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    Thread: Maestro 7 Tuning: FAQ, DIY, hard data, and advice thread

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      10-22-2009 11:46 AM #51
      Don't assume
      I have both units and maestro is far superior

    2. 10-22-2009 11:48 AM #52
      Quote, originally posted by VRT »
      Don't assume
      I have both units and maestro is far superior

      im not assuming.how is maestro far superior?i gotta hear this one

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      10-22-2009 11:49 AM #53
      Quote, originally posted by blackedoutaudi »
      its only worth it for them.it you had anything bigger,and wanted to make the most power and have the most tuning capabilities,you would go with a "real" stand alone system as they have far more options for more precise tuning.it wouldnt be a generic map as everyones car/setup is different

      The most powerful 1.8T in North America used this tuning software.. This offers all the benefits of standalone, without having to create the base map, and also offers the added bonus of being able to pass OBD2 readiness testing.. Not to mention an added safety margin by retaining the factory knock sensors..

    4. 10-22-2009 11:50 AM #54
      Maestro is great for any turbo...
      They send you a base tune (aka generic) so for example if you are running a GT 35r on a fully built 2.0L, they will send you their tune for that to start off with, but if you eventually want to upgrade cams, intake manifold, or run w/m injection you can do all the modifying of your tune with this program.
      Sure if you are running a full blown race setup standalone would probably be better, but think of this as better than a flash, and almost the same as a standalone, there is so much inside the programing that you can change. Hope that helps.
      Edit: For 99 percent of the cars that are running BT and plan on making changes in the future this will cover it all.


      Modified by ethorman at 8:52 AM 10-22-2009

    5. 10-22-2009 11:54 AM #55
      Quote, originally posted by ethorman »
      Sure if you are running a full blown race setup standalone would probably be better, but think of this as better than a flash, and almost the same as a standalone, there is so much inside the programing that you can change. Hope that helps.

      Modified by ethorman at 8:52 AM 10-22-2009

      does it have adaptive mapping?

    6. 10-22-2009 11:57 AM #56
      Quote, originally posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers »
      ONE OF The most powerful 1.8Ts in North America used this tuning software.. This offers all the benefits of standalone, without having to create the base map, and also offers the added bonus of being able to pass OBD2 readiness testing.. Not to mention an added safety margin by retaining the factory knock sensors..
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      10-22-2009 12:00 PM #57
      Quote, originally posted by blackedoutaudi »
      does it have adaptive mapping?
      The factory Bosch ME7 has adaptive mapping.. Standalone doesn't adapt to anything.. With standalone you must make changes yourself for air temp, density, etc.. So if you have an upgraded tune Via Maestro, the ecu will automaticly adapt for temp/ density changes, etc.. Just like stock, but applied to the new programming..

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      10-22-2009 12:01 PM #58
      Quote, originally posted by blackedoutaudi »
      im not assuming.how is maestro far superior?i gotta hear this one

      I am going to chime in here. First off the Eurodyne Maestro system appears to have it all...
      But to me there are 5 distinct advantages of running a Eurodyne Maestro setup vs. standalone.
      1. Standalones do not come with a base tune / map. So the average joe tuner can modify from an incredible starting point.
      2. There is no need for any plug and play harness or splicing of wiring etc..
      3. Allows for most if not all of a standalones potential with a stock ECU and ahemm... Can be used in California's infamous smog checks. (I am not aware of any standalones that have passed Cali smog. Please correct me if I am wrong)
      4. Price. I don't believe that there are any standalones for under maestros price point.
      5. Eurodyne has made it incredibly easy is it to customize what you wish to eliminate or include with regards to eliminating CEL's due to Evap, cat and other related items.
      Not trying to argue with anyone just pointing out my opinions on why I would rather and do plan on going with Eurodyne's Maestro over a standalone.
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      10-22-2009 12:13 PM #59
      well said

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      10-22-2009 12:30 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by sledge0001 »
      Eurodyne Maestro setup vs. standalone.

      You are forgetting one of the most important features of ME-7 vs Standalone....
      *** knock sensing ***
      I have yet to meet someone with an standalone system that has been able to effectively tune there engine for knock without blowing it up.Even if you went with a Motec and asked for the assisstance with knock tuning,they would say sure np but you would need to send them a replica motor to blow up
      For the ME5.8 guys and lower,they really only have 2 choices:
      1. ME-7 conversion
      2. Standalone
      but if you are a 2001+ MKIV or Audi B5/B6 then definitely a "chip tune" is the way to go. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      10-22-2009 12:30 PM #61
      stock ecu uses a wideband o2 to constantly hit target afrs.
      with a standalone, you spend hours on the dyno making sure you're close. Any minor changes in your setup, weather, or gasoline will alter your tune. You'll have to frequently "optimize".
      Stock ecu has 12 degrees of timing correction, dual knock sensors that count knock per individual cylinder. I know some standalones can do this...but none of them as reliably and as easily as the stock ecu.
      When you take those two and add them together, you get an ecu that does a hell of a lot to protect the motor. I've never seen a wideband me7 car blowup due to a bad tune. I've seen plenty of standalones do that though....on an almost regular basis.

    12. 10-22-2009 01:41 PM #62
      Quote, originally posted by DarkSideGTI »
      Does your stand alone work with DBW? And you can pass readiness tests with it?

      you have to convert to DBC with isnt hard,034 sells the pedal conversion,all you have to do is supply ur own tb and throttle cable...and i stated that the only advantage of the maestro is that it retains the obdII.mine does not.i also said theres no inspection in my state,so i use it on the street also without any worries

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      10-22-2009 01:43 PM #63
      Last warning, folks.
      No. More. Arguing.
      This is a FAQ / DIY thread for Maestro.
      If you want to discuss other standalone systems, go elsewhere.

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      10-22-2009 01:47 PM #64
      Please quit de-railing this topic..
      L88m22vette put a lot of work into creating this informative thread for those interested in the Eurodyne Maestro Suite..
      One of the other users was nice enough to post a thread for you to talk about this in... Please use it..

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      10-22-2009 02:18 PM #65
      wait hold on. so we can't discuss why the maestro is great as a plug and play setup with standalone capabilities. so we can't compare in this thread?
      i believe i am saving up for this. i def think it's amazing, i love my uni and some of the things uni has done for me. but the price and ease of maestro is just more and more tempting.
      from a dealer aspect, is there a dealer option available for maestro, so i can have my personal separate from my dealer maestro?? if there such a thing.
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    16. 10-22-2009 02:22 PM #66
      Quote, originally posted by sledge0001 »
      I am going to chime in here. First off the Eurodyne Maestro system appears to have it all...
      But to me there are 5 distinct advantages of running a Eurodyne Maestro setup vs. standalone.
      1. Standalones do not come with a base tune / map. So the average joe tuner can modify from an incredible starting point.
      2. There is no need for any plug and play harness or splicing of wiring etc..
      3. Allows for most if not all of a standalones potential with a stock ECU and ahemm... Can be used in California's infamous smog checks. (I am not aware of any standalones that have passed Cali smog. Please correct me if I am wrong)
      4. Price. I don't believe that there are any standalones for under maestros price point.
      5. Eurodyne has made it incredibly easy is it to customize what you wish to eliminate or include with regards to eliminating CEL's due to Evap, cat and other related items.
      Not trying to argue with anyone just pointing out my opinions on why I would rather and do plan on going with Eurodyne's Maestro over a standalone.

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    17. 10-22-2009 02:55 PM #67
      nice work.

    18. 10-22-2009 03:43 PM #68
      Great post Eric [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    19. 10-22-2009 08:58 PM #69
      ok so im confused now


      Modified by sound-speed-style at 6:28 PM 10-22-2009

    20. 10-22-2009 09:04 PM #70
      what all cel's can you get rid off with this

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      10-22-2009 09:17 PM #71
      Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »
      what all cel's can you get rid off with this

      honestly it's probably best if you tell everyone what you're trying to get rid of/avoid because there's just so much.

    22. 10-22-2009 09:28 PM #72
      Quote, originally posted by 20aeman »
      I'd personally buy maestro first thing as opposed to buying a chip tune first. If you go with the tapp 630 file, or something similar to it..you'll have to shell out another 500 to get the maestro.
      750+500 > 900 up front.

      Thats what i thought but i was told that you only have to pay the diffence which would make it the same as buying it at once... now i confused lol...
      so if i buy the reflash for 550... would i only have to pay the 350 dollar difference down the road or is there something that im missing that i will have to pay more later...
      I dont mind spending 900 now, but if i can do 550 now and just pay the difference later that means i get the reflash and some other mod now and i can get the maestro later with now penalty..
      idealy if its the same whether i buy it in two purchase reflash then maestro i would love that .. but if it cost more in the long run id rather just do it all at once

    23. 10-22-2009 09:39 PM #73
      Quote, originally posted by Scrampa1.8T »
      honestly it's probably best if you tell everyone what you're trying to get rid of/avoid because there's just so much.

      i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

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      10-22-2009 09:45 PM #74
      Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »
      i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

      and me being an ass in the comment I made lies where? the programming will delete just about anything you'd ever want to and readiness is set at all times. what are you looking to delete that way you can have a specific answer.

    25. 10-22-2009 09:46 PM #75
      Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »
      i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

      he isn't there... there are just a ton of options and we are keeping this thread clean so if you arent satisfied with his answer then try asking a better question or word it better

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