The Official Gran Turismo 5 Thread

[U n i o n 0015]

Eh so the more I play, the more I find the game to be quite boring, but man is photo mode a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Wish Forza's was even half as good. The quality of photos you can export is sick.

[mellbergVWfan]

here I'll help with one

LOL. I have A Gold but can't beat that challenge on B or the next one with the Renault. Now I'm almost there.

[Yugoslavia!]

here I'll help with one

If I only knew that!
After hours with that one I think I started to develop some sort of tourettes syndrome..

Makes me feel better that I eventually got all golds in both B and A without cheating, though.

[Notch__Johnson]

I'm stuck on IA-10, the one with all the Lambos that you cant bump into

[Shift_Star]

I just got the game myself, add me on PSN, my name is lo_keeh

[nicoli]

Have you guys seen this? I'm not sure who's talking, or what the source is, because the link isn't working for me. Someone posted it in the GT5 thread in TCL. All I can say is if this is true, and they follow through with these things, a game I'm really starting to enjoy is about to get even better! Not to mention, most of everyone's criticisms are addressed.

http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.p...=32193&st=1179

For those too lazy to follow the link:

We were personally actually quite surprised by the raitings it got, we expected lower! We know the game doesn't show all the dev time we've put in to it, but we're working on that.

We did have a near finished product when we released prolouge, we were looking at a period of about 8 months before release.

Then Sony demanded the entire game be 1080p, 60FPS. We had it coded at 720p, 30FPS.

Sadly no more space for the systems we developed, so they're on the sideline. They'll be released as DLC eventually, but Sony pushed for a release now (PS3 sales need a boost for Christmas).

We ARE working on feedback though, and things like this keep coming up (along with DRM on saves, crappy menu design etc) and they will be improved through DLC if everything goes according to plan.

As for Premium/Standard, Kaz wanted over 1000 fully modeled car, but as I said before Sony rushed the release so we had to import the low poly GT4 models and upscale them a bit.

It was ambitious, but it would've worked. We had just enough power to work with to get everything in (including 3D crowds/trees and all cars as premiums).

The Yaris will appear in the used car dealership.

The Vitz is a new car and a premium model, it's a Yaris by another name.

Yes, there are more model specific races this time round. New events will be added via DLC, the first ones will be races with bhp limits (250, 350, 500).

-Standards upgraded to premiums (higher poly models, dash view, changeable rims etc).
-Brake tuning will be added
-New tracks are being worked on
-New races/championships will be released that are BHP limited, not manufacturer limited.
-There will be an as yet unnanounced update to online play (I can't say more than this).
-B Spec and replays will get fast forward buttons.
-Some more stuff I can't say yet


It's a common complaint, and it's being worked on. Priority for audio just now is to give the user their own BGM on menus as well as in race, to equalize the volume of in-race user BGM and to give a more seemless transition of audio when you change screens.
Some new engine sounds are being worked on too.


Sorry nothing I can do there. We are in the process of setting up dedicated race series though (this is the next stage in online development) to allow users to run their own series, just like those in A-Spec. Some of these will have rewards for the best racers.

There will be some old favourites brought back from earlier in the series, but I can't say which yet - it's a surprise!
We didn't want to just offer upscaled tracks so we're redesigning them from scratch. They look fantastic so far!

Exiting the menus is awkward right now, I agree. It's planned to make the "O" button take you right out of a menu and not have to press "X" to confirm every time, but it's not a high priority at the moment. There's always the "My home" button for when you're in A-Spec/B-Spec.

-Load times can't be fixed, it's due to the amount of data that has to be loaded from the disk, and we can't speed that up. If it's REALLY slow, disconnect from PSN. Equally if you have a slow internet connection menus will lag, since we've programmed online integration in both since and multiplayer.

-There's plans to release several new "Home Screens" and allow the user to choose the layout that suits them best. Not a priority though, we want to sort out the gameplay first.

-Jazz music, might not be everyones tastes but it was chosen at team meetings. As I said earlier, soon you'll be able to replace the background BGM with user BGM so it won't be an issue.

-Delievered cars are being worked on as a priority. Chances are the fuction will stay but the cutscene will be skippable.

-As for loving your own music, it'll be equalized in volume across all tracks soon, and you'll be able to change tracks in game, so it should get even better!

The conformation pop-ups are there because of Sony. Apparently people get all pissy if we don't warn them they're about to do something, so we don't really have a choice on all of them, but some will go. We did try though.

Everything will be released sequentially, bit by bit in different patches for those on slower internet connections (each patch will be no bigger than 150Mb).

As I said above, we had to import the AI system from GT4 with a few tweaks. We have a whole new system almost ready to go but Sony's requirements for 1080p/60FPS means we couldn't get it done on time. It'll be available in patch in due course.

DLC won't be announced until it's up and online. This way if it's delayed a bit we don't get people moaning again. We want it perfect, especially after the criticism the game has got.

Wait and see. New cars will be available via DLC *eventually*. Most likely these will cost.

We were pressured in to a release by Sony who really need to boost PS3 sales this Christmas. This title is a console seller, hence the rush.

All standard car sounds were imported from GT4 (with a bit of tweaking on some).
When they become premium cars the engine sounds will be updated too.
As for the engine sounds on premium cars, they were recorded specifically for GT5. If they don't sound good, get a new setup because in the test labs here they sound fantastic

NASCAR sounds were taken from the cars themselves. If they sound bad get a better speaker setup. As far as we're aware there's no EQ issues with engine noises but we're looking out for them in case they do crop up.

Can't change the rims on standards because they're completely different models to the premiums. High poly wheels on a low poly car would look crap. When they're upgraded to premium you'll be able to change wheels.

Phototravel isn't available for standard cars because the low poly count means they look bad if I'm honest. Jagged door frames, poor shadows, low quality textures.... we don't really want people taking pictures of those and spreading them round the net when we're working on making all cars premium, would give a false impression.
Photo travel will be available to all cars when upgraded to premium.

3D was a Sony requirement, to show off their new Bravia TVs (there will be bundle deals with TV/PS3/GT5 soon). Because of that we had to up it to 60FPS and Sony want the 1080p, again to show off the new Bravia TVs.

Go Karts were planned from the start for a bit of fun, I quite like them personally. They may have more use later on, just wait.

8 months after prolouge we would have had a finished game (at a much higher quality than the current release) but Sony gave their demands so we had to agree, hence almost 3 years of working our asses of to try and get what they wanted.

If it doesn't it'll be EQ or compression issues, and we'll certainly want to know about it. We check all the community boards daily so if it's posted on there we'll see it. Like I said they're all genuine recordings and no major issues reported so far.

GT3 was the last one really designed for users without a wheel in the high spec races. Wheels have become much more commonplace now, so it made sense to start catering development towards them.
GT5 is so much better with a wheel but only once we get the update out.


Like I said, wait and see what tracks are coming Who knows, there might be quite a nice collection of classics.

It'll be easier when everything is premium and you have the option of buying each car used or new (Lupo will be listed under the VW dealer).
The used car dealership will be getting a makeover with new "Sort By" options (Manufacturer/Price/Age/BHP etc). It'll still update just as often though, so it'll be no easier to get a second hand Lupo, but you'll be able to buy a new one (at a premium of course).

-Kaz likes the Skyline. He's not going to budge on that. Ever. His choice.

We can't say because they'll get flooded with comments of people wanting to contact us.
Lets just say if it's well known, we check it.
I can say we check the GT5 forum on the PS3 boards, but not and 3rd party ones (if it's a big community, we watch it).

t was debated, but Kaz sees GT5 as his own baby, he wants to nurture it for a long time, so waiting out until GT6 would mean several years of waiting. Sony wanted 1080p NOW for the new Bravia series, so we had to give in.
GT6 isn't even being worked on just now, we're probably looking at future gen consoles for it.

[The Red Baron]

Those sound like extremely lofty promises to all be resolved by DLC...but I hope they're true.

[wolfsburgraz]

I'm suspicious. It's unlike the Japanese to admit fault and that post if rife with it. The "we expected the scores to be lower" part is especially unlikely.

[nicoli]

Those sound like extremely lofty promises to all be resolved by DLC...but I hope they're true.

I'm suspicious. It's unlike the Japanese to admit fault and that post if rife with it. The "we expected the scores to be lower" part is especially unlikely.

I was kind of thinking the same thing...but I'm trying to remain optimistic! I thought it was interesting though.

[jaysvw]

Those sound like extremely lofty promises to all be resolved by DLC...but I hope they're true.

Reeks like 100% pure BS. Plus GTplanet has said nothing on it and if it were legit, GTplanet would probably be among the first to know.

[PSU]

Add me on PSN.

Username is DxHatchback

[nicoli]

Reeks like 100% pure BS. Plus GTplanet has said nothing on it and if it were legit, GTplanet would probably be among the first to know.

Yeah GTplanet was the first place I checked. And, I still can't find the original source of the quote. I just figured it needed to be posted here. I was hoping someone else might have read it in another forum. That is quite a bit of Sony bashing for someone who works for PD.

[CoolJetta3]

That post up there sounds pretty lofty. I agree gtplanet would have been all over this before anyone so the validity is in question. It does make sense that Sony would have been pushing for certain technologies to be present in the game in order to showcase various products in their catalog. But, how many years just to incorporate 1080, 60fps and 3D? I know they have some smart MF's over there that could have figured that out. It makes it sound like the whole group there was working as a whole on one single aspect of the game at a time before they moved to something else instead of someone or group doing one thing someone else working on another and they just ran out of time.

I also agree about the Japanese not admitting fault, their party line would be the finished product you see is how we always wanted it to be, which is bull****. You KNOW they really wanted EVERY car to look the absolute best it could. You KNOW they wanted ALL their tracks in the game, etc. so again, being cut short by Sony for a holiday release makes sense. The post reads like it was written by a European by some of the spelling ie: "favourite." I don't know, maybe they do want to admit that this is not how they wanted it to be.

The list of resolutions sounds like the ultimate too good to be true list, but if it's true, damn.

Also the link to the original doesn't work.

[_a2coupe2a_]

Why wouldnt they do everything they said?

New tracks = $$ from us
New cars = $$ from us
Upgraded car optopns = $$ money from us

The move to release a crapton of dlc would not surprise me at all.. **** look what madden gets away with. Plus they KNOW we would all pay for it.

[Paint_By_Numbers]

Add me on PSN.

Username is DxHatchback

I will surely do so.

[DannyLo]

i find the "premium cars are allsound recordings" to be bull****. I have a 70 challenger hemi and it sounds something like a grand national v6 crossed with a rotary; and all synthesized..

Effing GRID had better engine sounds most of the time than what i'm hearing in this game. OH and not to mention the fact that when you upgrade to a fully adjustable transmission ALL you hear is the noise of a ****ing annoying transmission whine over the engine the whole time unless you're in the camera flying behind the car.

It's like: Yeah, we get it..race trannies are loud and cool, but not even being able to hear the engine over it with in car camera? Overkill.

[.:RDriver]

OH and not to mention the fact that when you upgrade to a fully adjustable transmission ALL you hear is the noise of a ****ing annoying transmission whine over the engine the whole time unless you're in the camera flying behind the car.

It's like: Yeah, we get it..race trannies are loud and cool, but not even being able to hear the engine over it with in car camera? Overkill.

But that is actually very realistic.

BTW, anyone know of or have a list of the cars that can be race modified? I'd like to know before buying a car if I can do this if I'm looking to do it.

[quinntendopower1]

i'd like a fix for the tearing or a fix for the "what is wrong with my rubber neck syndrome" in 1st person dash cam.

[A.Wilder]

Those sound like extremely lofty promises to all be resolved by DLC...but I hope they're true.

in their, and sony's, defense the PS3 sucked when it first came out and has gotten much much better as new updates came out. I just think its BS they charged $60 for a game that clearly isn't finished. I don't want to pay premium prices for cut-rate games that i am basically testing.

I'm glad they plan on fixing the menus i think i spend 40% of the time racing, 60% flipping through menus and pressing OK for every damn pop-up. i get it, i win cars, paint colors, etc. remind me the first time i do it, then give me the option to turn off reminders.

[A.Wilder]

It makes it sound like the whole group there was working as a whole on one single aspect of the game at a time before they moved to something else instead of someone or group doing one thing someone else working on another and they just ran out of time.

What pisses me off about the game is that it does not look like a 6-year developed game. It looks like a 18 month-to-2 years maximum development time. If Kids in college can render lifelike vehicles that look just as good as PD's in one semester, from scratch, i find it hard to believe a team of professionals could only do a few hundred in 6 years! The tracks look pretty terrible i don't know if i believe much, if any, time was spent making this look better than GT4. Sure, they may have changed the graffiti but i don't give a crap about it!

[Chapel]

[CoolJetta3]

BTW, I tried the Gold medal glitch on License test B-5 and it didn't work. Tried about 6-7 times, maybe they fixed that in an update?

The licenses still frustrate, if I don't get gold in at least 7-10 tries then **** it, silver or bronze its going to be. Funny thing is I just CAN NOT get gold in the very first test (A-1) to save my life, I even tried it some more last night a bunch of times, but the second test I got first try. Stuff like that annoys me, sometimes its like where the hell can I find the extra 800th of a second

[A.Wilder]

BTW, I tried the Gold medal glitch on License test B-5 and it didn't work. Tried about 6-7 times, maybe they fixed that in an update?

The licenses still frustrate, if I don't get gold in at least 7-10 tries then **** it, silver or bronze its going to be. Funny thing is I just CAN NOT get gold in the very first test (A-1) to save my life, I even tried it some more last night a bunch of times, but the second test I got first try. Stuff like that annoys me, sometimes its like where the hell can I find the extra 800th of a second

test 1 you can slide in sideways with the ebrake and stop just inside the checkers. try it a few times to get it right. but that is how you get golds on the braking challenges iirc.

[A.Wilder]

http://jalopnik.com/5703142/caterham...e-in-real-life

Cool stunt, Caterham drives their 7 around tokyo road course in real life!

[CoolJetta3]

HAHA, it seems like sometimes the AI on GT5 does avoid contact then other times its ridiculous robot on rails. A couple times in the TG Lotus race an AI car got somehow stuck to my car and just continually rammed me (with the THUMP THUMP THUMP sound the whole way) until I was completely off course. I freed myself once (just after the Hammerhead) and got back to the race, when I looked back the AI car was turning around and driving straight back the way it came to get back on the track

[CoolJetta3]

Also forgot to mention, I popped a serious wheelie in the Lotus race just by hitting a cone I've seen the AI cars do it as well. First time it happened I was like "what the hell?!" I was in the in car cam so all I see is sky for a few seconds.

And has anyone seen the ****ed up sideways cone in the Hammerhead? A little glitch where the traffic cone is tilted balancing on its edge

[jaysvw]

GT5 AI is terrible, but that video is misleading. Notice how on the GT5 side they parked the car directly in the racing line (the dufus left the racing line on) and on the Forza side the car is parked off to the side of the racing line. The cars are entering a corner, giving the impression "OMG they are getting out of the way!!11!!!!1!! ".

[CoolJetta3]

test 1 you can slide in sideways with the ebrake and stop just inside the checkers. try it a few times to get it right. but that is how you get golds on the braking challenges iirc.

I need to go in settings and figure out what button the ebrake is on the G27, or maybe program it to something on the wheel if I can.

[nicoli]

Why wouldnt they do everything they said?

New tracks = $$ from us
New cars = $$ from us
Upgraded car optopns = $$ money from us

The move to release a crapton of dlc would not surprise me at all.. **** look what madden gets away with. Plus they KNOW we would all pay for it.

I'd pay for more cars and tracks...definitely more premium cars
If that quote isn't BS, I'd hope that DLCs like upgrading standard cars to premium (or at the very least touching them up) and some of the other things mentioned-smarter AI, fixing shadows, updating the menu screens to be more user friendly, adding better visuals to tracks, etc., would be free. I think PD owes it to us honestly, because most of that would just be bringing things up to PS3 quality. I'd be ok with being charged for the addition of DLC packs of cars, like say a "classic Ferrari", "super car" or "VW Vortex" pack (hint hint ). Also, I think it would also be fine if they charged for extra tracks. Again, this is assuming they fix, or tweak some of the visuals in the existing tracks, because some really do seem like PS2 in HD, which really is a shame.

Oh, the link posted with the mystery quote is obviously to some Mazda forums. I found the thread in the gaming section of those forums, and everybody there is scratching their heads too. One guy said it "sounds like some fanboy's wet dream". I though that was funny, but I'd think the prospect GT5 going from pretty good to flat out amazing, would be a wet dream of any fan of driving/racing games, not just GT fanboys.

I'm still enjoying the game, but it really could be so much better.

[napkinn]

Found the link:

http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.p...=32193&st=1179

I'm searching for the original, says evo-web...there's an evo-web.co.uk forum I'm searching right now.

[nicoli]

Found the link:

http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.p...=32193&st=1179

I'm searching for the original, says evo-web...there's an evo-web.co.uk forum I'm searching right now.

Awesome! Thanks. I'm at work now, many site are blocked...especially if they are gaming related.

Fixed the link in my original post.

[Chapel]

GT5 AI is terrible, but that video is misleading. Notice how on the GT5 side they parked the car directly in the racing line (the dufus left the racing line on) and on the Forza side the car is parked off to the side of the racing line. The cars are entering a corner, giving the impression "OMG they are getting out of the way!!11!!!!1!! ".

... that's the line you take coming out of that corner that he's in. He should have turned the racing line on

also, I feel like the AI in Forza does occasionally do stupid things... like any human

[napkinn]

Found it...no original source...

http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/show...postcount=1587

It's on a UK forum, so that explains the use of the u in certain words. Does PD have European employees?

I had to register for that site to be able to search, but I don't know if you have to register to read the thread. Someone should post ye or nay.

[napkinn]

Awesome! Thanks. I'm at work now, many site are blocked...especially if they are gaming related.

Same here, 'tis not gaming sites though.

[nicoli]

Same here, 'tis not gaming sites though.

Yeah, I know, but I was assuming that trying to find the original source might lead me to a gaming site. You guys are probably better at detective work anyway.

edit: the source site is blocked, and our office nanny says it's gaming. Bummer.