Quote, originally posted by turbinepowered » So... you have a backplate that will have holes in it, and slide that backplate to open and close the throttle rather than turning butterfly valves in the throats, am I right? How are you going to seal that sliding contact? I'm curious about the reasons behind this.
Ya kinda right, 3 parts, lower machined plate, middle brass throttle plate, and the top cast plate as I showed here.
The bottom machined plate will bolt to my runners to head(when I cast them) the brass plate slides, and the top plate is what the trumpets and airbox bolts to. The brass plate slides on PTFE slide runners fixed to brass, running in grooves in machined lower plate. Approx .2mm exsits between brass slider and lower plate so the ptfe takes all the thrust at closed throttle(high Vac). Ill post a few pics to help you see the full picture, its not done yet but you may get the idea.![]()
(Thanks Baz, I take it your looking on Vagdrivers? You'll see it al pan out there. It is cool desiging stuff, exactly how you want it, I feel experience with these engines helps a lot, takes away that feeling that goes with generic tuning parts off the shelf altered to suit many makes...ya know what I mean
Now this is off another forum Im posting my project on so it may read funny In relation to time, order etc, but youll get the idea.
Its drawn in the idle mode, its pretty basic, top and bottom alloy plates, brass throttle plate in the middle, bottom plate machined to brass plate thickness so that it sits into it.
Below the brass plate there's 2) 12mm grooves cut, in these grooves goes the ptfe bearing plastic so the brass slides nice and easy.
Below these ptfe strips are the counter bore holes to hold the whole lot onto the manifolds.
I have to draw in spring mounts, Idle stop, full throttle stop, and linkage yet, but ya get the idea. Ill also have to mount an Idle switch, wot switch, and a potentiometer fixture too, but thats fairly minor.
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Slide plate highlighted...
Ill prob be machining away alot of the top and bottom plates too where the material isnt needed on the outsides to get rid of a bit of the bulk.
Hope to finish plans later tonight,Finished off drawings this eve and milled out the main bottom plate as shown above.
I could have done this on the bridgeport, but I used the router to show what can be done with basic tools, not everyone has a bridgeport...
So, onto the job, all this milling took around 30min, so the router is by no means slow.
You will need a very good quality one though, that is one that did not come from aldi...Its needs to have a strong spindle, and good bearings. German ones are good B)A normal tungsten tipped bit can be used to cut the plate.
Heavy cuts can be taken to rough it down to near final dimensions, rough being 1.5mm deep, and finish up with a light cut of say, .25mm to bring you to final dimension, this will ensure the best surface finish. wd40 or something like that is used as a cutting fluid, and cuts are taken very slow.
If your not used of using a router, then dont try it, or it could kill you, or take out your eye if your not careful and Ill get the blame....
....anyways, onto the pics...The plate, the bit, and my coffee...(most important)
Heres the approx shape Ill be milling to give ya the jist....
Zie bit...
The router, just zeroing bit before I start...
Ill let the next few pictures roll, there just showing the various stages of cut/depth etc...these are all rough cuts to get down to near my sizes...
Finish depth cut on slide slots..
Bang on including clearance...
Time to start roughing down the centre section...
Nearly there...finish cut to go...
Oiled up ready for last cut...
Finished...
Silky...
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Getting there...
End view, ptfe strip sit into grooves, brass throttle plate sits onto them, the ptfe keeps the brass up approx .15mm of the bottom alloy plate to make sure it slides nice n easy.
Punched main hole centres and drilled them out...
Bored with a 3mm pilot...
How it looks from the other side...
Open them up to 6mm, this bit has a 3mm auto pilot tip built in...
Drilled...
The holes in the grooves need to be counter bored for hex heads that will hold the assembly onto the runner pipes...
Counter bore bit...
Cuts a square shouldered recess...
Done...
Next, I want to get rid of some alloy on the underside of bottom plate, this will take some weight away for me, Ill be keeping to the shape of the runners top flanges which Ill also be making...
One router bit and guide bush, the bush runs along an edge of any sort, and the bit is automatically guided, the bush is 14mm and the bit 10mm so Ive 2mm to take off flange drawing dimensions when marking template. That way, the 2mm difference between the bush edge and bit will be compensated for and the cut line will end up in the right spot...Its handy, it just sounds a bit complex.
Bit and bushing...
Marking out flange profiles...
Coping saw, chop chop...
Template screwed on using the port centre 3mm pilot holes to fix...
Bit and bush fitted...
Height bar placed in-front to rest router on when doing the outer cuts, keeps router base level at all times and stops tipping...
First roughing cut...
Second...
Final super light finish cut, the camera picks up the surface funny, makes it look all over the place...
But its flat...
Jig off, one side done...
Ready for other side...
Rough cuts....etc...same as first side...
Few shots of it cleaned up, marking fluid gone...
Underside...
Runner side, and hex fixing screw...
Surface finish...
Major machining done, and not a cnc in sight -_-
I have to fit the independent Idle control screws/drillings next, I want to have one on each port for total balancing control.
The throttle stop adjuster brackets turned out in the right place...
Small bits of flash to clean up with a small file, gate to grind off, and a few other bits to do to it yet but Im very happy.
It should be starting to make sense now...I hope...!
Tapping stand-off bracket holes...
Tapped...
Pilot boring bottom plate in the marked positions...
Laid down on top plate to drill through on 2 end holes...
Drilled and pinned...
These pins will hold both plates bang on for when Im boring the other 6 holes...
Bored...
5mm bit ready for tapping...
Tapped...
Top plate holes drilled to 6mm and counter-bored...
Time to wash off cutting fluid and do a few checks for Idle holes on drawings...
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