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      09-12-2009 09:52 PM #26
      omar you need to run a dbb chra cause the poor journal bearings overheat at over 25psi. Main reason why you dont see too many high hp journal 50trim dynos.


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    2. 09-12-2009 09:53 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by 20aeman »
      I think the difference between a 50 trim and 30r on pump gas is going to be minimal. To get your money's worth on the 30r, you really have to run race gas and turn the boost up. For comparison's sake, here is a dbb 50 trim vs. hta30r...sort of apples and oranges, as the 50 trim setup has a set of cams and runs 1 psi more boost...but whatever (even then, the price difference between an hta30r and a dbb 50trim is a nice set of cams)

      99.9% of the people are running journal bearing 50trims. The journal bearings are going to eat up a good % of the power along with adding lag compared to the dbb version. Also, the 3076r is rated 52lbs/min where the 50trim is i believe 46lbs/min, thats about 60hp less. Most people will be running both in the 20-23psi range on pump and that would be worth a good 20whp min. But you are correct, when the 30r is pushed towards 30psi, it really shines

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      09-12-2009 09:54 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by AL@PagParts.com »
      omar you need to run a dbb chra cause the poor journal bearings overheat at over 25psi

      Well, I ain't gonna fix it if it ain't broke. So I'm gonna break it so I can go dbb.
      but I'm sure with decent ve, the journal 50 will make 400 wheel at <25psi.


      Modified by 20aeman at 6:56 PM 9-12-2009

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      09-12-2009 09:55 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by 20aeman &raquo;
      Well, I ain't gonna fix it if it ain't broke. So I'm gonna break it so I can go dbb.

      Now you're talking . But when you want to start making some serious power w/ journals, you have to get bigger wheels to reduce shaft speeds and increase flow. Or run bigger motors..



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      09-12-2009 10:05 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by AL@PagParts.com &raquo;
      Now you're talking . But when you want to start making some serious power w/ journals, you have to get bigger wheels to reduce shaft speeds and increase flow. Or run bigger motors..
      Modified by AL@PagParts.com at 7:00 PM 9-12-2009

      Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. We'll see how this sucker will hold up. DBB will take me 30 minutes to install anyways, when this thing eats it.

    6. 09-13-2009 01:03 AM #31
      Quote, originally posted by 20aeman &raquo;
      people don't see 400whp on 50 trims because that's usually a budget turbo on budget builds. Nobody ever sticks a set of cams on, or an intake manifold, or runs race gas/e85/meth etc. They take a stock smallport, throw rods on it, and crank the boost up...even then, they hit respectable numbers in the high 300 range.
      Here is a non budget 50 trim build....almost 500awhp...AWHP..probably translate to 550whp on a fwd:

      well thats the thing, I was going for what he said "rods" not cams or intake or that stuff
      good stuff tho
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      seriously, you are 21 years old, and a male, please stop typing like a 12 year old girl....

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      09-13-2009 04:47 PM #32
      How would an internal wg 50 trim be? Has anybody ever ran one? I've never had a problem with internal wastegate turbos and i'd like to stick with that if possible.
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    8. 09-14-2009 11:25 AM #33
      Get a EWG for the noise they sound so sick. I wish my 3071 was ewg....:/

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      09-14-2009 11:35 AM #34
      i was trying not to switch to external wg because i have never used them before. and i dont like the idea of them making my car loud as hell. even if i did switch to external wg, i'd still have my dump tube put back into the downpipe
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    10. 09-14-2009 11:52 AM #35
      an external will regulate psi better. If you plan on keeping the psi up on the 50trim, an internal should be fine. Its when you run to low of psi that it can cause issues


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      09-14-2009 12:05 PM #36
      Quote, originally posted by Big_Tom &raquo;
      i was trying not to switch to external wg because i have never used them before. and i dont like the idea of them making my car loud as hell. even if i did switch to external wg, i'd still have my dump tube put back into the downpipe

      Hi Big tom, im at 320+whp so far at 19-20psi on a small GT28RS turbo, its a lot of fun and im going to see if 340-350whp is possible very soon, but durable and possible it is, and even more with a GT2871r of course, but if your end goal is 320-350whp then the route i have taken is fun and possible, but expensive as well...
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      09-14-2009 12:22 PM #37
      The 2871R is a great turbo. My old Pag Parts setup made 332whp and 321wtq @23psi on pump gas, stock AWP head and intake manifold, using a Eurodyne 630 file. Only put a set of IE rods in it. Motor and turbo have over 28,000 miles on them now and are now in my brother in laws 2004 A4 Q. We have meth on his set up now and that car screams! the response is great and recovery between shifts is top notch. The turbo is a T25 GT2871R .64 internally gated. I can't comment on the 50 trim as I have never had an oppertunity to use one.

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      09-14-2009 12:24 PM #38
      Quote, originally posted by 20aeman &raquo;
      DBB will take me 30 minutes to install anyways, when this thing eats it.
      Isn't the DBB 50 trim a water cooled center section?
      maybe I'm a whiny little biotch, but going from -not- running water lines on the 50 trim to running -an hardlines for the water feed/return on a 3076 turned out to be a pain in my butt.. and took much longer than 30 minutes
      I used to be able to swap out exhaust housings in ~ 30 minutes on the old 50 trim though I'm sure you can too
      stock turbo 1.8t.. damn 2-year CA smog.. :/

    14. 09-14-2009 02:02 PM #39
      they do come water cooled

    15. 09-14-2009 02:42 PM #40
      I made 379whp on a 50trim and 346torque at 23 PSI its a great turbo. The only thing is in between shifts. I have Meth as well and its 5 degree advanced without issues...

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      02-21-2010 11:55 AM #41
      Just So The World Knows, I Went 50 Trim... no dyno numbers yet but hopefully soon


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    18. 03-25-2010 07:37 AM #43
      Quote, originally posted by Big_Tom &raquo;
      Just So The World Knows, I Went 50 Trim... no dyno numbers yet but hopefully soon

      Modified by Big_Tom at 11:56 AM 2-21-2010

      Ha Ha...all those 2871 recommendations and you went 50trim anyway.
      get some dynos up

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      03-25-2010 07:49 AM #44
      Haha I'm working in getting a clutch now. The. Stock one definitely is not holding the power. Other than that I have a communication problem with my ecu. I have been trying to figure it out for weeks now. Nobodys vagcom or scanners will connect to it. I will dyno and hit the track with the homie Blu Pearl when I get these issues sorted out.


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      03-25-2010 12:07 PM #45
      Ball bearings and external gates!!!!!

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      12-29-2011 06:42 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by TheZooKeeper View Post
      Ball bearings and external gates!!!!!
      I def love the Tial 38mm, its reliable and hasnt given me a problem since day 1.
      journal bearing is str8. every intake mod i do seems to help the 50 trim spool better. as it sits right now with no exhaust leaks and a better intercooler, boost comes on nice. after i get the bottom end squared away and the abd intake mani on theres a possiblilty i may get a Garrett DBB 50 trim just because So far the setup has been reliable, I've got around 40 to 45k miles on it daily driven
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      As it sits right now























      ^^My turbo is on the left
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      Couple More "in depth" pics

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      Last edited by Big_Tom; 01-12-2012 at 09:36 AM.
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      01-01-2012 03:08 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by One-Eight GTI View Post
      Your oil pan looks brand new, Which one is that?? ECS hybrid??? Gonna get a hybrid for next summer when engine is out, Too many close calls with my factory oil pan

      ^^^ Thanks It's the ECS hybrid pan and is 2 years old now It's an awesome pan especially for $79
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