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    Thread: Force Fed Engineering Presents Drag Racing 02m Dog Box

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      11-09-2010 03:28 PM #37
      everything is finished except for the hardening process. They will be for sale shortly, if you would like to put a deposit on a set or need more info feel free to contact me or Ed.

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      11-09-2010 07:36 PM #38
      Here are some parts to show how close and serious we are about bringing the 1-4 dog set w/ billet input shaft including pilot bearing snout.

      All gear sets are designed ONLY for FZQ trans code and stock ring and pinion.

      **R32 3/4/6 gear set is in the works but deff not our top priority as these gear sets were designed and made to help FFE shop and customer cars go fast, Ed was nice enough to allow anyone to purchase these because he understands not everyone is local and can't be an in house customer.**

      Stock input shaft to the left, 3 FFE input shafts to the right


      some gears (not everything in this pic is for FZQ)


      Pricing at this moment is looking a little north of 5k, it could change depending on final price once these reach FFE. Pricing will be set by the manufacturer NOT FFE so please no one complaining about price, Ed is just trying to offer what he paid out of pocket to have built for his own drag cars.

      Hope you all enjoy
      Last edited by JC@DouglasVW; 11-11-2010 at 12:14 PM.

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      11-09-2010 09:16 PM #39
      02m noob here
      FZQ is from which car?
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      11-09-2010 09:38 PM #40
      i believe that's 20th AE

    6. 11-09-2010 11:00 PM #41
      4 cyl US trannies are

      Err - 337 FML - 20th ae -closed case end with conical roller bearing not compatible without new case and bearings

      Fzq- gli - open case end roller bearing with circlip lock and open case end with dust cap

      All 04+ cars and current share this case and bellhousing design. As does r32

      Fml and fzq share same ring and pinion ratio err is different.

    7. 11-09-2010 11:07 PM #42
      R32 - 04+ 1.8t and 24v all mk5 and mk6 gti

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      11-10-2010 08:58 AM #43
      Parts look good Ed.
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      11-10-2010 08:21 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Mark Morris View Post
      Parts look good Ed.
      i'm not gonna lie, those parts DO look damned good.....

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      11-10-2010 09:40 PM #45
      Yeah Ed, looks real good, but from experience with new parts that looks real good you need to put it to the test asap then you will see the potential, that is the bad part of being first to desigh new stuff. Good luck with it and that is good for VW 02m owners

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      11-11-2010 07:21 AM #46
      Marc you know we will put them to the test. The manufacturer makes gear sets for other fwd brand cars that hold over 1000whp with no failure, knowing that he let us know the 02m gears are way beefier than anything fwd he had done before. We will be confident their will be no issues but that doesn't change the fact that we are gonna put them in the most extreme conditions.

      Marc you want to join us with an 02m next season? I know you are tired of tearing 3rd gear apart when you hit full boost.
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      11-11-2010 07:27 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      The manufacturer makes gear sets for other fwd brand cars that hold over 1000whp with no failure, knowing that he let us know the 02m gears are way beefier than anything fwd he had done before.
      I talked with these guys at the Texas Mile in October, they said they were working with FFE and a stronger gear set. Hope it solves all the problems you guys are having with stock gear sets...

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      11-11-2010 07:58 AM #48
      I hope so too Bill, i would love to put our 1000whp plus to use.

    14. 11-11-2010 10:17 AM #49
      looks nice. 2011 will be an interesting year . thanks Ed for pushing the envelop and getting these out!
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      11-11-2010 12:32 PM #50
      Gears look good can't wait for the R32 gears to be finished. Any prices on the R32 stuff yet?

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      11-11-2010 01:10 PM #51
      PAR as made 1000whp application also just never in a VW so newer stuff for them, the design will hold no problem just 3rd gear design needs to be re worked wich im getting in 2 weeks. Fitment is crucial, im sure our stuff will hold 1000hp same as your stuff once dialed in im sure we will have the FWD tranny covered by 2011.

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      11-17-2010 11:21 PM #52
      I said it in the R32 thread, I'll say it in this. This time next year, I'll be 100% down for a set of these. Hands down, no thinking about it at all.

    18. 11-21-2010 10:01 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      Here are some parts to show how close and serious we are about bringing the 1-4 dog set w/ billet input shaft including pilot bearing snout.

      All gear sets are designed ONLY for FZQ trans code and stock ring and pinion.

      **R32 3/4/6 gear set is in the works but deff not our top priority as these gear sets were designed and made to help FFE shop and customer cars go fast, Ed was nice enough to allow anyone to purchase these because he understands not everyone is local and can't be an in house customer.**

      Stock input shaft to the left, 3 FFE input shafts to the right


      some gears (not everything in this pic is for FZQ)


      Pricing at this moment is looking a little north of 5k, it could change depending on final price once these reach FFE. Pricing will be set by the manufacturer NOT FFE so please no o.ne complaining about price, Ed is just trying to offer what he paid out of pocket to have built for his own drag cars.

      Hope you all enjoy
      do you guys have any specs on the size of the teeth on the gears and shafts?
      SQS uses 3.25 modulus for there 4speed drag kit. this way i know more or less what im looking at.
      who did you guys get to make this gear set?
      when do you guys think your gonna get some testing done?

    19. 11-21-2010 10:11 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      Marc you know we will put them to the test. The manufacturer makes gear sets for other fwd brand cars that hold over 1000whp with no failure, knowing that he let us know the 02m gears are way beefier than anything fwd he had done before. We will be confident their will be no issues but that doesn't change the fact that we are gonna put them in the most extreme conditions.

      Marc you want to join us with an 02m next season? I know you are tired of tearing 3rd gear apart when you hit full boost.
      what are the cars with 1000whp?
      what type of racing are these cars doing?
      it would be nice to get some specs on the gears other then beefier.

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      11-21-2010 10:16 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by J.D View Post
      what are the cars with 1000whp?
      what type of racing are these cars doing?
      it would be nice to get some specs on the gears other then beefier.
      The car


      Drag racing only, car makes 980whp at 34psi

      What type of specs are you looking for, I can try to get you whatever info you are looking for.

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      11-21-2010 10:25 AM #56
      He wanted to know what other car is making 1000whp using the company in question dogbox.

    22. 11-21-2010 10:31 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      The car


      Drag racing only, car makes 980whp at 34psi

      What type of specs are you looking for, I can try to get you whatever info you are looking for.
      what cars are with 1000whp using these gears and what racing are they doing?

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      11-21-2010 12:09 PM #58
      Only other car right Now will be mine which is not complete yet. My car has the exact same setup as eds and will make the same power. All testing will be done on our 2 cars. The kit was built by someone who is already building kits for other brand fwd cars making over 1100hp in 4cyl cars.

    24. 11-21-2010 12:21 PM #59
      JD and marc, this company makes k series dog box transmissions, also srt 4 parts for manual, including billet input shafts, and the planetary gears for the automatics. The manufacturer also has produced transmissions and gear solutions for many vehicles ranging from drag cars to baja trucks.

      Kevin Van Nattens - srt 4 automatic uses his gears, runs consistant 8.90s and since using these parts does not break transmissions.

      The k series boxes are used commonly and are warrantied since the box was fully redisigned and 4 gears now are in place of where 6 used to be.

      Now onto the info.

      The gears for the 1-4 dog boxes were built around a r&p of an fml/fzq and later 4 cyl boxes.

      They were designed for 26x10 tires and setup to have almost idential gearing to the PPG b series dog boxes at 500 less rpm.

      So in each gear you will hit the same mph at 10k vs 10.5k on the b series.

      The gears are at heat treat and I am promised to have the parts by the end of this month.

      Once they are here I will post pictures, available ratios and side to side comparison pictures.

      Thank you for your interest, feel free to contact me, no reason to get all upset over nothing.
      Last edited by EdsGTI; 11-21-2010 at 12:23 PM.

    25. 11-21-2010 12:34 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      I hope so too Bill, i would love to put our 1000whp plus to use.
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    26. 11-21-2010 05:34 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by EdsGTI View Post
      JD and marc, this company makes k series dog box transmissions, also srt 4 parts for manual, including billet input shafts, and the planetary gears for the automatics. The manufacturer also has produced transmissions and gear solutions for many vehicles ranging from drag cars to baja trucks.

      Kevin Van Nattens - srt 4 automatic uses his gears, runs consistant 8.90s and since using these parts does not break transmissions.

      The k series boxes are used commonly and are warrantied since the box was fully redisigned and 4 gears now are in place of where 6 used to be.

      Now onto the info.

      The gears for the 1-4 dog boxes were built around a r&p of an fml/fzq and later 4 cyl boxes.

      They were designed for 26x10 tires and setup to have almost idential gearing to the PPG b series dog boxes at 500 less rpm.

      So in each gear you will hit the same mph at 10k vs 10.5k on the b series.

      The gears are at heat treat and I am promised to have the parts by the end of this month.

      Once they are here I will post pictures, available ratios and side to side comparison pictures.

      Thank you for your interest, feel free to contact me, no reason to get all upset over nothing.

      When I posted on here for some reason I knew that people were gonna take this the wrong way. I'm just doing some research because I too need a tranny or gear set if I want to race next year. So before I go and spend 5k on a gear kit I would like to get some specs on the product other than Beefier! Does it make sense?

      But I do have to admit that the fact that you are being hush hush about who the manufacture is kinda amazes me because when I started using SQS in the drag racing industry I shared that with everyone so that it allows the VW racing scene to grow. With that said put yourself my shoes and tell me what you think.
      Last edited by J.D; 11-21-2010 at 05:52 PM.

    27. 11-21-2010 07:01 PM #62
      looks like a Liberty gear set to me...

      if it is you know its a very good quality gear set

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      11-21-2010 08:49 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by killacoupe View Post
      looks like a Liberty gear set to me...

      if it is you know its a very good quality gear set
      They are not Liberty, I think Liberty *might* have been one of the companies ed talked to and they didn't show much interest.

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      11-21-2010 09:34 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by EdsGTI View Post

      Kevin Van Nattens - srt 4 automatic uses his gears, runs consistant 8.90s and since using these parts does not break transmissions.
      for your sake, I hope DCR has zero involvement with these gears. He's a flake, and a scammer.

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      11-22-2010 11:07 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by TBT-Syncro View Post
      for your sake, I hope DCR has zero involvement with these gears. He's a flake, and a scammer.
      Definately nothing to do with Darrell Cox.
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      11-22-2010 09:29 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Mark Morris View Post
      Definately nothing to do with Darrell Cox.


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      Happened a few months ago now.. finally got around to looking at it.. figured id share...


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      Happened a few months ago now.. finally got around to looking at it.. figured id share...

      I know how that feels :-(

    34. 12-11-2010 07:13 PM #69
      sorry for the Liberty assumption....I have been in contact with a few company's about doing a true 5 speed dog box and i ran into the company that is making this gear set. But i am in no place to say anything other than, anyone that feels unsure about the product, it is made by a great company with GREAT customer service

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      01-08-2011 10:35 AM #70
      update

      Gear sets arrived yesterday, they will be installed asap and tested as soon as tracks open.

      Edit: Ed installed a set into his trans today, car is running and driving, testing will be done as soon as Atco opens.

      Last edited by JC@DouglasVW; 01-08-2011 at 02:55 PM.

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