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      02-18-2010 08:16 PM #51
      Quote, originally posted by BoraSport »
      Even the base model Jetta is a bit more refined than the base model Golf.

      I don't know where you are getting that idea from. Currently, it is certainly the opposite - with the Golf one model version and numerous refinements ahead. And when the MkVI Jetta comes out this fall, the base version will certainly be lower than the Golf (e.g., not even IRS). In that sense, VW has already lined up their range quite well for the Polo introduction.
      As to the rumors VW is planning an entirely different Polo for the Americas, from VW executive statements over the past year, it seems to me they have completely backpedaled on that notion. In the current environment that is just a needlessly large expense. Sure, there may be a sedan version down the line, but instead of developing yet another Polo hatch version, it would be cheaper to bring something like the Yeti over, instead, or work with Suzuki on a modified SX4 with VW drive trains.
      From what I have gathered, Polo production in Puebla is still on and should be coming, soon - that was the whole, initially-stated idea of the Puebla plant expansion (next to larger new Jetta production numbers). I have yet to hear anything about a cancellation of that production line project.
      Rumors are that the new Jetta will come with a new, NA 2.0 base engine. So, with that and this engine, VW would have two suitable engines lined up for the Polo.
      I have mentioned it before: with a reasonably spiffy but frugal engine, the Polo would make for a great city car in many US metropolitan areas. I certainly would have bought a 4-door GTI Polo over the Golf TDI I have on order, and at least from my vantage point, VW would have made more money on the deal (I doubt they are making any money on the Golf TDI). Also, the Polo would make a great platform for an EV or hybrid - or at least a "mild hybrid," so that VW can get on the map with that.
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      02-18-2010 09:29 PM #52
      I want it, but only if they add a 3rd electrically powered charger that runs off an enormous alternator that robs all the power gains from the original twinchargers.

    3. 02-19-2010 02:21 AM #53
      Quote, originally posted by feels_road »
      I don't know where you are getting that idea from. Currently, it is certainly the opposite - with the Golf one model version and numerous refinements ahead. And when the MkVI Jetta comes out this fall, the base version will certainly be lower than the Golf (e.g., not even IRS). In that sense, VW has already lined up their range quite well for the Polo introduction.

      You're completely right. I've been out of the scene for a while and completely ignored the new MkVI product lines. I agree, VWoA is positioning an opening at the bottom of the line for a Polo in some form or fashion. (Small side note, if the "Compact Coupe" is indeed the new Jetta then it would appear to be more up market than the Golf IMHO).
      If there is a return to the 2.0L base NA motor in the works as well then maybe 2012 could see the introduction of the Polo to the US market. The sad part is that will be a year behind Chrysler/Fiat.

      So, what do you think, base model with the 2.0 NA and the GTI sporting the 2.0T with the 7speed DSG at launch?

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      02-19-2010 06:27 AM #54
      Yes. Please sell this alongside the New Scirocco. Thanks. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      02-19-2010 07:50 AM #55
      European press release below.


      180 PS strong Polo GTI with 5.9 litre consumption is 25 percent more fuel efficient
      229 km/h fast Polo GTI debuts with standard 7-speed DSG
      Wolfsburg / Geneva, 19 February 2010 - The Polo GTI is back. A powerful 132 kW / 180 PS comeback! This GTI lives up to its legendary name: Superior handling properties unified with uncompromising engine dynamics and a maximum of safety. The list of high-tech features runs through the new Polo GTI like a common theme. Take the engine: This Polo is powered by a new 1.4-litre TSI with petrol direct injection plus turbo- and supercharging. Textbook downsizing. Power is transferred to the front wheels via a 7-speed DSG, which is standard equipment. An electronic transverse differential lock (XDS) reduces the tendency to understeer and especially improves handling in quick driving through curves.
      Equipped in this way, the Polo GTI – available in a three-door and a five-door version – is extremely agile and super efficient underway: Weighing 1,194 kg, the Polo GTI accelerates to 100 km/h in just 6.9 seconds and reaches a top speed of 229 km/h. At the same time, it is the most fuel efficient and lowest emitting GTI of all times. Combined fuel consumption: just 5.9 litres per 100 kilometres. That is equivalent to CO2 emissions of just 139 g/km.
      By comparison: Its direct predecessor with regard to power – also equipped with a 180 PS 1.8-litre turbo engine - consumed 7.9 litres per 100 kilometres (equivalent to 188 g/km CO2). This means that the new car is 25 percent more fuel efficient. That’s real progress. The GTI is also the first Polo to be available with bi-xenon headlights including cornering light, LED daytime running light and corner marker light as well as a panoramic tilt/slide sunroof.
      TSI drive: More power by engine charging
      The tradition of the sporty top Polo model versions reaches back nearly a quarter of a century and is based on the legendary Polo Coupé G40 from 1986. As the first car ever to be equipped with a mechanical G-charger – it re-defined the vehicle dynamic limits in this segment. Its engine had a power of 83 kW / 113 PS and made the Polo G40, which in top condition today is a coveted collector’s item, nearly 200 km/h fast. In contrast, the predecessor of the new Polo GTI first switched over to turbo technology in the year 2006. Its base version had a power of 110 kW / 150 PS; the legendary Cup Edition then took this figure up to 180 PS.
      Back to the future: At the end of May, the first new Polo GTIs will appear in Germany, and will then progressively be introduced across Europe and in Japan. The combination of direct injection, supercharger and turbocharger under one engine bonnet will generate plenty of excitement in this segment. The 180 PS Euro-5 16-valve four-cylinder engine reaches its maximum power at 6,200 rpm. Its maximum torque of 250 Newton-metres is also impressive for an engine of this size. It is already there from 2,000 rpm and stays at a constantly high level up to 4,500 rpm. These numbers highlight the fact that very torque-strong and rpm-loving 1.4 TSI has an easy game of it with the Polo GTI. It breathes a rare level of agility into the quick front-wheel drive car in all of life’s situations and at all engine speeds.
      DSG transmission: Extremely efficient, extremely sporty
      Having a positive effect on this dynamic is the standard 7-speed DSG. The direct shift gearbox unifies the sports appeal and economy of a manual gearbox with the operating convenience of an automatic. As an alternative to the fully-automatic mode, the DSG may also be shifted manually – either by gearshift lever via the Tiptronic shift gate or via the standard shift paddle on the steering wheel.
      The new Polo GTI
      Sport chassis: 15 millimetres lower and 17-inch tyres
      The top performing variant in the Polo model range is a thoroughly sporty and safe car. Among the systems responsible for this is the GTI sport chassis including ESP and the XDS electronic transverse differential lock. It ensures that the Polo GTI’s power is cleanly transferred to the road, even in tight serpentine curves. The running gear is based on the fundamental layout of a McPherson front suspension and semi-independent rear suspension combined with exceptionally dynamic tuning. New, stiffer dampers are linked to specially modified springs that lower the ride height by 15 millimetres compared to “Normal versions”. The effect: lower angles of body roll and a lower centre of gravity. Both have positive effects vehicle dynamics through curves. Serving the same purpose are the low-profile tyres (215/40 R17 87V) on alloy wheels in GTI-typical 5-hole “Denver” styling (7Jx17), whose look the new top Polo shares with the Golf GTI.
      Perfectly regulated: ESP plus XDS sets the direction
      When it comes to safety, the Polo GTI is fully equipped right from the factory, e.g. with generously dimensioned brakes and the standard ESP stabilisation programme. Networked with this are numerous other electronic modules such as the anti-lock braking (ABS), hill hold control, anti-slip regulation (ASR), engine drag torque control (MSR) and electronic differential locks (EDS). Tyre pressure is also sensed by the standard tyre pressure monitoring system (TPMS).
      A modern extension of familiar EDS functions is the XDS electronic transverse differential lock, like the one Volkswagen presented for the first time on the Golf GTI. XDS improves handling through fast curves and calibrates the car to be more “neutral”, since it prevents slip of the unloaded wheel at the inside of the curve by active brake intervention, improving traction. This system, standard equipment on the Polo GTI, accesses existing sensor data such as steering wheel angle, yaw rate and wheel speeds. The effect: more safety and driving fun, because the Polo GTI steers even more precisely with XDS.

      GTI features: Sporty and legendary
      The new top model in the Polo range is easy to recognize as a GTI at first glance – inside and outside. It openly displays the visual insignia of this unique badge.
      Exterior: Here the sportiest Polo stands out from the crowd with the two classic red trim strips on its radiator grille. From its role model – the larger Golf GTI – it has adopted the honeycomb structure of the air inlets inserts in the uniquely styled front apron. Also GTI-specific are the fender flares and the rear spoiler painted in body colour. Other exterior details of the Polo GTI include the already mentioned 17-inch alloy wheels in “Denver” styling that offer a clear view of the red painted brake callipers, as well as a customised rear apron with a diffuser look in its lower section. Integrated on the left side are the chrome dual tailpipes of the exhaust system.
      Two other features are available as options for the first time on the new Polo GTI in this model series: the electrically operated panoramic tilt/slide sunroof extending back to the B-pillars, and the completely new layout of the bi-xenon headlights. As mentioned previously, also integrated in the dual headlights were the LED daytime running lights, corner marker lights and cornering lights.
      Interior: Here too the 180-PS Polo impresses with genuine GTI ambiance. This is already achieved by the standard top sport seats with their classic fabric covers in typical diamond pattern, which stylishly recall the first GTIs of the 1970s. The roof liner, roof pillar trim, grab handles and sun visors are all styled in a sporty black; a glossy black surface treatment also decorates the panels of the centre console. They are coordinated with intentionally contrasting colour and material accents such as brushed chrome for the air vent surrounds and chrome accents for the round control knobs. Also completely styled in this brushed chrome look are the inside door handles, frames for the gearshift lever and parking brake, the DSG gearshift gate and the three spokes of the leather sport steering wheel. Styled in classic red are the distinctive decorative seams on the gearshift boot, parking brake grip and steering wheel.
      Moreover, the extensive list of standard features emphasise that sportiness and comfort are not incompatible concepts in the new Polo GTI. Along with the features already mentioned, they also include pedal caps in aluminium look, electric window lifts in front (three-door) and rear (five-door), electric adjusting and heated door mirrors, air conditioning, RF remote control of central locking and front fog lights. The leather trimmed steering wheel is equipped with two DSG paddles, one on the left and one on the right. Then there is of course a passive safety package with driver and front passenger airbags, head-thorax side airbags and belt tensioners in front, as well as Isofix points on the rear bench seat for suitably fitted child seats – features that make this Volkswagen not only the best and most fuel efficient Polo GTI since the model series was begun, but also the safest.[b/]
      More info here: https://www.volkswagen-media-s....html
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    6. 02-19-2010 12:18 PM #56
      Once again a very strong GTI version from Volkswagen

    7. 02-19-2010 12:31 PM #57
      DSG "standard" = dealbreaker. Seriously...on a GTI??? Bummer...love the car otherwise!
      GS

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      02-19-2010 12:59 PM #58
      180HP/180torxs in a 2600lb car that gets 40mpg US. That's a no brainer VWoA, this car is awesome and needs to come to the US.
      Polo's have been available in Mexico and South America for years as I'm sure this model will be. Surely a Mexico built Polo GTI could make a business case for US federalization.
      Bring it VWoA ... please.
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      The old ride: 2001 VW GTI 1.8T 10 years and 179,000 miles! Sold to a good home in March 2011 and still going strong at 230,000 miles. Wish I'd never sold it.

    9. 02-19-2010 01:56 PM #59
      Great, now the CrossPolo is announced making a perfect car for my wife... If only we lived in Europe.

    10. 02-19-2010 03:54 PM #60
      i think they should send a couple thousand numbered polos like they did with the r32s and this is what would probobly happen.
      Five thousand r32 were produced and intended to be sold over a two-year period, but the entire line was sold out within 13 months
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk4

      one more cool fact about the r32

      It also has a surprisingly high resale and used-car value; the Kelley Blue Book used car retail price (the price an individual might expect to pay for one from a dealer) for a model in excellent condition with low mileage actually exceeds the original retail price of the car in many cases, making it one of a few recent cars that have actually approached an increase in value over time. This premium can be explained mostly due to scarcity, both of the cars themselves due to low production and importation, and especially ones that still have extremely low mileage
      they should have done this with the scirocco also

      does any1 have any vw ceo job applications laying around i would like
      to fill one out


      Modified by mk2-ing-it at 9:06 PM 2-19-2010

    11. 02-19-2010 03:56 PM #61
      even if they dont make killer money on us JUST KEEP US HAPPY DAMIT

    12. 02-19-2010 03:59 PM #62
      Quote, originally posted by BoraSport »
      You're completely right. I've been out of the scene for a while and completely ignored the new MkVI product lines. I agree, VWoA is positioning an opening at the bottom of the line for a Polo in some form or fashion. (Small side note, if the "Compact Coupe" is indeed the new Jetta then it would appear to be more up market than the Golf IMHO).
      If there is a return to the 2.0L base NA motor in the works as well then maybe 2012 could see the introduction of the Polo to the US market. The sad part is that will be a year behind Chrysler/Fiat.

      So, what do you think, base model with the 2.0 NA and the GTI sporting the 2.0T with the 7speed DSG at launch?


      the sad part is that in 2012 the worlds gonna end

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      02-19-2010 06:47 PM #63
      i have to say that this car is perhaps the most beautiful, perfect, and complete design i have ever seen. It is as close to flawless as you can get, and it breaks my damn heart that I cannot own it. Even if a "US-specific" polo comes here, that sounds like a different car and I doubt it will be this good, and too little too late to boot. The bottom line is to truly be a great car company in this country you sometimes need to find the freakin balls to figure out a way to get this done, and soon. The worst thing that a company can do (Chrysler is probably the worst at this) is wait for everyone else to act and then jump in last. The whole pie will be eaten by then and stupid corporate pigs will say "see I told you it wouldn't work". It's like watching a dog chase its tail, and this lofty sales goal will never come to fruition without a car like this.
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      02-19-2010 11:00 PM #64
      Quote, originally posted by lord kelvin »
      DSG "standard" = dealbreaker. Seriously...on a GTI??? Bummer...love the car otherwise!
      GS

      I wouldn't worry about that. The press release says: "Polo GTI debuts with standard 7-speed DSG."
      In Europe, many people still prefer a manual transmission - I would expect that to be available within a few months. The 7-speed dry-clutch DSG is the first VW transmission that actually gets better mileage than a manual (the 6-speed, oil-bath is typically rated 10% worse than its manual counterpart). My feeling is that VW just wants to showcase the technology and demonstrate the good fuel economy at introduction.
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    15. 02-21-2010 10:06 PM #65
      My perfect car.
      The lease on my GTi is up next month, and instead of getting into another one, I'm considering the Fit or maybe holding out for the Fiesta. Sub-compact is now the only class I am considering -- shame there are only a handful of models to choose from.

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      02-22-2010 09:30 PM #66
      VWoA, my current lease is over in a couple years. Bring it and I will buy.
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    17. 02-24-2010 10:33 AM #67
      Well it is sad that you are prob going to miss out on this one.
      Working at VW in Denmark, we have had a few in already, comfortline's with 1.4 gas and 1.6 tdi, quality is some what better than the 9n2, though the overall impression is much better.
      Assembly quality a bit poor atm and quite a few transport damages compared to other models.
      The models is produced in spain, dont know if that would make it a better deal for VW, to ship over??
      The 6r gti is prob going to cost 75% of a golf 6 gti here in denmark.
      Even here the polo gti's are very rare, and it has not been imported through all the years, only the old gt and g40(polo 2) and 6n2(2000-2001) have been avalible from dealers.
      Because of the small marked and high price here, we pay about 2-3 times more for a car compared to germany, because of taxes.
      But luckily we are going to have this, because the new Seat ibiza cupra is avalible(almost the same model).
      Regards from denmark!!


      Modified by MV_DK at 7:43 AM 2-24-2010

    18. 03-01-2010 08:32 PM #68
      shiza! like the Polo GTI! so many good point people make...15 years sounds right.. by time that younger guy gets promoted into the right position to make that decision...? DSG is a bust for me too, i like a 6spd. this polo looks jus as big as an mk2 how much bigger is it? compared it to an mk2 and mk5,6? VW is def missing out on what i thought was their plan by upping the size of every model then bring over the Polo to sell against Honda Fit + Smart Cars in the small car market in the U.S.
      feel ya on the No R, No Scirocco, No small truck, No Rallye Golf, No Eurovan, No mk5 Golf tdi... and so forth. im sure i missed a few.. dag even Canada gets better options. all boils down to money...the market.. and No one from VWOA is gonna care or read any of this... this Car would be perfect for my kid when he Graduates.............in ten years maybe then will VWOA get it together,, so i wont have to wait 15 years...yaHeard!

      i want my Corrado back!

    19. 03-02-2010 02:57 PM #69
      More from Autoblog from Geneva (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/0...st-ce):


    20. 03-02-2010 05:29 PM #70
      Oh my goodness, 180HP 1.4L and 39mpg, of course the USA can't get this marvel.
      (Here have another 4000 lb 6.0L gas guzzler though!)

    21. 03-22-2010 03:04 PM #71
      Wow. This is perfect for those of us trying to decide between TDI and GTI. What a little jewelbox!
      I do understand the VWOA would have a damn hard time trying to price this correctly. Even then they would probably lose money on every one they sell and it might be a "special order", just like a TDI...
      I'd pay MSRP for this no questions asked.

    22. 03-23-2010 01:33 PM #72
      Me likey...I suppose I could move back to the UK.

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      10-11-2011 01:46 PM #73
      Just 1 Fail....
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      10-12-2011 09:40 AM #74
      Like somebody said earlier. Bring the Polo GTI to the states in limited numbers like the MkIV R32. You can't lose. They'll all be snatched up if they are in limited numbers since there will be enough interest. After the Polo GTI sells like hot cakes, bring some Polo TDIs to the US market.

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      10-13-2011 04:33 PM #75
      nasty

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