The vinyl thread

[NDubber]

nothin but house

[patrikman]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

Suprised to see the lack of hip hop in this thread. I did see the post with the Automator and DJ Shadow and a few others Come on lets see some underground hip hop.

That would be me. As soon as I get settled into the new crib I will upload some pics of the new DJ setup and some Mo Wax.

[patrikman]

Here is my record store day haul (left to right) :

TV On The Radio - Dear Science

The Black Keys - Tighten Up single

LCD Soundsystem - Pow Pow single sided (WTF?!?!?) single

Passion Pit - Manners

Record Store Day 2010 shopping bag with inside pocket to hold 7"s

Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antarctica

The Flaming Lips, Stardeath and the White Dwarfs, Peaches and Henry Rollins Play Dark Side Of The Moon

[LostBoyScout]

The new home for the gear looks nice!

I went to see Band of Skulls on Saturday, picked up their LP at the show, and also picked up one of the opening act's LPs, Silver Starling... they were really chill to talk to, and felt like I had to pick it up after hanging out with them. Too bad I dropped the album when drunkly playing it at a house party a few hours later, putting a pretty big gouge in one track.

[patrikman]

Quote, originally posted by LostBoyScout »

The new home for the gear looks nice!

I will post up some more pics once I get settled.

[NDubber]

its the floor right now for me

[MKV Wabbit]

Why is vinyl making a comeback? I thought that CD's were the best format to own. I think the Mp3 format is complete **** if you don't know where you are getting the original sound from.

[NDubber]

vinyl sounds better then cd

[MKV Wabbit]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

vinyl sounds better then cd

I already knew that and thank god for the change back to vinyl!

[MKV Wabbit]

Also Mp3's sound like crap as well.

[MKV Wabbit]

Before I decided to make the switch from Vinyl to CD back in 1997, I owned these Vinyl records, which were used and I only payed from .99 cents to $2.99 for them.

AC/DC- Back In Black
Kiss- Destroyer
Earth, Wind & Fire- Gratitude
Earth, Wind & Fire- Raise!
Earth, Wind & Fire- Faces (In my opinion the best EWF album ever)
Earth, Wind & Fire- I Am
Earth, Wind & Fire- Powerlight
Earth, Wind & Fire- Spirit
Earth, Wind & Fire- That's The Way Of The World
Judas Priest- Screaming For Vengeance
Heart- Dreamboat Annie
Iron Maiden- The Number Of The Beast
Kool & The Gang- Celebration
Def Leppard- Pyromania

[MKV Wabbit]

Quote, originally posted by MKV Wabbit »

Before I decided to make the switch from Vinyl to CD back in 1997, I owned these Vinyl records, which were used and I only payed from .99 cents to $2.99 for them. AC/DC- Back In Black Kiss- Destroyer Earth, Wind & Fire- Gratitude Earth, Wind & Fire- Raise! Earth, Wind & Fire- Faces (In my opinion the best EWF album ever) Earth, Wind & Fire- I Am Earth, Wind & Fire- Powerlight Earth, Wind & Fire- Spirit Earth, Wind & Fire- That's The Way Of The World Judas Priest- Screaming For Vengeance Heart- Dreamboat Annie Iron Maiden- The Number Of The Beast Kool & The Gang- Celebration Def Leppard- Pyromania

I wish I never sold them, now I want them back.

[NDubber]

http://www.discogs.com

[MKV Wabbit]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

http://www.discogs.com

All of the records sold on this website are from the U.K.
I could spend less and buy it here locally.

[kenny301]

Quote, originally posted by MKV Wabbit »

All of the records sold on this website are from the U.K. I could spend less and buy it here locally.

Not true. Sellers are worldwide but are by no means exclusively in the UK. There are plenty of sellers in the US.

That being said, is anyone else here on Discogs?

Also, I wont be listening to vinyl for awhile. I had an incident involving a speaker last night.

Yep, one of the speakers (Royal 4a) was sounding kinda scratchy and sounded like part of one of the speakers inside of it was vibrating. I screwed with the input knob, pulled the speaker out and checked the wiring, put on some RJD2 and then I took the dog out. I came back in and the room with my stereo was filled with smoke. Flames were shooting out of the dust cap on one of the speakers. Burned a hole in the speaker and the face and melted the rest of the plastic on the face of the speaker. Good thing the dog only had to pee.

[President Lincoln]

Quote, originally posted by MKV Wabbit »

Why is vinyl making a comeback? I thought that CD's were the best format to own. I think the Mp3 format is complete **** if you don't know where you are getting the original sound from.

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

vinyl sounds better then cd

Vinyl is not making a comeback. The fact is that true hip-hop and turntablism (scratching, beat jugling etc) was started on records and is just not the same on CD's. End of story. Even if you can scratch a CD it is not the same. REAL hip-hop DJ's use records.

[kenny301]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

Vinyl is not making a comeback.

I'd say an 89% increase in new vinyl sales from 2008 to 2009 is a good start. Sure, thats only 1.88 million units sold but its a good start. I bet its even more of an increase if you take into account used vinyl sales.

[vamosarapiar]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

Vinyl is not making a comeback. The fact is that true hip-hop and turntablism (scratching, beat jugling etc) was started on records and is just not the same on CD's. End of story. Even if you can scratch a CD it is not the same. REAL hip-hop DJ's use records.

Vinyl is definitely making a come-back, the sales increase posted above is the only proof needed; personally I don't care if vinyl makes a come-back in the mainstream other than the fact that more projects will be pressed; thats a good thing in my book.

Also, whats your point about Hip-Hop turntablism? I agree, I'm not a fan of new-age electronic scratching but many many DJ's are still scratching/beat juggling etc., have others in this thread disagreed? Most of the hip-hop shows I've been to in the past five years have had a DJ spinning vinyl somewhere in the set.

Finally, comeback or not, most of my record collection is Hip-Hop, I like to hope that a lot of my favorite albums recently will be pressed on vinyl, and luckily they have. Go to a hip-hop show, vinyl is being spun on stage and sold in the back, that gets a from me, I don't think vinyl ever left the Hip-Hop community.

[Jerry_HEAVEN]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

vinyl sounds better then cd

completely subjective.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Vinyl is just a different sound.

[President Lincoln]

Just because there has been an increase in vinyl sales does not mean that vinyl is making a "comeback"

The facts are plain to see that CD's will always outsell vinyl. Vinyl has been making a comback since the late 80's early 90's only because of the popularity of turntablism. As the population grows and the youth recognizes DJ-ing thus buying more vinyl but as far as a comeback.. I don't think so.

[NDubber]

Quote, originally posted by MKV Wabbit »

All of the records sold on this website are from the U.K. I could spend less and buy it here locally.

all the vinyl i buy is state side and they cost me $3-7, so i dont have a problem

[NDubber]

Quote, originally posted by Jerry_HEAVEN »

completely subjective. I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Vinyl is just a different sound.

vinyl sounds better.

[President Lincoln]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

vinyl sounds better.

depends on the copy and the needle playing the record.

A record will wear out quickly after being used, as will the needle/stylus.

Once you have a worn needle it will not have the sound quality that it should.

When you buy used records or really use parts of records they will hiss and sound quality goes way down. CD is better from the get go.

[NDubber]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

CD is better from the get go.

false, why do you think real dj's use vinyl? aesthetic purposes? dont think so. sound quality. ask any person who know what they are talking about and they will tell you vinyl has a better sound to it then cd.

[kenny301]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

depends on the copy and the needle playing the record. A record will wear out quickly after being used, as will the needle/stylus. Once you have a worn needle it will not have the sound quality that it should. When you buy used records or really use parts of records they will hiss and sound quality goes way down. CD is better from the get go.

Are you speaking from fact or assuming? If you keep your vinyl clean and protected and have your tonearm set up properly and your needle in good shape, vinly shouldnt wear out quickly afer being used. I have several records from the 70s, some well used, and I have no issues with sound quality on any of them.

Of course, if you are scratching that changes things.

[President Lincoln]

Quote, originally posted by kenny301 »

Are you speaking from fact or assuming? If you keep your vinyl clean and protected and have your tonearm set up properly and your needle in good shape, vinly shouldnt wear out quickly afer being used. I have several records from the 70s, some well used, and I have no issues with sound quality on any of them. Of course, if you are scratching that changes things.

Speaking from experience. I guarentee when you are queing the stylus over the same sample on a record over and over, cutting the record it is gonna wear out both the needle/stylus and the record. This usually occurs when you are matching the beat or queing the start of a track in your headphones over and over until that momment when you drop it. This about it. back and forth like 100 times before it is matched and ready to drop. Not to mention the times that you just want to be heard cutting that, just cutting it up for the hell of it.

Once that needle has some good use it will eat records, even with the weight of the tone arm set correctly. I have plenty of worn out needles and records.

[President Lincoln]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

false, why do you think real dj's use vinyl? aesthetic purposes? dont think so. sound quality. ask any person who know what they are talking about and they will tell you vinyl has a better sound to it then cd.

Look I am not here to be a dic k - I have been playing on 1200's for 15+ years.

Real DJ's use vinyl because that is how you produce real hip hop. Cutting the record, scratching. Back when all this was getting started DJ's weren't like; "lets use vinyl because the sound quality is better" as opposed to what, cassets and 8 tracks? No. It was because they wanted to scratch.

[kenny301]

Quote, originally posted by dOWa242 »

Speaking from experience.

I agree with you on that point. For normal listening, wear isn't that bad. Cutting/scratching/etc etc no doubt that will eat records.

[Jerry_HEAVEN]

Quote, originally posted by NDubber »

vinyl sounds better.

with both formats setup on the same stereo setup, I do prefer the sound of vinyl. But then again, there are so many factors that can produce a different/better performing sound via cartridge/tonearm. Not saying it's "better", just a different sound and experience. Saying it's "better" is a completley subjective matter. It also depends on how good the vinyl pressings are. Same goes for cd's.



Modified by Jerry_HEAVEN at 1:52 PM 4-28-2010

[President Lincoln]

Good point.

My SURE M447 stylus' do not have as good of sound quality as my Stanton's. But they are better for Hip-hop DJ-ing and tricks.

My Stanton's are more of a club needle with better sound quality but they never ride the gruve in the record as well as the SURE's. They sound better but do skip more when queing.

NE way - gonna get some pics of my set up in here real soon.

[LostBoyScout]

Quote, originally posted by Jerry_HEAVEN »

Saying it's "better" is a completley subjective matter. It also depends on how good the vinyl pressings are. Same goes for cd's.

Word. Whether you're arguing for vinyl or for CDs, as soon as you say one sounds better than the other, your argument is invalid and pointless. Saying "I prefer the sound of ________" would be perfectly legitimate.

I like vinyl for many reasons. I like the way it sounds. I like the way it looks. I like the larger cover art. I like the added connection you get from having to put the needle down, and flip the album over after a few songs. I like that records encourage listening to music as an activity in itself, not just background to other activities.

[vamosarapiar]

doWa, I promise I'm not trying to argue but you can't say that vinyl isn't making a comeback, and then say vinyl is only making a comeback because of turntablism. Fact is, a lot of the newer hip-hop releases I have on vinyl just wouldn't have been pressed if there wasn't a market for them, the latest Royce albums is the perfect example; it was released on Record Store Day, an advent of the last three years or so. Seems to me that Record Store Day is calling for the re-emergence of vinyl records; also, if you check the Record Store Day thread it definitely caters to an indie-rock scene more than anything else it seems to me, not Hip-Hop. My two cents.

Quote, originally posted by LostBoyScout »

I like vinyl for many reasons. I like the way it sounds. I like the way it looks. I like the larger cover art. I like the added connection you get from having to put the needle down, and flip the album over after a few songs. I like that records encourage listening to music as an activity in itself, not just background to other activities.

Agree completely, I've bought several vinyl albums that I already bought the CD of, its a different experience completely.

Personally I hope this stays a vinyl appreciation thread as there are clearly a lot of people here that love buying vinyl (crate digging is half the fun!), collecting vinyl, and sure listening to it as well.


Modified by vamosarapiar at 4:01 PM 4-28-2010

[Jerry_HEAVEN]

Quote, originally posted by LostBoyScout »

I like vinyl for many reasons. I like the way it sounds. I like the way it looks. I like the larger cover art. I like the added connection you get from having to put the needle down, and flip the album over after a few songs. I like that records encourage listening to music as an activity in itself, not just background to other activities.

part of the reason why i like vinyl as well. It's a more involving and intimate process. It makes more people not so inclined to a "playlist" of various artists

[kenny301]

I don't know if anyone is into the bands on Graveface Records, but they had a "box set", which they called a vault release, that included pretty much every hard to find Black Moth Super Rainbow release. There was one of them available and it was $444.44. I am not going to lie, I contemplated getting it.

For now, I am just waiting for this to arrive in the mail:

Minus the Bear Omni on 180g

[President Lincoln]

Quote, originally posted by vamosarapiar »

doWa, I promise I'm not trying to argue but you can't say that vinyl isn't making a comeback, and then say vinyl is only making a comeback because of turntablism. Fact is, a lot of the newer hip-hop releases I have on vinyl just wouldn't have been pressed if there wasn't a market for them, the latest Royce albums is the perfect example; it was released on Record Store Day, an advent of the last three years or so. Seems to me that Record Store Day is calling for the re-emergence of vinyl records; also, if you check the Record Store Day thread it definitely caters to an indie-rock scene more than anything else it seems to me, not Hip-Hop. My two cents.

No worries, everyone must have read this on the news yesterday.

So last night, I am watching the local news and all of a sudden they bust into this: Vinyl is making a comeback story... LOL - Not kidding.

All good. Just an opinion. I have neglected my records for too long and maybe I just feel guilty and need to make a comeback myself haha