New DSG clutch development thread by SSP

[Serrari]

Hi, I just wanted to create a thread about the process of the new clutch for the DSG that SSP is making for us guys interested in more power. I will be upgrading this thread as I am receiving new info.

First a little bit of background. SSP makes clutches for the GTR and EVO X double clutch transmissions. They have the most HP GTR in the world holding 700awhp. They also have some upgrades for parts in the transmission that need to be replaced to hold more power. Here are some car projects they have worked on: http://www.sspperformance.com/...oject

I talked to them and asked about the DSG transmission they told me to send it over so they could make R&D on it.

The transmission was sent last week, they just received it on Tuesday and its completely torn apart. They told me that it seems that there is 2 different styles of clutch discs in it. This is just the beginning, the process will take about 2 months to get all work done. here are some pics:

Modified by Serrari at 7:46 AM 12-31-2009


Modified by Serrari at 7:47 AM 12-31-2009

[jonnyc23]

At last, there will be an option for DSG upgrade for probably half the cost of the HPA option..

Big props for sending in a box for the development!!

Looking forward to seeing the results!!

[high_octaneGTI]

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[staulkor]

FINALY!!!!! lol

I am very excited.

[PatrickVas]

Do you guys have an estimated price range yet? Trust me if you guys can make this affordable, TONS of people will get this.

[hatnlvr]

Nice!! Great to see some competition finally coming to the market.

[Serrari]

Quote, originally posted by PatrickVas »

Do you guys have an estimated price range yet? Trust me if you guys can make this affordable, TONS of people will get this.

Price will be known until everything is fabricated, but they sell the upgrade for the Nissan GTR at $1800usd.

[tautvydasv]

Could anyone advice what is the price for stock clutch pack?

[Serrari]

Quote, originally posted by tautvydasv »

Could anyone advice what is the price for stock clutch pack?

Its around $550usd.

[CLestat]

Atascado!!!!

Subscrito

[bwoodahl]

This is good news! Please keep us updated with the development.

[NeverOEM]

[itouch]

Very good news, subscribed.

[kimhemm]

Good news for DSG owners

Did you break your old clutches ??

[Serrari]

Quote, originally posted by kimhemm »

Good news for DSG owners Did you break your old clutches ??

No, but I had slipping issues.

[jonnyc23]

What boost are you at Serrari?

Im running 22psi now and DSG feels no different at all.. Still super smooth, not even a hint of it slipping..

[SSPKris]

We are very excited to be a part of this project. We are expanding to the Audi, Volkwagon, and BMW dual tronic transmisison markets. Please follow this thread for exciting developments.

[Serrari]

Quote, originally posted by jonnyc23 »

What boost are you at Serrari? Im running 22psi now and DSG feels no different at all.. Still super smooth, not even a hint of it slipping..

When running more than 20psi I had slipping issues. The issues where when I WOT it in 2nd gear and just a litlle in 3rd. With 20psi the DSG won't change to the next gear.

[Serrari]

Quote, originally posted by SSPKris »

We are very excited to be a part of this project. We are expanding to the Audi, Volkwagon, and BMW dual tronic transmisison markets. Please follow this thread for exciting developments.

Hey Kris, its good having you here in the forums. You can also post any updates in this thread. I think there's going to be a lot of people interested on how the project is going.

[Issam Abed]

Looking forward to the results as well

[SSPKris]

Serrari,

I sent you some new updated pictures of the progress of the clutch discs. The development is ahead of schedule. The discs and clutch components are in CAD right now. We are also developing a new high temp seal package for this transmission.

[Serrari]

Here are the pics:

I guess these are the clutch compnents and discs.

[rhouse181]

the inside clutch pack looks considerably more worn than the large, outside disk... very interesting

[SSP Jeremy]

The reason for that is, set A controls 1,3,5,R, and set B is for 2,4,6. So typically you'll have more wear on set A....Same way go's for the EVO and GTR.


Modified by SSP Jeremy at 2:01 PM 1-9-2010

[rhouse181]

Quote, originally posted by SSP Jeremy »

The reason for that is, set A controls 1,3,5,R, and set B is for 2,4,6. So typically you'll have more wear on set A....Same way go's for the EVO and GTR. Modified by SSP Jeremy at 1:35 PM 1-9-2010

makes perfect sense... so do you guys spend any extra attention on set A to develop something more durable? or would different friction surfaces on the two sets cause issues with driveability, etc?

i don't know anything about DSG, so i hope you don't mind all the questions. always been a manual guy

[SSP Jeremy]

if you look at the pictures posted above, you'll notice the aggressive angle cuts and groves in the smaller set of oem clutches.

Typically we would make a more aggressive design/pattern/larger disks and steels.

You wont see any problems in regards to drive ability as this is the design from the manufacture.

No problem.....ask away! That's what I'm here for.


Modified by SSP Jeremy at 3:22 PM 1-9-2010

[itouch]

With your success on the GTR im sure this will also rock. I hope we turboguys can pass 500ftlb with your clutchpack.

Can you check if the clutchpacks are the same in the golf GTI and golf R32? I think they are but better to be sure.


Modified by itouch at 4:26 PM 1-9-2010

[SSPKris]

Initial testing of the clutch discs will commense shortly. The DSG UPGRADED STAGE 1 CLUTCH PACKAGE will be priced at 1199.00USD. This will include new clutch discs and clutch steels.

SSP STAGE 2 is already in development and will be available toward the end of February.

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[itouch]

Do you have any high hp dsg car to test these in? Im interested in how your test on the new materia will be made.

[SSPKris]

We actually have a machine that can simulate load and torque on different surfaces. We will be looking for 2 independant test cars when the clutch discs are thru R&D. We do this with all of our clutch projects.

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[SSPKris]

We have 1 car as of right now for this testing.

[itouch]

Sounds great Kris. Please look up if the clutchpack also will fit the dsg in the golf r32. Im 99% sure they are the same but better to look up.

[SSPKris]

They will fit this model of car.

They will fit the following models:

VW GTi, GLi, R32, Scirocco, Audi TT, TT V6, TTS, A3, A4, S3, SEAT Leon, Cupra

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kris@sspperformance.com

[sciblades]

i know this is off topic, but since you are going into the audi market will you do something for the b8 s4?

They don't need it yet but i am sure they will

[SSP Jeremy]

If there's a need.....we will make the parts!