2871R or 50 Trim

[Big_Tom]

The car is being built to run in a specific class where you must be 2200+ lbs

I think racing other people is much more exciting than racing against yourself

so go make your own build thread and stop trolling mine

[Rod Ratio]

^^^^ Richie's idea of a "Drag Race"

[Three3Se7en]

Gangnam style! Sexy lady!

[Big_Tom]

I call treadstone up about this mishap... the guy tries to tell me the 1.8t is a 16v and they sent me the correct manifold at first. and then goes on to tell me about the 25% percent restocking fee i sent the mani back today, these fools owe me a full refund... i should haggle them about me having to pay return shipping for this $hit as well. these guys are clueless

[Vegeta Gti]

did you talk to Jason like i said. i have only dealt with him, because he had a clue.

don't let one idiot ruin everything. if you do then i consider this entire forum worthy of a horrible demise immediately lol

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[Big_Tom]

did you talk to Jason like i said. i have only dealt with him, because he had a clue.

don't let one idiot ruin everything. if you do then i consider this entire forum worthy of a horrible demise immediately lol

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i didn't ask his name. i was just calling to confirm the return shipping address and make sure they would issue a refund. i was sucked into the small talk

[Big_Tom]

A little update... I called up treadstone about the refund issue and i was told i'd be getting a full refund... They did not refund my original shipping charges. So I am going to have to call them again on Monday and bitch about this. It's funny they expect me to pay for them to ship a damaged part totally different than what i ordered Not to mention shipping back to them was only $12.xx when I paid $22.xx for shipping to me

Aside from that I pulled the kinetic o2 pipe off my car today... I don't even know where to start with that piece...







Notice the nice burn on my firewall...

[doug@frankenturbo.com]

Good grief. How did that happen?

I have always suspected heat wrap could lead to damaging the metal beneath. Hmmm.

[Big_Tom]

Good grief. How did that happen?

I have always suspected heat wrap could lead to damaging the metal beneath. Hmmm.

LOL! It's not the heat wrap. I had that wg section repaired once before i ever heat wrapped the o2 pipe. i ran for 6 or 8 months with no heat wrap and no blanket on turbo. had have the wg reroute repaired once during that time frame

[Rod Ratio]

Damn.. That pipe didn't hold up at all

[Big_Tom]

Damn.. That pipe didn't hold up at all

Nope it sure didnt....

[Vegeta Gti]

Good grief. How did that happen?

I have always suspected heat wrap could lead to damaging the metal beneath. Hmmm.

five years with my dp, wg feed,wg dump and a majority of my exhaust wrapped. no issues. hand tig'd 304 SS vbanded on the garage floor

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[Big_Tom]

five years with my dp, wg feed,wg dump and a majority of my exhaust wrapped. no issues. hand tig'd 304 SS vbanded on the garage floor

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if it's made right it won't crack... exhaust wrap or not

[sabbySC]

Look at that pure garbage repair job, enough said.

[Rod Ratio]

Look at that pure garbage repair job, enough said.

Shouldn't have had to be repaired in the first place. CTS kit is junk as delivered. Tom's getting a REAL dp fab'd by Arnold now.

[sabbySC]

Shouldn't have had to be repaired in the first place. CTS kit is junk as delivered. Tom's getting a REAL dp fab'd by Arnold now.

Says you.

Toms kit was bought used. What motor mounts has his kit been run with? How about the guy that had it before him? I'd say stuffs going to break in time if it is exposed to excessive stress. If the down pipe didn't break than maybe the flex pipe would, than you could say, such and such exhaust is crap.


The kit is fine, you've got to use your head and ask why it broke in the first place.

[Rod Ratio]

Says you.

Toms kit was bought used. What motor mounts has his kit been run with? How about the guy that had it before him? I'd say stuffs going to break in time if it is exposed to excessive stress. If the down pipe didn't break than maybe the flex pipe would, than you could say, such and such exhaust is crap.


The kit is fine, you've got to use your head and ask why it broke in the first place.

Its just a poor design. The Turbo is in a terrible location that holds heat in the bay, and that corny up pipe that loops around like a 1970's Hooker earing before it TAPERS to a restriction at the turbine outlet. Its just plain schit.

Don't even get me started on how you have to heat shield, and wrap every damn thing, and it STILL torches the bay. Heck they don't even supply proper supply and drain lines.

Im pretty sure Tom has density line mounts too.

[sabbySC]

Its just a poor design. The Turbo is in a terrible location that holds heat in the bay, and that corny up pipe that loops around like a 1970's Hooker earing before it TAPERS to a restriction at the turbine outlet. Its just plain schit.

Don't even get me started on how you have to heat shield, and wrap every damn thing, and it STILL torches the bay. Heck they don't even supply proper supply and drain lines.

Im pretty sure Tom has density line mounts too.

He didn't have those mounts the whole time. As stated who knows what the person before was running.

My supply and drain lines worked and fit flawlessly, even when I went from a 50t to 3071 my lines still worked and fit without issue. My engine bay isn't very hot and I still run my hood blanket. I do have everything heat wrapped, and I run a turbo blanket, without that it did get hot.

Just run your setup and be happy with it. Every setup has its strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone's got their own opinion. I don't really see much need to go on and on about how you think the cuts setup doesn't meet your standard, nothing constructive comes from this approach.

[Big_Tom]

Look at that pure garbage repair job, enough said.

the repair job is not pretty, i never said it was. with that being said I have BFI stg 1 mounts... it's in my sig and pics in this thread... AND my ebay downpipe has managed to hold up 5+ years without multiple cracks

Shouldn't have had to be repaired in the first place. CTS kit is junk as delivered. Tom's getting a REAL dp fab'd by Arnold now.

ur right it should not have had to be repaired in the 1st place. hence the reason why i'm not having it repaired again

[Big_Tom]

He didn't have those mounts the whole time. As stated who knows what the person before was running.

My supply and drain lines worked and fit flawlessly, even when I went from a 50t to 3071 my lines still worked and fit without issue. My engine bay isn't very hot and I still run my hood blanket. I do have everything heat wrapped, and I run a turbo blanket, without that it did get hot.

Just run your setup and be happy with it. Every setup has its strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone's got their own opinion. I don't really see much need to go on and on about how you think the cuts setup doesn't meet your standard, nothing constructive comes from this approach.

yah, the temps are fine on my car as well with the blanket and wrap. i did buy my kit used and did not get the fancy ss braided oil return like, it came with a rubber/silicone line. I did not have my mounts the entire time, no BUT i have had them on for over a year. when i posted all that dyno stuff back in feb or april this year, the o2 pipe was not broken like this or falling apart.. i've had all upgraded mounts since before them, it should not be falling apart now

[Big_Tom]

BTW that o2 pipe is for sale... $495 OBO

[formerly silveratljetta]

Its just a poor design. The Turbo is in a terrible location that holds heat in the bay, and that corny up pipe that loops around like a 1970's Hooker earing before it TAPERS to a restriction at the turbine outlet. Its just plain schit.

Don't even get me started on how you have to heat shield, and wrap every damn thing, and it STILL torches the bay. Heck they don't even supply proper supply and drain lines.

I completely agree. Let's face it, the CTS kit is designed for people who already have the basic 1.8t bolt ons and are just entering the BT market. It's great for people who want to reuse their stock downpipe and whatever intercooler kit they bought for their stock turbo.

It works great for marketing but not so great in practice as other designs have proven to be more reliable.

Tom I hope arnold can set you up with a proper downpipe that can take some abuse

[sabbySC]

I completely agree. Let's face it, the CTS kit is designed for people who already have the basic 1.8t bolt ons and are just entering the BT market. It's great for people who want to reuse their stock downpipe and whatever intercooler kit they bought for their stock turbo.

It works great for marketing but not so great in practice as other designs have proven to be more reliable.

Tom I hope arnold can set you up with a proper downpipe that can take some abuse

I don't know, just post up your dynos and stop being whiny bitches. Prove your setups are so vastly superior instead of constantly chucking chit.

It just comes across as some sort of need for a handfull of users of other kits who need to prove their own manly hood by putting down others. It's like we have a bunch nasa engineers in here

[formerly silveratljetta]

I don't know, just post up your dynos and stop being whiny bitches. Prove your setups are so vastly superior instead of constantly chucking chit.

It just comes across as some sort of need for a handfull of users of other kits who need to prove their own manly hood by putting down others. It's like we have a bunch nasa engineers in here

I had a CTS mani for a little less than a year. The manifold held up fine. Thankfully I had a custom vbanded downpipe and never had to deal with any of these issues

[Vegeta Gti]

i've installed plenty CTS kits..i think their weak. could be so much better, but their 1.8t stuff is changing with the kinetic **** being mixed in...**** all of their stuff is changing, but as stated previously. this isn't the first crackec,broken,etc DP or feed pipe from CTS i've seen take a dump.


pagparts is always going to be superior because it is a fabricator making a setup that is a bit more specific and always using quality material for each build instead of just making a KIT to sell.

DIY or die i say lol


btw, sabby what did you put down?

[sabbySC]

btw, sabby what did you put down?

343whp @ 24psi on the 50t, stock intake, stock tb (dynoject)

324whp @ 20psi on the 3071 sem intake, 70mm tb (dyno dynamics) I wasn't able to up my boost as on that day my ebc decided to take a dump and not work.

I don't get dyno queen numbers out of my setup but I attribute alot of that to the fact I run a stock head and cams.

[Vegeta Gti]

dynodynamics are the way to go.


i don't think the stock head has anything to do with it. i made 406@25psi on 92 with a completely stock AWP head and a crappy smallport homebrew manifold that couldn't stay together and an 80mm tb.

there is power in there, just gotta work it out!

[sabbySC]

I'm at 3600ft above sea level as well, I'm going to try dynoing somewhere closer to sea level next year and see what kind of affect that has on things.

I also run a cat which I have been told definately hurts my dyno results.

[Vegeta Gti]

i had a cat in as well, i took it out on a run after that, same output lol. it isn't a huge gain..2-5whp tops if it's a high flow, double that is it's an OEM.

being sealevel will def push you closer to 375-380

[Big_Tom]

343whp @ 24psi on the 50t, stock intake, stock tb (dynoject)

324whp @ 20psi on the 3071 sem intake, 70mm tb (dyno dynamics) I wasn't able to up my boost as on that day my ebc decided to take a dump and not work.

I don't get dyno queen numbers out of my setup but I attribute alot of that to the fact I run a stock head and cams.

i think those are respectable numbers, especially for being at altitude

[Vegeta Gti]

they most definetely are

[sabbySC]

Why thanks


edit - I spelled why wrong, lol

[Big_Tom]

Whay thanks

[Big_Tom]

A few things showed up in the mail today... Should have my turbo kit back from Pagparts Friday or Monday

[Dave926]

Can't wait to see how this ends up