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      03-24-2010 08:58 PM #1
      So I dont come off as a dumb *****, the hate is only for the Rust in my tank!
      I have been trying to troubleshoot some issues I have been having with my 89 cabby. She had a 2.0 swap early 2008 but unfortunately has mostly sat ever since. I figured it was a clogged fuel filter. But it turns out that there was never one installed after the swap, . So I took a look inside the tank and found this

      If you look closely you can see all the rust chips at the bottom of the tank and the rust on the tank pump

      Fuel Level Sending Unit


      I am going to replace it all
      Tank
      Fuel Level Sending Unit
      Fuel transfer pump
      Fuel pump
      Fuel Pressure Accumulator
      Fuel Filter
      And I am going to attempt to clean the lines (never did that before)
      Everyone I have asked says its a pain to pull the tank and replace the fuel system. I have done a lot of searching and found some good DIY threads for everything but the fuel tank removal. Anyone have any tips, suggestions?




      Modified by rar335 at 10:40 AM 3-26-2010

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      03-25-2010 12:33 AM #2
      Rust is caused by water intrusion.
      Check the filler neck and all the fuel vapor hoses for splits, cuts, leaks and fix them.




      Quote Originally Posted by kamzcab86
      I hate reading: "But I bought this car for $500 and don't want to put another dime into it."
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      03-25-2010 12:38 AM #3
      Quote, originally posted by tolusina »
      Rust is caused by water intrusion.
      Check the filler neck and all the fuel vapor hoses for splits, cuts, leaks and fix them.



      I didn't think of that, I can purchase a replacement filler neck. Then it should be new from back to front. I think I will use the POR 15 fuel tank sealer in the new tank just to be safe... Thanks! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      03-25-2010 11:55 AM #4
      Wow, that's fugly!!!!!!
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      03-25-2010 12:03 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by dasdachshund »
      Wow, that's fugly!!!!!!
      -dasdachshund

      Yea it is I'm taking the tank off today. Not really looking forward to it.

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      03-25-2010 11:36 PM #6
      Tolusina, you were right...
      After I took the tank off I found rust in an upper hose, didn't have time to investigate properly but there shouldn't be rust in there... Should have all the new parts monday, we will see if this does the trick... Thanks again for the advice...










      Modified by rar335 at 11:45 PM 3-25-2010

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      03-26-2010 08:19 AM #7
      You didn't drop your axle? wowsers.
      From the pic's I would have to say that part of your problems was the fuel tank sender seal. There is too much rust on the top in the pics as well as the amount of rust on the seal (o-ring) itself.
      I would clean the bejeezers out of the sealing surfaces as it looks as if water was pooling around the tank top.



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      03-26-2010 08:34 AM #8
      Quote, originally posted by rar335 »
      I didn't think of that, I can purchase a replacement filler neck. Then it should be new from back to front. I think I will use the POR 15 fuel tank sealer in the new tank just to be safe... Thanks! [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      CAREFUL WITH POR-15 .. It has been along time since I have read over the specs for the tank sealer but from what I remember about the standard paint it only worked ON TOP OF rust. It there was no rust it literally peels off. I am sure the tank sealer works differently but you still want to follow the instructions meticulously. Other than that.. POR-15 is to rust like duckape is to vinyl tops. A temporary fix. :-P

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      03-26-2010 08:51 AM #9
      Quote, originally posted by briano1234 »
      You didn't drop your axle? wowsers.


      Course I did, no other way to do it. I just didn't want to remove it completely because then I would have had to bleed the brakes. I gently loosened the tabs holding the brakes to the body of the car. Unbolted the axle and lowered it with a jack. Very straight forward. The pic is after I was finished removing it. I bolted it back up to protect the brake lines, just in case it swung. Thanks!

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      03-26-2010 08:59 AM #10
      Quote, originally posted by djoutsider711 »
      CAREFUL WITH POR-15 .. It has been along time since I have read over the specs for the tank sealer but from what I remember about the standard paint it only worked ON TOP OF rust. It there was no rust it literally peels off. I am sure the tank sealer works differently but you still want to follow the instructions meticulously. Other than that.. POR-15 is to rust like duckape is to vinyl tops. A temporary fix. :-P

      This is the product that I will be using, http://www.por15.com/FUEL-TANK.../FTRK/ Its the por-15 fuel tank kit. Have you used it before? I was going to buy a new tank but there $170, this is $75. Might just have my old tank boiled out and cleaned very well. LMK what you think...

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      03-26-2010 09:15 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by dasdachshund »

      Oh man, you have fugly tires, too!!!!!



      And are you flipping off your emergency brake cable bracket?
      -dasdachshund
      The bird is pointing at the fuel pump and my tires are brand new less then 500 miles in them. What exactly is fugly about it


      Modified by rar335 at 10:33 AM 3-26-2010

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      03-26-2010 09:27 AM #12
      Sorry, you really do have hate in your heart. I thought I used enough smiley faces to convey my thoughts.
      Post deleted. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      03-26-2010 09:44 AM #13
      if you have hate in your heart, let it out.
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      03-26-2010 10:31 AM #14
      Quote, originally posted by dasdachshund »
      Sorry, you really do have hate in your heart. I thought I used enough smiley faces to convey my thoughts.
      Post deleted. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      -dasdachsund

      I want to APOLOGIZE! In no way was I trying to rub you the wrong way or to come across as a *****. I only have hate for the rust in my tank. Its very hard to recognize sarcasm thru text (we should create a sarcasm font). I am on Vortex to meet new people that love VW's the way I do and to learn. I respect everyones opinions and am glad because you can look at things in a different way. So maybe we should start over.
      You think my tires are fugly. I think that the wheels are fugly because the clear coat is faded. and all needs to be redone ...

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      03-26-2010 10:46 AM #15
      There's a nearby junkyard, or someone nearby is parting a Cabby with a good tank, find one used.


      Quote Originally Posted by kamzcab86
      I hate reading: "But I bought this car for $500 and don't want to put another dime into it."
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      03-26-2010 12:00 PM #16
      Quote, originally posted by briano1234 »
      You didn't drop your axle? wowsers.

      That was my first thought too. Good move dropping the axle just enough to yank the tank.
      But if you HAD been able to remove the tank without dropping the axle, you would have become a legend.

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      03-26-2010 01:52 PM #17
      Check out this post in the LouisvilleVW forum. Last I heard it was still available. http://louisvillevw.org/forums...-Tank

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      03-26-2010 02:26 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by JPX »
      That was my first thought too. Good move dropping the axle just enough to yank the tank.
      But if you HAD been able to remove the tank without dropping the axle, you would have become a legend.

      Thanks, being a legend would have been fun

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      03-26-2010 02:27 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by Moljinar »
      Check out this post in the LouisvilleVW forum. Last I heard it was still available. http://louisvillevw.org/forums...-Tank

      I had to regestar on that site so I can send him a PM. Thanks hopefully he will ship to me... [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      04-07-2010 10:36 AM #20
      Quote, originally posted by rar335 »
      I want to APOLOGIZE! In no way was I trying to rub you the wrong way or to come across as a *****. I only have hate for the rust in my tank. Its very hard to recognize sarcasm thru text (we should create a sarcasm font). I am on Vortex to meet new people that love VW's the way I do and to learn. I respect everyones opinions and am glad because you can look at things in a different way. So maybe we should start over.
      You think my tires are fugly. I think that the wheels are fugly because the clear coat is faded. and all needs to be redone ...

      Just getting back to this post......sometimes my attempts at humor are a bit.......off. My bad. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]
      Hows the build going? [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      04-07-2010 11:27 AM #21
      hell for 170 i would buy one brand new. that sounds cheap to me (not you the fuel tank)
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      04-07-2010 08:18 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by dasdachshund »
      Just getting back to this post......sometimes my attempts at humor are a bit.......off. My bad. [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]
      Hows the build going? [IMG]http://*****************.com/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      -dasdachshund
      Good... I decided to remove my rear beam and clean it up along with the wheel wells and rear discs. Ill put up some pics, came out pretty well... I had to source all the new fuel parts, I replaced everything. Just waiting on a few more parts to arrive and Ill be able to put it all together. Prob is my wife said I can't spend anymore loot on the dub until we get back from vaca. so I won't have the fuel tank until the end of April.

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      04-07-2010 08:20 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by vdubbugman53 »
      hell for 170 i would buy one brand new. that sounds cheap to me (not you the fuel tank)
      I definitely am, but I found one for a little cheaper thanks!

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      04-08-2010 05:14 PM #24
      So I decided to clean up the rear beam, breaks and wheel wells while I was waiting for my fuel parts to arrive. Here are some pics...
      Before...



      After...







      LMK what you think...


      Modified by rar335 at 6:04 PM 4-8-2010

    25. 04-08-2010 10:01 PM #25
      That looks awsome ! Great job...

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