Username or Email Address
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    VWVortex


    The Car Lounge
    Results 1 to 27 of 27

    Thread: Oil Filters: spin-on vs cartridge?

    1. Member Art Vandelay's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 20th, 2005
      Location
      STL
      Posts
      9,868
      Vehicles
      SVO
      02-07-2010 01:36 PM #1
      Which is better? I've noticed that newer cars are switching back to canister style oil filters. But why? Is it a cost-cutting measure, a way to get you to spend more money on dealership parts, a superior design, or some combination of the three?

      Easy and fun:

      Messy and evil:

      JSW TDI, Mustang SVO, et al.

    2. Member 20V BUG's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 15th, 2008
      Location
      Wesley Chapel, FL
      Posts
      3,321
      Vehicles
      2012 Genesis Sedan
      02-07-2010 01:42 PM #2
      My money is on making it harder for the do-it-yourself crowd to.... do it themselves.

      It's real easy to find and remove a spin on filter, climb under the car and twist it off. To change a cartridge though you have to locate it, could be anywhere, and then have the right tool to open where it sits. I know on my friend's Cavalier it took an 1 1/4" socket to remove the cap to get to the filter.

      How many people do you know that have one of those just hanging around?

      Member Since: 5/31/03

      <(^.^<) <(^.^)> (>^.^)>

    3. 02-07-2010 01:43 PM #3
      The cartridge type is regarded as a better environmental choice. The steel parts in a spin-on can be recycled, but all of the other stuff inside is basically contamination of the steel.

    4. Member Fettes Brot's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 25th, 2001
      Location
      Calgary, AB
      Posts
      5,192
      Vehicles
      1998 Volvo V70 T5M, 2013 Honda Odyssey Touring
      02-07-2010 01:51 PM #4
      Cartridge style is also easier & cheaper to ship. Boxes are smaller, & weigh much less.
      Volvo Expert/Master Tech

    5. 02-07-2010 01:55 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by Fettes Brot »
      Cartridge style is also easier & cheaper to ship. Boxes are smaller, & weigh much less.


      My vote Along with easier to recycle.

      I don't speed... I just don't slow down for the turns.

    6. Member TooFitToQuit's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 5th, 2003
      Location
      ATL
      Posts
      10,638
      02-07-2010 01:57 PM #6
      The cartridge is stupid and cannot be removed with a flathead and a hammer.

    7. 02-07-2010 02:15 PM #7
      The cartridge allows you to inspect the filter with out cutting open the can.

    8. 02-07-2010 02:22 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by iDance »
      The cartridge is stupid and cannot be removed with a flathead and a hammer.

      The cartridge design is less prone to the conditions that lead to having to do this to a spin-on filter ...


    9. Geriatric Member BRealistic's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 16th, 2005
      Location
      Tennessee
      Posts
      64,206
      Vehicles
      88 F150, 04 RX8
      02-07-2010 02:22 PM #9
      Can you install a remote filter kit on the canister type?
      |˙˙ʇǝuɹǝʇuı ǝɥʇ uo ʇxǝʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ɯopuɐɹ pɐǝɹ noʎ :ǝɯıʇ ǝǝɹɟ ɥɔnɯ ooʇ ʎɐʍ ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ןןǝʇ oʇ ʍoɥ˙˙˙|http://hotlinktest.com/

    10. Geriatric Member BRealistic's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 16th, 2005
      Location
      Tennessee
      Posts
      64,206
      Vehicles
      88 F150, 04 RX8
      02-07-2010 02:23 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by GoFaster »

      The cartridge design is less prone to the conditions that lead to having to do this to a spin-on filter ...

      This may have something to do with the longer oil change intervals many vehicles have specified now. It's my understanding that the (Fram cardboard backing type) spin on oil filter issues have to do with filters left on for a long time.

      |˙˙ʇǝuɹǝʇuı ǝɥʇ uo ʇxǝʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ɯopuɐɹ pɐǝɹ noʎ :ǝɯıʇ ǝǝɹɟ ɥɔnɯ ooʇ ʎɐʍ ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ןןǝʇ oʇ ʍoɥ˙˙˙|http://hotlinktest.com/

    11. Member sunofernest's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 2nd, 2009
      Location
      Philly
      Posts
      927
      Vehicles
      '06 WRX, naked '97 GSXR 600, '79 DT250
      02-07-2010 02:26 PM #11
      My cartridge style allows me to drain the filter before removing it. You cant do that with a spin-on without a drill.

    12. Member overst33r's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 18th, 2006
      Location
      Tampa, FL
      Posts
      2,393
      Vehicles
      S2000 v3
      02-07-2010 02:32 PM #12
      Cartridge allows to change filter and not oil, which some extended drain intervals call for.

      Not saying it's not possible with a twist on, but it sure isn't as easy.



      135
      ╠╬╬╗
      246 R

    13. Member eweu's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 22nd, 2001
      Location
      Silicon Valley, CA
      Posts
      2,359
      Vehicles
      2008 Audi TT VR6, 2011 Volkswagen Touareg TDI, 2002 Ford F-250 SuperCrew V10, 2001 Audi A4 1.8TQM
      02-07-2010 02:57 PM #13
      I just wish that all cartridge filters were located on the top. That makes oil changes a breeze.

      My S4 had a top mounted filter. I didn't need to get under the car to do an oil change. My TT has a bottom mounted cartridge filter so I still have to crawl underneath. Ugh.


    14. Member 08StreetBob's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 19th, 2004
      Location
      El Paso, TX
      Posts
      579
      Vehicles
      2009 Silverado crew cab, 2004 Sienna
      02-07-2010 03:44 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by mariok2006 »
      Cartridge allows to change filter and not oil, which some extended drain intervals call for.

      Not saying it's not possible with a twist on, but it sure isn't as easy.

      Changing an under car cartridge filter spills just as much oil as an undercar spin on filter.

      Community property

    15. Member pezzy84's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 12th, 2003
      Location
      Atlanta, GA
      Posts
      1,098
      02-07-2010 04:02 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by 08StreetBob »

      Changing an under car cartridge filter spills just as much oil as an undercar spin on filter.


      Depends. On my Jetta 2.5 there is a simple to use drain which pretty much eliminates any possible mess.


    16. Member genjy's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 7th, 2005
      Location
      Glendora, CA
      Posts
      4,115
      Vehicles
      Volvo C30 T5 6sp manual / Mazda5 5sp manual
      02-07-2010 04:25 PM #16
      Quote, originally posted by eweu »

      My S4 had a top mounted filter. I didn't need to get under the car to do an oil change.

      Yeah, my Volvo T5 has a top mounted (cartridge) filter as well... no mess.

      I still have to go under the car to drain the oil, though.


    17. Geriatric Member VDub2625's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 3rd, 2003
      Location
      Fall River, MA
      Posts
      46,014
      Vehicles
      90 Jetta GLI 16v, 99.5 Cabrio Highline, 92 Golf GL
      02-07-2010 04:30 PM #17
      I like the cartridge... you can drain the filter before taking it off thus avoiding a huge mess. Especially on a car where the canister filter is horizontal (Nissan )

      I don't see how a cartridge would be any harder to locate... and at least the cars I've done it on still allow an oil filter wrench to remove the filter cap.

      A2Resource
      .......

    18. Banned StormChaser's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 3rd, 2000
      Location
      Annapolis, MD
      Posts
      19,431
      Vehicles
      2006 Volvo V50, 1993 RX-7 R1, 1980 Hatteras 53MY, 2002 Grady White Release 283, 1958 Mohawk 14
      02-07-2010 04:33 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by genjy »

      Yeah, my Volvo T5 has a top mounted (cartridge) filter as well... no mess.

      I still have to go under the car to drain the oil, though.


      Yup, same with then HHR, easy peasy, no mess. But the engines on the boat are also cartridge-element style but are mounted on the bottom in a position where they dump all the oil out as you remove them...hugely messy...so it all depends on design.


    19. Member cityjohn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 9th, 2002
      Location
      Los Angeles
      Posts
      4,032
      Vehicles
      1998 Cabrio | 2001 M3
      02-07-2010 04:35 PM #19
      With the housing on top (and using an oil extractor), a BMW oil change could not be easier. You don't even have to go under the car.



    20. Member genjy's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 7th, 2005
      Location
      Glendora, CA
      Posts
      4,115
      Vehicles
      Volvo C30 T5 6sp manual / Mazda5 5sp manual
      02-07-2010 04:39 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by StormChaser »

      Yup, same with then HHR, easy peasy, no mess. But the engines on the boat are also cartridge-element style but are mounted on the bottom in a position where they dump all the oil out as you remove them...hugely messy...so it all depends on design.

      Yeah, my Mazda5's 2.3L has the cartridge filter on the bottom... very messy. Just oil dripping everywhere and all over my hand and tools.

      There's actually a canister filter conversion kit for that Mazda engine.


    21. Member Art Vandelay's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 20th, 2005
      Location
      STL
      Posts
      9,868
      Vehicles
      SVO
      02-07-2010 04:47 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by genjy »

      Yeah, my Mazda5's 2.3L has the cartridge filter on the bottom... very messy. Just oil dripping everywhere and all over my hand and tools.

      There's actually a canister filter conversion kit for that Mazda engine.

      That's actually the exact reason I started this thread. I'm wondering if the conversion would be doing my car a disservice.

      JSW TDI, Mustang SVO, et al.

    22. Member dfischer1's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 20th, 2004
      Location
      Washington DC
      Posts
      429
      Vehicles
      1966 Porsche 911, 2006 Audi A3
      02-07-2010 04:51 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by cityjohn »
      With the housing on top (and using an oil extractor), a BMW oil change could not be easier. You don't even have to go under the car.



    23. Geriatric Member VDub2625's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 3rd, 2003
      Location
      Fall River, MA
      Posts
      46,014
      Vehicles
      90 Jetta GLI 16v, 99.5 Cabrio Highline, 92 Golf GL
      02-07-2010 04:56 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by genjy »

      Yeah, my Mazda5's 2.3L has the cartridge filter on the bottom... very messy. Just oil dripping everywhere and all over my hand and tools.


      Interesting... the VW VR6 (and I'm assuming other VW models with the cartridge) have a drain plug in the filter just for that. I thought they all did.
      A2Resource
      .......

    24. Member Lepsis3942's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 15th, 2008
      Location
      Flint/Blacksburg
      Posts
      2,025
      Vehicles
      1988 BMW 535is
      02-07-2010 05:00 PM #24
      WTF are you people hating on cartridges talking about?? I used a spin on on my Integra and while it wasn't a big pain, the oil change on my Bimmer could not be easier. The only disadvantage is you have to grab a hot cylinder with your hands, which is simply taken care of with gloves.

      And it loads from the top, any excess oil spillage is taken care of by the container that should be under the car


      Modified by Lepsis3942 at 5:02 PM 2/7/2010

      1988 535is

    25. Member genjy's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 7th, 2005
      Location
      Glendora, CA
      Posts
      4,115
      Vehicles
      Volvo C30 T5 6sp manual / Mazda5 5sp manual
      02-07-2010 05:01 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by VDub2625 »

      Interesting... the VW VR6 (and I'm assuming other VW models with the cartridge) have a drain plug in the filter just for that. I thought they all did.

      I think there is a drain. The mess usually don't bother me enough to do that extra step (hey, I gotta clean up either way).


    26. Senior Member
      Join Date
      Mar 24th, 2001
      Posts
      26,499
      02-07-2010 05:09 PM #26
      A top mount cartridge filter is the least mess.

      For bottom mount designs, it would be less messy for cartridge filters if instead of removing just the cap of the housing, you removed the whole barrel housing (equivalent to the can of a can filter).

      Can filters are least messy when mounted on the bottom with the opening facing up, though you still need to put a drip pan under the place where you removed it from. Side and angle mounted can filters pretty much guarantee spilling oil while removing them.


    27. Member chrissor's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 5th, 2004
      Location
      canada
      Posts
      1,886
      02-07-2010 05:20 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by genjy »

      Yeah, my Mazda5's 2.3L has the cartridge filter on the bottom... very messy. Just oil dripping everywhere and all over my hand and tools.

      There's actually a canister filter conversion kit for that Mazda engine.

      its not a kit, its just the filter housing from the 2.0. "aftermarket" companies claim its a special kit. lies!

      .:R

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •