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    Thread: Increasing my rocker ratio

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      02-10-2010 11:55 AM #76
      Quote, originally posted by KingVR »
      We understand you will have costs of your own involved, but you don't need to remove the cylinder head to install a spring kit.
      There are different places to purchase the tools from, but MAC for example has a tool kit that makes compressing the retainer while installed onto the cylinder an easy procedure.


      Well it will still be like doing a came job with extra work.He's trying to say he will need those gaskets and the two cam bolts plus the antifreeze probably a little over $100 somewhere for that stuff been along time since i did my cam install.
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      02-10-2010 11:57 AM #77
      Who mentioned pulling the head?
      Intake to head gasket, valve cover gasket, spark plug hole gaskets, thermostat housing to head gasket, couple bottles G12.. same parts needed to swap cams. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      02-10-2010 11:58 AM #78
      Ahh..forgot the cam bolts.
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      02-10-2010 12:06 PM #79
      Quote, originally posted by PowerDubs »
      Ahh..forgot the cam bolts.

      don't wan to forget them
      It should be pretty easy to do the retainer and springs on the head since we can fill the cylinder with air and do the work that way.If it works out i'll do those plus finally get larger cams and my c2 tune all at once
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      02-10-2010 12:12 PM #80
      When Steve Hannaford ported my head he mentioned he had to come up with something to get the springs compressed.
      I haven't tried it yet...but that leads me to believe my spring compressor will not work if a guy that does heads all day long for a living had a snag.
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    6. 02-10-2010 12:14 PM #81
      What is different on 24v that you need to open the coolant system to get the cams out? 12v never needed that.
      Just curious...haven't ripped a 24v open myself yet.

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      02-10-2010 12:33 PM #82
      You need to pull the side cover and thermostat housing to pull the cams.
      Note the coolant port on the head around the 8 o'clock position.

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      02-10-2010 12:37 PM #83
      I was just gonna post a pic that is about the same you beat me to it Josh
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      02-10-2010 01:44 PM #84
      Quote, originally posted by KingVR »
      What is different on 24v that you need to open the coolant system to get the cams out? 12v never needed that.
      Just curious...haven't ripped a 24v open myself yet.

      I said the same thing before I did my 24V cams.
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    10. 02-10-2010 02:04 PM #85
      Quote, originally posted by PowerDubs »
      You need to pull the side cover and thermostat housing to pull the cams.
      Note the coolant port on the head around the 8 o'clock position.

      That looks similar to a 12v, which has nothing requiring it to take the coolant housing off because it is completely independent of the timing cover. Obviously something is different, so I understand.

    11. 02-10-2010 02:09 PM #86
      Quote, originally posted by PowerDubs »
      When Steve Hannaford ported my head he mentioned he had to come up with something to get the springs compressed.
      I haven't tried it yet...but that leads me to believe my spring compressor will not work if a guy that does heads all day long for a living had a snag.

      With a standard "C-CLAMP" style tool, it perhaps didn't have enough depth to get to some of the valves.
      The tool that I am talking about uses a bracket that bolts onto the cam bearing-cap points and uses a locking "lever" into that bracket so that you can simply pull the lever up which presses the retainer down on the other side.

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      02-10-2010 02:14 PM #87
      Yea.. I've got the one with the lever + brackets. I'm not beyond improvising if I need to.
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      02-10-2010 02:19 PM #88
      yea mac tools makes a good one for $130 bolts to the bearing caps spots and make the change a breeze just don't know if its a breeze on our motor
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      02-10-2010 02:34 PM #89
      Quote, originally posted by newcreation »
      just don't know if its a breeze on our motor


      That's where the issue lies.. look at how little space there is..

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      02-10-2010 02:54 PM #90
      Yea everything is in there pretty good well still should be to bad.its been alot time since i have done and spring changes they were all 4cylinder mitsu, and honda motors.
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      02-10-2010 03:38 PM #91
      Quote, originally posted by KingVR »
      That looks similar to a 12v, which has nothing requiring it to take the coolant housing off because it is completely independent of the timing cover. Obviously something is different, so I understand.

      on the 24v the coolant housing bolts to the upper timing cover....unlike the 12v being separate from the cover

    17. 02-10-2010 07:18 PM #92
      Josh if you get a valve spring compressor its pretty easy to do. You just have to adjust it every 6 valves which takes a while
      but the tricky part isnt' even that, you have to try not to lose your keepers while installing them. Theres a technique that will prevent you from doing that though.
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      02-10-2010 08:54 PM #93
      i hope that isn't a current pic.....that valve to the left is the wrong height

    19. 02-10-2010 09:04 PM #94
      Quote, originally posted by killacoupe »
      i hope that isn't a current pic.....that valve to the left is the wrong height

      when I install the springs/retainers/keepers I place everything together as how you see it on the valve on the left, so that when I pull down on the lever to compress the spring the keepers slide down on the valve groove makes it alot easier instead of compression the spring, then trying to place each keeper into place. Makes everything go alot quicker.


      a bigger pic of the whole thing


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      02-10-2010 09:14 PM #95
      Drill press?
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    21. 02-10-2010 09:19 PM #96
      drill press with a valve compressor attachment. and the bottom swings for different angles. But Josh you can use this

      My friend used a similar one to this to change his springs.
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      02-10-2010 10:00 PM #98
      thats the one mac tools sells for 130
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      02-10-2010 10:43 PM #99
      Quote, originally posted by fourthchirpin »
      Josh if you get a valve spring compressor its pretty easy to do. You just have to adjust it every 6 valves which takes a while
      but the tricky part isnt' even that, you have to try not to lose your keepers while installing them. Theres a technique that will prevent you from doing that though.


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    25. 02-10-2010 10:56 PM #100
      Quote, originally posted by lil8v »

      looks like ginos machine to me

      [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] yup. He goes you know the drill. heres your valves, springs, shims, keepers. lemme know when your done.
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