Maestro 7 Tuning: FAQ, DIY, hard data, and advice thread

[Scrampa1.8T]

Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »

what all cel's can you get rid off with this

honestly it's probably best if you tell everyone what you're trying to get rid of/avoid because there's just so much.

[sound-speed-style]

Quote, originally posted by 20aeman »

I'd personally buy maestro first thing as opposed to buying a chip tune first. If you go with the tapp 630 file, or something similar to it..you'll have to shell out another 500 to get the maestro. 750+500 > 900 up front.

Thats what i thought but i was told that you only have to pay the diffence which would make it the same as buying it at once... now i confused lol...

so if i buy the reflash for 550... would i only have to pay the 350 dollar difference down the road or is there something that im missing that i will have to pay more later...

I dont mind spending 900 now, but if i can do 550 now and just pay the difference later that means i get the reflash and some other mod now and i can get the maestro later with now penalty..

idealy if its the same whether i buy it in two purchase reflash then maestro i would love that .. but if it cost more in the long run id rather just do it all at once

[weenerdog3443]

Quote, originally posted by Scrampa1.8T »

honestly it's probably best if you tell everyone what you're trying to get rid of/avoid because there's just so much.

i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

[Scrampa1.8T]

Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »

i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

and me being an ass in the comment I made lies where? the programming will delete just about anything you'd ever want to and readiness is set at all times. what are you looking to delete that way you can have a specific answer.

[sound-speed-style]

Quote, originally posted by weenerdog3443 »

i was just wondering what the options were to delete you dont have to be a donkey

he isn't there... there are just a ton of options and we are keeping this thread clean so if you arent satisfied with his answer then try asking a better question or word it better

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Fine... Ill answer it.. N249, N80,N112,SAI,rear 02, and VVT..... Just about anything that can be deleted, and still allow the system to function can be deleted..

[sound-speed-style]

ok so i dont wanna sound like a total moron... but is there anywhere i can learn to tune besides kinda just learning lol... like is there a book or any classes anyone know of... i just got off the honda scene and those are ez to do... audi's seem to be a lil more fancy with it all...

anyway simplified- any books or classes you can get/take to become a tuning master on these goregous machines?

[ethorman]

I am in the same boat you are in, trying to learn how to tune that is, but a motor is a motor, just have to make sure you get the right a/f ratio down, and the software is what makes it seem fancy. Great software just have to learn how to use it all. I am sure in a few months there will be a DIY on how to set it all up exactly and tune. Hope it helps.

[weenerdog3443]

Quote, originally posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers »

Fine... Ill answer it.. N249, N80,N112,SAI,rear 02, and VVT..... Just about anything that can be deleted, and still allow the system to function can be deleted..

thank you thats kinda what i was looking for i would like a list of everything that could be cleared..

[sound-speed-style]

well timing a/f and boost is all pretty much easily understood, but the optimal numbers for each and everything else is what im in need of help on ... dont want to tune my a4 like a civic lol

[ethorman]

That is understandable, but all in all tuning is tuning, myself I am going to wait for about six months till there is a good DIY and probably some updates.... The nice thing about Eurodyne is that it starts off with your base tune for whatever setup you have.... you should only really need to tweak settings, and/or modify the tune once you add upgrades.

[DISTURBO]

Just turn up the boost and add timming till you see a little timming pull or none, I did this with my A4 and I was running 30psi on pump gas with a S366 BW. Full weight with me was 3550 and it trapped 120. so it was making some power,

[sound-speed-style]

but is there a place where i can learn the safe numbers and risky ones and no no numbers? lol...

i have a feeling the answer to that question is wait untill some diys and updates come out

[ethorman]

Or spend the money and go to the the Eurodyne dealer and have them show you how to tune/adjust it....

[sound-speed-style]

I would love to but Im in olympia washington... south of Seattle... nearest one is about 600miles away last time i searched :<

scratch that found one 3 hours and 30 mins away... might be worth it im emailing them now


Modified by sound-speed-style at 9:03 PM 10-22-2009

[DISTURBO]

As long as the car is not pulling timming its happy . You dont wanna see much timming pull

[sound-speed-style]

got ya... pending email from kineticmotorsport i may be taking a road trip to canada soon

[DISTURBO]

Drive for an extra 800 Miles and I can help you,

[l88m22vette]

My initial 02x tune ran -1.50 timing from Chris, I've used 2.25 (like my stock setup) and its not happy, log+spike+pull = sucks. I'm going to go -.75 and so on until I see pull. You guys might also like this screen, Maximum VE, it appears to be a basic boost curve plotter, and the "Boost Duty" screen I posted earlier is specifically for N75 control

Modified by l88m22vette at 11:37 PM 10-22-2009

[16plus4v]

Once the new motor goes in i'm going to do a FULL how-to-tune write up for this thread.

Something along the lines of a live video on..

How-to : Select and run a log

How-to : Use that log to determine where you can add/pull timing or fuel

How-to : Tune the fuel/ timing trims

How-to : Data log what you've done to ensure all is well..

Something like that, but a video feed.

[simon-says]

Okay, so when is the motor going in? Just really excited to see how a real tuner does it.

[5inchMAF]

Quote, originally posted by vanaman »

If i have to clean this up again, i will l just black hole the whole thread and be done with it. steve

this sentence makes no sense. why would you "black-hole" an entire thread for what a few people said? that would be a great way to contribute to the forum you rule.....

[16plus4v]

Quote, originally posted by simon-says »

Okay, so when is the motor going in? Just really excited to see how a real tuner does it.

Gathering valve train parts and sending the head out to BOBQ in a couple weeks, once I get that back I'll button everything up.. aiming for late January early Feb to hit the dyno.

I will be doing an " off the shelf " dyno for both pump and c16, as well as a re mapped dyno for both using the Maestro suite. I plan to show how I did it so people have a general idea of the procedures involved.

[Dub-Nub]

Would be nice to know what the a/f ratio should be at WOT, how much timing to look for etc. I will be getting Maesto installed within the next few days. Ive read a bit but still forget occasionally.

[16plus4v]

Quote, originally posted by Dub-Nub »

Would be nice to know what the a/f ratio should be at WOT, how much timing to look for etc. I will be getting Maesto installed within the next few days. Ive read a bit but still forget occasionally.

Well it all depends on your supporting mods.

Generally the a/f ratio is safe anywhere between 11.6-12.0 all the way up top (5k-9k)

Timing should be in the 16*-17* area (5k+), again depends on supporting mods.

[sound-speed-style]

SIDE question!

where did you learn this stuff. like is there a site, book, class? or did you learn frmo expierence or what lol... i really wanna learn to do this and know this stuff but i have no idea where to start

i emailed a eurodyne dealer in canada and im waiting to hear back from them about the possibilities but id be a lot happier if i could learn to tune my car without having to drive 7 hours round trip

[16plus4v]

It's more experience and self learning. Basically if you decide to go with the Maestro suite, you can post up your timing/a.f logs and we can tell you if everything is kosher. OR we can direct you in the right direction to gain power and/or better your setup.

[Dub-Nub]

One i get my maesto running i will play around with it. I have played with apr v-tune and vag-com logs but this is going to be awesummmmm!!!!

[l88m22vette]

Chris is going to finish the help files really soon and those should help; he also mentioned that he is planning on including an OBDII scanner/DTC clearing function eventually.

[VRT]

I have read this thread a few times and I want to make one thing clear.
base map or generic map are the wrong words that should be used for what Tapp gives you. If you contact Eurodyne for a file for your GT28 turbo on 440cc injectors. You get a great file that you will rave about like most have done. Well that is the same file that you start with when Tapp sends you a file so called base map.
There really is no need to change this map. Unless you like to play around with different injectors or timing. Even just adding to your file. I went to larger injectors and meth. This system let me make the changes that I need to make. Without having to contact Eurodyne for a update tune

[pete@integrated]

Yep, we just switched dave's car over to maestro. It's a basic 30r setup plus cams.

Haven't gone to the dyno yet, but for the street, i haven't needed to make any changes.

This is NOT like getting a standalone ecu from haltech or aem or something and starting with a flat, totally untuned map, and having to dick with it just to get it to start, let alone go down the road.

[sound-speed-style]

so its basically a tune you get from Ctapp.. works fine if you dont touch it and it works 100% perfect,

but you do have the option to fine tune it and tweak it just a little bit to gain some more hp

[Noah@VerdictMotorsports]

Quote, originally posted by sound-speed-style »

so its basically a tune you get from Ctapp.. works fine if you dont touch it and it works 100% perfect, but you do have the option to fine tune it and tweak it just a little bit to gain some more hp

Yep, or if you do some additional mods and decide to tweak the tune to suite your setup 100%

[l88m22vette]

And you can get off-the-shelf maps for specific BT setups at no charge

[16plus4v]

Quote, originally posted by VRT »

I have read this thread a few times and I want to make one thing clear. base map or generic map are the wrong words that should be used for what Tapp gives you. If you contact Eurodyne for a file for your GT28 turbo on 440cc injectors. You get a great file that you will rave about like most have done. Well that is the same file that you start with when Tapp sends you a file so called base map. There really is no need to change this map. Unless you like to play around with different injectors or timing. Even just adding to your file. I went to larger injectors and meth. This system let me make the changes that I need to make. Without having to contact Eurodyne for a update tune

Yeah , I was going to emphasize this fact also. The 1000cc file in my A4 runs flawlessly. 29psi on pump and it pulls no timing.. mint tune needless to say. I will however bump up the timing once the W/M goes in. Also I'll be running the c16 with w/m also.. so I'll be messing around to get the best gains possible from that as well.

This Tuning Suite is there for those who take it to the next level. Other than that the files are usually 100% the way you get them from Chris.