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      03-23-2010 08:05 PM #36
      Quote, originally posted by Runin2Rich4FSi »
      I swapped out my APR pump and went back to the stock one.

      Willing to part with that APR LPFP?

      If so, PM me.


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      03-23-2010 08:09 PM #37
      Quote, originally posted by Runin2Rich4FSi »
      I swapped out my APR pump and went back to the stock one.

      mmmm well I may swap this RS4 valve in when I check my cam follower and intake valves next time i have the manifold off just for future LPFP option it can't hurt IMO Bob.G

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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      03-23-2010 08:51 PM #38
      genuinevwaudiparts.com has the valve for $70.20 + shipping.

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      03-23-2010 11:18 PM #39
      sweet! tx staulkor

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      03-23-2010 11:30 PM #40
      does anyone know what bar uni big turbo file runs?

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      03-23-2010 11:50 PM #41
      Now that's a bargain. Make sure it's not the A version.

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      03-23-2010 11:51 PM #42
      Low 120s

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      03-24-2010 10:23 AM #43
      just ordered my new valve.

    9. 03-24-2010 03:08 PM #44
      got one coming too. We'll see what happens. Not expecting big things but not expecting anything bad to come of it either. Worst case, i'll have another round of intake valve pics to post

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      03-25-2010 10:57 PM #45
      Does anyone see any reason to run this valve with software that only request 122 bar? My Giac request that and in 4th gear at 7200rpm it sometimes dips to 119.xx. Ive seen my low side pressure down to about 3.7 bar. Seems different people have different opinions about minimum low side fp.

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      03-26-2010 01:03 AM #47
      Quote, originally posted by loudgli »
      Does anyone see any reason to run this valve with software that only request 122 bar? My Giac request that and in 4th gear at 7200rpm it sometimes dips to 119.xx. Ive seen my low side pressure down to about 3.7 bar. Seems different people have different opinions about minimum low side fp.

      This

      but more along the lines of a unitronic big turbo car on RS4 injectors that could use more fuel to run high boost at a nice AFR. If i upgraded the in-tank pump and added the RS4 valve i wonder how much more it would flow to the rs4 injectors.


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      03-26-2010 08:24 AM #48
      Call me crazy for even thinking of a theory:

      Arin informed me of this issue many many moons ago when I first got my APR HPFP. I thought there was something wrong with my HPFP. Anywho, it just so happens that the highest HP FSI was an APR tuned car. Riddle me this batman, could this be one of the so called "secret parts" that USP was using to yeild such high HP?

      If so, prepare to see many many many more high HP dyno figures as this mod becomes
      more popular.

      I bet uni will custom tune to 135 bar shortly.

      500whp on pump gas FSIs will soon be the norm.


      Modified by CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi at 7:25 AM 3-26-2010


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      03-26-2010 08:40 AM #49
      I don´t understand, why everybody is so surprised now...the topic was already discussed some months ago and just a few were intereseted

      I hope for new injector testings due to flow rate and spray pattern of the rs4´s. Everybody remembers the picture from AWE tuning and first view lower flow rates of RS4 injectors compared to S3 ones.

      Maybe also the black smoke problem can be solved or improved with our sperical dish design pistons and RS4 injectors under higher pressure!

      ...for my project, the FP Valve lays at home since november..


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      03-26-2010 09:45 AM #50
      Quote, originally posted by Hendrik »
      I don´t understand, why everybody is so surprised now...the topic was already discussed some months ago and just a few were intereseted

      I hope for new injector testings due to flow rate and spray pattern of the rs4´s. Everybody remembers the picture from AWE tuning and first view lower flow rates of RS4 injectors compared to S3 ones.

      Maybe also the black smoke problem can be solved or improved with our sperical dish design pistons and RS4 injectors under higher pressure!

      ...for my project, the FP Valve lays at home since november..

      The flow tests are not done at full pressure, they are done at only about 100psi if i recall correctly from speaking with the company who makes the machine.


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      03-26-2010 11:21 AM #51
      Quote, originally posted by chris@revotechnik »

      The flow tests are not done at full pressure, they are done at only about 100psi if i recall correctly from speaking with the company who makes the machine.

      exactly.

      So the flow/spray pattern @ 135bar (1958.00946psi) is completely different that those documents showing 100psi flow/spray pattern.

      The stock valve on it's best day only provides 1885.49059 psi of pressure which most don't even get to see.

      With the RS4 valve the minimum psi seen is the maximum of the stock GTi one.


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      03-26-2010 01:39 PM #52
      From the looks of it, this is really only beneficial for BT cars, or at least vehicles equipped with anything but a K03. Is that right? Would this be a beneficial mod for someone running stage 2+ on stock K03? Excuse my noobness lol.

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      03-26-2010 01:51 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by julito04 »
      From the looks of it, this is really only beneficial for BT cars, or at least vehicles equipped with anything but a K03. Is that right? Would this be a beneficial mod for someone running stage 2+ on stock K03? Excuse my noobness lol.

      no. It's beneficial for anyone running a HPFP with the software requesting 127+ bar of fuel rail pressure.

      I believe uni is the only tuner requesting under 127bar.


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      03-26-2010 01:52 PM #54
      Quote, originally posted by julito04 »
      From the looks of it, this is really only beneficial for BT cars, or at least vehicles equipped with anything but a K03. Is that right? Would this be a beneficial mod for someone running stage 2+ on stock K03? Excuse my noobness lol.

      might not be the case.... towards the end of my cars stage2 life.. it appeared that my car was lacking a little bit of power... we never really looked into it so maybe I was hitting the valves max capacity even with stage 2. who knows... only way to find out is to test it yourself. Run logs ripping through 2nd 3rd, 4th, and 5th and see how low your values go for actual fuel pressure.


    20. 03-26-2010 03:53 PM #55
      My new valve should arrive early next week. Any requests for before and after comparison logs? Tell me which blocks you want to see and under which kind of driving conditions.

    21. 03-26-2010 04:13 PM #56
      Quote, originally posted by ndifadvokit »
      My new valve should arrive early next week. Any requests for before and after comparison logs? Tell me which blocks you want to see and under which kind of driving conditions.

      Hmmm, i'd like you to log intake temps and oil level while doing a 180 turn going backwards...

      Yeah...that should do it !!!!


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      03-26-2010 04:15 PM #57
      Quote, originally posted by ndifadvokit »
      My new valve should arrive early next week. Any requests for before and after comparison logs? Tell me which blocks you want to see and under which kind of driving conditions.

      goapr.com

      then go to support and log what they consider round 1 and round 4.


    23. 03-26-2010 05:56 PM #58
      Quote, originally posted by GolfRS »

      Hmmm, i'd like you to log intake temps and oil level while doing a 180 turn going backwards...

      Yeah...that should do it !!!!

      hmm, i think a video would better capture that moment


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      03-26-2010 07:05 PM #59
      Quote, originally posted by CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi »
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      more popular.

      I bet uni will custom tune to 135 bar shortly.

      Why stop there?

      If im not mistaking the 1.4TSI twin charged thats used in Europe runs up to 150 bar .
      So just as long as the pump can put it out and the fuel system can support it im sure the tuners can get more fueling out of those rs4 injectors and then will need the limiting valve from the 1.4TSI Bob.G

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

    25. 03-26-2010 07:09 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by rracerguy717 »

      Why stop there?

      If im not mistaking the 1.4TSI twin charged thats used in Europe runs up to 150 bar .
      So just as long as the pump can put it out and the fuel system can support it im sure the tuners can get more fueling out of those rs4 injectors and then will need the limiting valve from the 1.4TSI Bob.G

      IIRC the 2.0TSI also uses a 150bar limiting valve.


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      03-26-2010 07:18 PM #61
      Quote, originally posted by crew219 »

      IIRC the 2.0TSI also uses a 150bar limiting valve.

      Good too know Dave thanks

      Is it a plug and play swap in the FSI fuel rail?

      That would be nice !!!!! Bob.G

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

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      150bar? May not be a good idea. Doesn't anyone remember this from back in the day?


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      03-26-2010 08:01 PM #63
      Quote, originally posted by Arin@APR »
      150bar? May not be a good idea. Doesn't anyone remember this from back in the day?


      Prob failed because the mechanical limits of the flat tappet follower setup in the FSI

      It would have to follow basically how the HPFP system on the TSI engine with some type of roller follower IMO. Bob.G

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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      03-28-2010 12:04 AM #64
      Staulkor, did you use the part number mentioned earlier (079130757) on genuinevwaudiparts.com and under what Audi model did you search because I found only A6, Q5, R8 and S6. And somebody mentioned revision A - are there a couple of revisions and which one is the right one? Thanks.


      Modified by bokiNY at 6:23 PM 3-29-2010

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      03-28-2010 10:37 AM #65
      Quote, originally posted by Arin@APR »
      150bar? May not be a good idea. Doesn't anyone remember this from back in the day?


      well what fuel pump was he using and i wonder if his follower had alot of wear before he started that 150 bar stuff


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      03-28-2010 01:05 PM #66
      Quote, originally posted by bokiNY »
      Staulkor, did you use the part number mentioned earlier (079130757) on genuinevwaudiparts.com and under what Audi model did you search because I found only A6, Q5, R8 and S6. And somebody mentioned revision A - are there a couple of revisions and which one is the right one? Thanks.


      Modified by bokiNY at 11:41 AM 3-28-2010

      I went to the Audi stealership prior to purchasing te correct valve online. The one you speak of is the A version meant for the models you speak of. The 079130757 is RS4 specific.


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      03-29-2010 11:48 AM #67
      So how do we order one from genuinevwaudiparts.com if there's no RS4 option when searching and you can't search for 079130757?
      Thanks

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      03-29-2010 11:50 AM #68
      Quote, originally posted by crew219 »

      IIRC the 2.0TSI also uses a 150bar limiting valve.

      If i am not mistaken the limiting valve on a TSI does not screw into the fuel rail it is built internal to the hpfp.


    34. 03-29-2010 11:54 AM #69
      Quote, originally posted by JC@DouglasVW »

      If i am not mistaken the limiting valve on a TSI does not screw into the fuel rail it is built internal to the hpfp.

      You're right . . . I just checked and the pump can produce a maximum of 150bar but the pressure limiting valve which is internal to the pump opens at 200 bar. Lol.

      Dave


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      03-29-2010 02:12 PM #70
      Google it.

      It comes up on ecs site and worldimpex


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