfp can be able to support 500hp ?! I have seens K04´s with fueling issues when fuel tank was more than 1/2 empty.


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      09-06-2009 01:46 PM #34
      the intank doesn't have to be changed to make that much power if you're on stock compression.

      people make more than 430 with rs4's and meth, before the in-tank solution or any 5th injectors. Remember that the water/meth injection richens up the ratio as well.


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      09-06-2009 01:47 PM #35
      I think we talked about pump gas only...

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