I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes.
#1
Here we go again. Remember the last drama with McFly and his Genesis Coupe from Glenn Dale Hyundai? Well here is another similar story, this time at a Dodge dealer regarding a Challenger.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/0...r-new
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It's like déjà vu all over again. Fact: Dude wins an eBay auction for a 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 with 250 miles on the odometer. Fact: Usually a new (or in this case, new-ish) SRT8 sells for about $41,000. Fact: Winning bid was $29,100. Opinion: Sweet deal, bro!Of course there's the small matter of the people selling it not wanting to let it go for that price. The seller, Glenn E Thomas Dodge Chrysler Jeep in Signal Hill, CA near Long Beach, has apparently made the same mistake that Glenn Hyundai of Lexington, KY made with the Genesis Coupe. Meaning that somebody at Glenn E Thomas forgot to set a reserve on the auction, and they just sold a car for much less than they'd planned.
There's a 20+ page "discussion," raging over at Challengertalk.com. Opinions are slightly mixed, but it seems that the overriding sentiment is that the buyer (named Hitman) won the auction fair and square and that once again, a novice dealer has wandered into the minefield that is selling a new car for less than they intended via eBay. Last we heard, Hyundai of America stepped in and helped settle the Genesis Coupe debacle. Good luck to Hitman, that (possibly) lucky SOB.
Discussion at Challengertalk.com
http://www.challengertalk.com/...34598/
EDIT: Reading fail, got Glen Hyundai and Glen Thomas Dodge confused. The two are in different states. Therefore, are NOT in the same dealership network.
Modified by Galbi at 8:45 PM 3-16-2010
#2
I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes.
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#3
dealer needs to pay for it's mistake, take the loss, don't damage your credibility.
#4
jesus h. christ these dealers are dumb.an ebay sale is technically a "legally binding contract" so yeah, technically, that dealer is fukked!!
#5
Quote, originally posted by scoTT la rock » jesus h. christ these dealers are dumb. an ebay sale is technically a "legally binding contract" so yeah, technically, that dealer is fukked!!
So expensive to get a lawyer and fight it.Easier to leave negative feedback
#6
Someone is going to get canned.
#7
Quote, originally posted by scoTT la rock » jesus h. christ these dealers are dumb. an ebay sale is technically a "legally binding contract" so yeah, technically, that dealer is fukked!!
The ebay contract also makes allowances for "honest mistakes" by sellers.... ebay knows who pays them.
It would also be very difficult for a winning bidder to show a loss just based on being the winning bidder and not being able to buy said car at the winning bid price- to justify a lawsuit. All the car dealer has to do is cry auction error, then say they will gladly sell them the car at invoice.
Modified by BRealistic at 7:50 PM 3/16/2010
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#8
The dealership was an uber-noob at eBay judging by its 0 feedback and thus listed the car without a reserve.I think I'm gonna lurk eBay for a new GT-R or something with no reserve while having a lawyer on standby so I can be e-famous too!
#9
Quote, originally posted by scoTT la rock » jesus h. christ these dealers are dumb. an ebay sale is technically a "legally binding contract" so yeah, technically, that dealer is fukked!!
You need a good liar...I mean lawyer to fight the stealership in court. I can pretty much gaurantee that any savings from the low bid for the winner will be wasted in legal fees.
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#10
Quote, originally posted by Arsigi » I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes. X2. If one of my guys did that, I'd make sure we'd eat it, and he'd carpet dance in front of the owner. Only reasonable when you eff up.
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#11
I wonder what would happen if the guy accidentally bid $60K for the car. Would the dealer not pull the "legally binding contract" stuff? Anyways, I LOOOOOOVE that color.
#12
seems an inter-dealer memo learning the debacle of the genesis wasn't read by everyone...you'd think people would learn...
#13
Quote, originally posted by HaterSlayer » I wonder what would happen if the guy accidentally bid $60K for the car. Would the dealer not pull the "legally binding contract" stuff? Anyways, I LOOOOOOVE that color. Ebay has a retraction mechanism for unreasonably high bids.
#14
Who are these people putting cars on ebay for dealerships? Have they never placed an item for sale before? And if so, why would you ever have them handle your ebay sales to begin with
It's ebay, I find it hard to believe that nobody at the dealership has placed an item for sale on before. Dealership needs to eat it. Or this would be a great chance for Dodge to step in and generate some good will, in lieu of their bad press for handling the copyright infringement of the high school at Lake Mary, FL
#15
Quote, originally posted by sethgood » Ebay has a retraction mechanism for unreasonably high bids.
you cant retract within 24 hours of auction end.
nothing will happen.
the most they can do is file a non paying bidder strike against your account
which means nothing other than your account gets locked for a few days the first time around
this way the seller gets his listing fees back.
and sells it again
typically neither are really binding per say. however a nasty feedback on that dealers profile will cost him more than 10k down the road if he is to stick to ebay
im just
#16
Quote, originally posted by insertnickhere » you cant retract within 24 hours of auction end.
nothing will happen.
the most they can do is file a non paying bidder strike against your account
which means nothing other than your account gets locked for a few days the first time around
this way the seller gets his listing fees back.
and sells it again
typically neither are really binding per say. however a nasty feedback on that dealers profile will cost him more than 10k down the road if he is to stick to ebay
im just
Au contraire:
#17
Quote, originally posted by Ay_Caramba » The dealership was an uber-noob at eBay judging by its 0 feedback and thus listed the car without a reserve. Either that, or it was their feedback was uber-****ty and they tried to start a new account.
#18
Quote, originally posted by Arsigi » I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes.
I agree. One of my Drill Sergeants back in basic had a great saying. Stupidity should be painful.
#19
Pst, the dealer did not subjectively bargain for that amount of money. There is no contract.The buyer has no cause of action here. Move along.
#20
I still don't understand how people can't figure out e-Bay.Everytime I go back, it's all a-holes and idiots. Basically like the rest of the 'net.
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#21
Quote, originally posted by amerikanzero » dealer needs to pay for it's mistake, take the loss, don't damage your credibility. agree.
Originally Posted by Fritz27
#22
Quote, originally posted by Bonanza » Pst, the dealer did not subjectively bargain for that amount of money. There is no contract. The buyer has no cause of action here. Move along.
What crack are you smoking, 9-posty?There is a contract and the dealer subjectively bargained for a no-reserve sell.
#23
Quote, originally posted by BRealistic » ...makes allowances for "honest mistakes" by sellers....
This.
Put yourself in the dealership's shoes (I know, you're a perfect angel who would never dream of operating a for-profit enterprise). If you left a zero off a craig's list ad would you want to be stuck to selling your car for $1000 instead of $10000?
(Edit: I understand that's an imprecise analogy but hopefully you see my point)
Modified by Big Morgan at 10:58 AM 3-17-2010
#24
I don't get the eBay Reserve thing at all. Why is the starting bid so low when you can't win it at that price. If you don't want to sell it lower that X price, well then put the starting bid at X price!
#25
Quote, originally posted by MKVDSG »
What crack are you smoking, 9-posty?There is a contract and the dealer subjectively bargained for a no-reserve sell.
x2
Also for those that haven't followed the other threads, auction winners took dealers to court and won. Genesis coupe guy won and years back the Lancer Evo guy won too. Same circumstances.
#26
Luckily the dealer doesn't have alot of eBay rep so it's nothing to just start a new eBay account to dodge the negative feedback.
#27
Quote, originally posted by 2.Go Kompressed » Luckily the dealer doesn't have alot of eBay rep so it's nothing to just start a new eBay account to dodge the negative feedback.
hahaha...you obviously didn't hear about the hyundai story. it doesn't matter how many new e-bay accounts you create when you're getting slammed on national television
#28
There were over 1600 people viewing that link to the challenger forum!
#29
Quote, originally posted by archangel06 »
hahaha...you obviously didn't hear about the hyundai story. it doesn't matter how many new e-bay accounts you create when you're getting slammed on national television
Quote » EDIT: Reading fail, got Glen Hyundai and Glen Thomas Dodge confused. The two are in different states. Therefore, are NOT in the same dealership network
#30
eBay bids somehow fall into a strange quasi-legal contract that only is enforceable by those with deep pockets (i.e. dealership groups with lawyers on retainer and buyers who also happen to lawyers themselves).
#31
Quote, originally posted by Arsigi » I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes. How's that politically incorrect? I thought that was well-agreed upon.
I think eBay is just going to have to ban all dealerships owned by guys named "Glenn" from posting auctions.
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#32
Quote, originally posted by Arsigi » I know it is politically incorrect these days, but I am all for making people pay for their stupid mistakes.
Especially car dealerships.
#33
Quote, originally posted by PsyberVW »
reference by moderator to archangel06's supposed confusionfor clarification, my point was made from a marketing perspective. the comment was made by the poster i quoted that the seller could change ebay accounts to avoid this bad publicity. i was simply citing the prior example of the hyundai dealership (which, as stated, has no affiliation with this one) as an example of why it's not so easy to shake off bad publicity due to lasting negative impressions in televion and web media.
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Modified by archangel06 at 10:09 AM 3-17-2010
#34
Quote, originally posted by valfaw » seems an inter-dealer memo learning the debacle of the genesis wasn't read by everyone... you'd think people would learn...
Sorry, meant to quote this guy
#35
Quote, originally posted by SinisterMind » Also for those that haven't followed the other threads, auction winners took dealers to court and won. Genesis coupe guy won and years back the Lancer Evo guy won too. Same circumstances.
If nothing else, there is some precedent being established for cases like this. Although IIRC neither of those cases were settled in a cut-and-dry "OK, you get the car for your original bid" manner. AFAIK both of them ended up with the dealer agreeing to accept an amount somewhere between their intended price and the final bid.
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