NEW- Lets see your 16V TURBO 16VT with SPECS!

[vwflygti]

Building a MS3 as we speak, another 16v of course

Adding the wbo2 to it?

[clove911]

I know I am using wbo2 with my MS3 system. ALso have a fully built block and ported polished head . Hoping for just bigger turbo and more fuel as the years go on and I get bored

[myridingmower]

What fuel filters are you guys running? I am upgrading many things, looking to make around 300 on stock internals? Just wondering what you guys might suggest.

[vovcikGTI]

Hi all.
I want to show my motor..did it all ourselves
I am from Moldova. I communicate with you using online translator


Chassis: mk2 gti
Block: stock KR
Pistons: AAN 81 mm
Head: ABF
Head gasket: steel ABF
Cams: ABF
Valves: stock
Intake manifold: custom
Throttle body: 60mm audi
Intercooler: 2.5"
Bov / dv: hks ssqv
Exhaust manifold:custom
Turbocharger: garrett 2871r with .86 ar
Wastegate: -
Downpipe: 2.5
Exhaust: 70 mm
Management: g60 + MAF Emulator 3/Boost Controller. 3Bar MAP sensors
Injectors: 550 cc
Spark plugs: Denso Iridium Racing IK01-27
Flywheel: 5 kg +-
Clutch: stock vr6
Transmission: 02A (3.38)
Differential: Quaife
Shifter: stock

more:
-Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
- AEM UEGO
- STRI egt

best ET 12.19 in Chassis mk1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQyXQ...layer_embedded

[myridingmower]

So im going through and upgrading almost everything turbo/fuel related on my aba 16vt. Im just curious as to what fuel filters you guys are running? Thinking i might get one from 034 with the -6 AN fittings but im not sure. suggestions? Im looking to make 300-350 with my new 76 trim turbo on ms and somewhere around 550cc injectors

[vwflygti]

So im going through and upgrading almost everything turbo/fuel related on my aba 16vt. Im just curious as to what fuel filters you guys are running? Thinking i might get one from 034 with the -6 AN fittings but im not sure. suggestions? Im looking to make 300-350 with my new 76 trim turbo on ms and somewhere around 550cc injectors

I'm just running a new factory from GAP

[Evil16v]

Hi all.
I want to show my motor..did it all ourselves
I am from Moldova. I communicate with you using online translator


Chassis: mk2 gti
Block: stock KR
Pistons: AAN 81 mm
Head: ABF
Head gasket: steel ABF
Cams: ABF
Valves: stock
Intake manifold: custom
Throttle body: 60mm audi
Intercooler: 2.5"
Bov / dv: hks ssqv
Exhaust manifold:custom
Turbocharger: garrett 2871r with .86 ar
Wastegate: -
Downpipe: 2.5
Exhaust: 70 mm
Management: g60 + MAF Emulator 3/Boost Controller. 3Bar MAP sensors
Injectors: 550 cc
Spark plugs: Denso Iridium Racing IK01-27
Flywheel: 5 kg +-
Clutch: stock vr6
Transmission: 02A (3.38)
Differential: Quaife
Shifter: stock

more:
-Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
- AEM UEGO
- STRI egt

3 bar MAF emulator ? On g60 management ? I'm familiar with both very much however I'm really curious what exactly does this allow you? I tried something similar with a g60 management with not so great results so I'm very curious on your results..

[Sr. Karmann]

I'm just running a new factory from GAP

What I have as well, but am currently LC NA

[Evil16v]

ok. here's mine thats waits for some things to be finished..


KR 1.8L
S2 rods and pistons
mk1 oil cooler block connections
051 head casting with KR cams
audi S3 intake manifoold
S2 exhaust manifold
S3 injectors
passat 20vt fuel rail
RS2 k24 7200 turbocharger
Mercedes sprinter intercooler
02a vr6 CHN gearbox with g60 bellhousing
passat g60 cable shifter

i have digi1 with 16vt chip but it will be replaced with VEMS.
I really hope that I will get it runnin this year...

Pictures will come as this thing sits into its place..

Seems on the other side of the pond there are subtle differences in the builds going on, so pardon my curiosity and questions. I like having info in general... Curious as I've seen this more often but Wich of the s2 rods and pistons are you guys using on these builds, what year model? These forged and are they pricy? From what I've seen these pistons are same bore making it a drop in endeavor, it'd be sweet since I'm rebuilding ground up my barnfind 16v....

[LamaMk1]

Seems on the other side of the pond there are subtle differences in the builds going on, so pardon my curiosity and questions. I like having info in general... Curious as I've seen this more often but Wich of the s2 rods and pistons are you guys using on these builds, what year model? These forged and are they pricy? From what I've seen these pistons are same bore making it a drop in endeavor, it'd be sweet since I'm rebuilding ground up my barnfind 16v....

well, from wat i know those pistons are the same in every year it's made you can find them in any s2/s4/100/s6 2.2L 20v turbo...
pistons should take about 400hp but rods usually get bent when you exceed magic 300hp mark

i know car that is pushing almost 400 on these pistons with scat rods...
with these pistons you get 8.3:1 CR but if you put 9a head on it you should be at 8.0:1 if i'm right...

RS2 has different pistons but uses same rods(from what have seen) and he has 8.0:1 CR..


hope this will help

[Evil16v]

Thanks for the clarification ....

[zigm89]

Hi everyone..... I've searched, but cannot find a clear answer to my question:

What do I do with the vac. line feeding the knock box on our 16V CIS-E turbo project we are putting together? Just leave it open to atmosphere, or plumb it into the turbo inlet piping (pre-compressor).

We will be running double headgaskets to lower compression, but want to keep the stock ignition timing advance and knock/retard system. Boost will be limited to ~7psi since the car is an endurance race car.

Any guess how much hp the stock CIS-E system will support with the fuel enrichment circuit maxed out?

Chassis: mk2 Golf
Long Block: stock 9A
Head gasket: Double steel ABA
Intake manifold: "Custom" short runner DIY using stock lower piece.
Throttle body: Stock
Intercooler: Junkyard RX7 top mount. (really cool hood scoop still to come)
Plumbing: Junkyard Saab & Volvo 2.5"
Bov / dv: Junkyard DSM Gen1
Exhaust manifold: Fleabay cast T3 log
Turbocharger: Junkyard 280ZX Garrett t3 60/63
Wastegate: Stock integrated
Downpipe: 2.5"
Exhaust: 2.5" straight
Management: Stock CIS-E with DIY enrichment circuit activated by hobbs switch
Injectors: stock CIS-E
Spark plugs: Stock
Transmission: 020

Everything else assumed stock.


Here's a pic of the work in progress:
Yeah. It's Ghetto-tastic.




thanks!

[Evil16v]

Everywhere I found info limits the CIS-E to about 300-350 hp.... You can do some double secret squirrel stuffs to help it a bit but the roof seems to be in that range.....

[16VTrash]

hahah is that a fire extinguisher intake? awesome

[1slowVW]

hahah is that a fire extinguisher intake? awesome

X2
very cool indeed.


Keep this thread alive folks, I've been four hours from my car for a couple months, looking at a new house with a garage next week which would let me finish this up.

[zigm89]

hahah is that a fire extinguisher intake? awesome

Yes. Yes it is.
We filled the nozzle with JB weld to prevent unwanted boost release.

[16VTrash]

Yes. Yes it is.
We filled the nozzle with JB weld to prevent unwanted boost release.

very creative, so how does the hood close? It is welded to the top of the lower intake plenum correct?

edit: oh i think i see, it is just sitting ontop the other manifold

[zigm89]

very creative, so how does the hood close? It is welded to the top of the lower intake plenum correct?
edit: oh i think i see, it is just sitting ontop the other manifold

Yes, the extinguisher simply bolts onto the stock lower manifold.

Holes will be cut in the hood to allow the extinguisher and throttle body to stick out.
Think "VW Shaker Hood" like the 70's Trans-AM.

[Evil16v]

Yes, the extinguisher simply bolts onto the stock lower manifold.

Holes will be cut in the hood to allow the extinguisher and throttle body to stick out.
Think "VW Shaker Hood" like the 70's Trans-AM.

VW shaker hood.... LoL. My friend you have much time on your hands, I dig the creativity..

[canadian_rabbit_16v]

seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zigm89]

Here's some pictures of the (almost) finished product:
CIS-E and knock box are working great.... AFR is 14:1 until 1psi for fast spool, then the enrichment circuit kicks in & it stays at 12:1 @ 5psi. Enrichment circuit still has room left for more fuel if we decide to increase the boost.

[1slowVW]

zigm89, you're my hero.

[2021cc8V]

1.8L 16v
double stacked headgaskets
ms2 extra w/ boost solenoid
630cc injectors
T3/T4 50 trim , .63 stg3 hotside
2.25"/2.50" IC piping
Greddy Type-S BOV
Tial 38mm wastegate
3" downpipe/exhaust to 3" hooker header max flow muffler

currently running 15psi...

[ewillard]

The motor is a ABF replica so the 159mm rods
Obd 1 ABA 2L block
82.5mm wosner pistons 9:1 comp ratio
Scat rods 159mm with 21mm wrist pins
1000cc RC injectors
Autotech sport cams and high rev springs light weight lifters
Head p&p
Ms 2 3.57 board
Gizmo boost contoler
Gt35r turbo with .63 hot side
38mm tial wastegate
Bbm ss log manifold
3" turbo back exhaust
Turbosmart raceport bov 52mm
3" boost tubes and awic set up with 750hp core
Wavtrac diff in a o2a trans code is ctn (diesel trans)
Stage 3 das axles
Bosh 044 in a IE surge tank full stainless steal lines tank to bay all -6an
Arp hardware through out motor

car made 309 whp at 19PSI should have made a lot more but we had a voltage drop and the fuel pumps slowed down so we had to stop tuning. week later spun 2 rod bearings. rebuilding it now hoping for better numbers

[LamaMk1]

hey guys what oil do you use for your turbocharged engines?
i got my hands on semi-synthetic 10-40w Liqui-Moly(german oil) with MoS2 aditive, don't know will it be good for 16vt around 300hp?

[Jones84]

I run Valvoline 20-50 VR1 in my 307hp 16vt drag rabbit. I have never had any problems with it. In fact I feel like its some of the best oil. Its a little spendy but whats not there days..

[Evil16v]

^^ same here vr1 on the daily 16vt boosting 25 psi ... So far so good on its 4 yr since revival...... Motor is much quieter and given my actual factory manual in my 89' 16v GTI calls for 20-50 high performance synthetic, I'm gonna stick with that. Anything else just doesn't last down here in TX anyhow.. Least for me.

[thegave]

Chassis: mk2 gti
Block: stock KR
Pistons: Wossner 2.0L
Rods: Wossner? Offset small end bush for 8.5:1 CR
Head: KR ported + polished
Head gasket: stock KR
Cams: stock KR
Valves: stock
Intake manifold: stock KR
Throttle body: stock KR
Intercooler: 2.5" in/out
Plumbing: 2.5"
Bov / dv: Forge
Exhaust manifold: Turbotechnics
Turbocharger: garrett T25
Wastegate: Internal
Downpipe: 2.5"
Exhaust: 2.5" mild steel with 3 boxes (Are they gonna rob me of much?)
Management: CIS with piggy-back K-Star running an extra 4 injectors
Injectors: Stock KR + 4x VR6 on second fuel rail
Spark plugs: NGK BKR7E .025" gap
Flywheel: stock 020 2y 210mm
Clutch: Sachs sporting
Transmission: 020 2Y
Differential: Quaife LSD
Shifter: stock MK2
Aquamist WMI



It was running very lean because the hosing from the metering flap to the turbo was perforated like swiss cheese. I wanted more out of it anyway so got it on MS.





After that the bug bit so first things first was an O2A with Wavetrac diff for insurance.

Then GT2860RS and larger intercooler. Pics, plots and figures still to come on that.

[MOTA BOY]

What clutch set would you recommend for a 250+HP on 02A? Sachs Racing?

Sth like THIS?

[LamaMk1]

2: Mota SPEC stage 3?

[MOTA BOY]

A u dupe, neznam ni sam...

[elRey]

For those that remember my ride, I changed a few things and here's my most recent dyno numbers. Race fuel and high boost after I swap out the standalone.

405whp and 305wtq at 20.7psi on 91oct with W/M.




The blip is timing and was cleaned up after this pass.

disclaimer: real numbers are ~15whp lower due to incorrect conditions reading i.e. real numbers are ~ 345whp




MK4 2.0L AZG/BEV block
Scat rods
Wiseco 9:1 pistons
coated baerings
T3/T04E internal wg
VR6 MAF (3"OD/2.75"ID)
Eurojet smic
3" DP/CAT -> 3" exhaust cutout
stock 2.0L head/valves/cams/intake mani
MK4 1.8T/2.0L DBW TB
SPA Turbo exhaust mani
840cc Deka injectors @ 3bar
E85
Walbro 255 inline fuel pump + stock intank pump (after above dyno to address lean in graph)
LS2 truck coils
ME7.5 ECU (wideband)
stock 1.8T 02J 5spd

Currently trying to up boost to 24psi (working on boost control at the moment)
There's more in there even @ same boost lvl w/ E85... my tuning isn't what it should be. I'm learning as I go.

[MOTA BOY]

[vovcikGTI]

3 bar MAF emulator ? On g60 management ? I'm familiar with both very much however I'm really curious what exactly does this allow you? I tried something similar with a g60 management with not so great results so I'm very curious on your results..

MAF emulator http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/item....mulator&part=0
inside g60 MAP sensor is 2.5 by Audi AAN
I have firmware by 550сс
I slyat logs with g60

I am very hard to explain in another language, I think you do not understand what I wrote)

[JBETZ]

MAF emulator http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/item....mulator&part=0
inside g60 MAP sensor is 2.5 by Audi AAN
I have firmware by 550сс
I slyat logs with g60

I am very hard to explain in another language, I think you do not understand what I wrote)

do you mean 250kpa map sensor...?