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      05-04-2010 02:30 PM #26
      First, sorry for the delay in responding... I've been busy forcing my religion on other by building houses for poor people and stuff... shame on me!
      Second, thanks Abawp for your take on religion. It hits the issue spot on and highlights the absurdity of banning religion. Dutch, I hope for your sake you understand that your progressive-secular-humanism is as much a religion as my Christianity.
      Now to some of your questions...
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      And yes, getting JIMP into this thread was the main reason for me starting it.
      I'm glad you care.
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      I really don't get you. What do you get EXTRA out of your faith by proclaiming it in every single post you make?
      Yes
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      If you found your lord i'm very happy for you. Just don't tell me about it 24/7 unless the discussion leads that way. (so yes, this discussion is about exactly that)
      But it's ok for you to push your views?
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      Faith to me is something really personal. If you follow a certain believe i understand that influences your decisionmaking. But why does it also have to influence the decisionmaking of others?
      If one did not believe their view was superior why hold that view?
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      I don't need your blessings.
      It's not me who blesses... but I wasn't aware you were a masochist. I'll keep this in mind when I pray for you.
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      I think alot of people you respond to don't need them.
      And there are a lot of people that do. I've received many IM's over the years thanking me and asking me to pray for specific issues. I've even received requests from people that claim they are atheists but are hurting and need something... I'll certainly pray for the persons salvation but I'm more than happy to pray that people just have something positive happen to them. God answers all prayers and I'm blessed to see Him work in all people's lives... even if they don't appreciate it.
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      If you respond to some atheist post with "I will pray for you" you KNOW the OP won't appreciate it. Do you do it just to spite them?? and if so, wouldn't that go against your believes in the first place?
      I don't pray to spite. I don't always like the person I pray for but I truly want them blessed.
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      If you actually pray for those disbelievers at night, for god to save them, you have every right to do so.
      But the moment you tell me you're praying for me i get angry. Is that what you want to achieve? Is that what the all forgiving god is telling you to tell me?
      Your anger is on you and is reflective of the issues you have. If you get angry when a person hopes you have a nice day than you should take some time and think about what's wrong with you that makes you feel that way.
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      To me personally, i really don't care what you believe in, or what you do in private, But the moment you're telling me you're praying for me is the same as me telling you that i hope you burn in hell.
      You might feel that way, you can even actually do it, and aslong as i don't know about it i would never tell you not to it...
      Fortunately your distorted view of what I'm saying does not impact the fact that I hope and pray that God blesses you with good things. I don't want you to burn in Hell, I want you to love God and enjoy Him forever. Wanting me to burn in Hell is negative and is, again, reflective of some issues you seem to have. Perhaps you should evaluate the base of these apparent emotional issues.
      It is my ernest hope and prayer that you have a blessed day,
      JIMP

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      05-04-2010 05:07 PM #27
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      Yes

      that's not an answer to that question
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      But it's ok for you to push your views?

      do i push my views in every topic i enter?
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      If one did not believe their view was superior why hold that view?

      Again, not an answer to my question... i understand you believe your faith is superior, the question is, why try to push it on others?
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      It's not me who blesses... but I wasn't aware you were a masochist. I'll keep this in mind when I pray for you.

      please don't, as spiting me wasn't your objective
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      And there are a lot of people that do. I've received many IM's over the years thanking me and asking me to pray for specific issues. I've even received requests from people that claim they are atheists but are hurting and need something... I'll certainly pray for the persons salvation but I'm more than happy to pray that people just have something positive happen to them. God answers all prayers and I'm blessed to see Him work in all people's lives... even if they don't appreciate it.

      please reserve your prayers for the appreciating people then.
      god must be really busy helping people that don't need help
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      I don't pray to spite. I don't always like the person I pray for but I truly want them blessed.

      so praying for people that don't appreciate it is not spiting them?
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      Your anger is on you and is reflective of the issues you have. If you get angry when a person hopes you have a nice day than you should take some time and think about what's wrong with you that makes you feel that way.

      I have never in my life gotten angry wih a person that wished me a good day. a person however that claims that god or TFSM will influence me during that day after his prayers is not being taken serious by me.
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      Fortunately your distorted view of what I'm saying does not impact the fact that I hope and pray that God blesses you with good things. I don't want you to burn in Hell, I want you to love God and enjoy Him forever. Wanting me to burn in Hell is negative and is, again, reflective of some issues you seem to have. Perhaps you should evaluate the base of these apparent emotional issues.

      I will call my shrink... maybe it's underlying issues from a priest touching me in the no no area..
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      It is my ernest hope and prayer that you have a blessed day,
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      enjoy your day would have been earnest and much appreciated..
      have a good day.


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      05-07-2010 11:01 PM #28
      Dutch, I hope for your sake you understand that your progressive-secular-humanism is as much a religion as my Christianity.
      hopefully no one understands that because it's plain wrong.
      i guess no real surprise that those who 'promote' religion so vigorously are the same ones unable to grasp even a fundamental definition.

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      05-08-2010 09:00 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHMANia
      i understand you believe your faith is superior, the question is, why try to push it on others?
      Why not? If you knew of a way to save people from certain destruction wouldn't you want to help them?

      Beyond that, you'll need to be more specific in what "pushing" you object to.

      Pete, perhaps you could explain what the material differences are...

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      did atheism thread died?

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      05-19-2010 02:13 PM #32
      I'm sorry to say this Dutch, but the only thing this thread proves is that you are an intolerant bigot You should allow it to slip off the first page.

      When you're ready to man up and have a conversation please let me know.

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      05-20-2010 02:22 AM #33
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      08-18-2010 06:04 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      Why not? If you knew of a way to save people from certain destruction wouldn't you want to help them?
      What destruction are you speaking of?

      If you are talking about eternal damnation, its all part of YOUR fantasy and not the real world. So you are PUSHING your religion on people

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      08-19-2010 09:47 AM #35
      Why not? If you knew of a way to save people from certain destruction wouldn't you want to help them?
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      What destruction are you speaking of?

      If you are talking about eternal damnation, its all part of YOUR fantasy and not the real world. So you are PUSHING your religion on people
      Delusional or not, I, and billions of people that have lived and died, believe in Heaven and Hell. We believe in God, we believe in salvation, we believe that God wants us to tell people about the salvation only He can offer... in light of this, it may be somewhat reasonable to claim that we are all delusional but it is unreasonable to ask us not to tell anyone about it.

      Besides, last time I checked you were still free to believe what you wanted to... so I'm not sure what "pushing" you're whining about. Perhaps you can write a nasty letter to kotex for "pushing" their tampon adds on you as well. I pray you are healed of whatever angst possesses you.

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      08-21-2010 01:36 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      we are all delusional
      Yes you are delusional
      Glad you understand.
      I am just tired of all the religious nuts spouting lies everyday thinking they are doing something good.
      Enjoy spending the rest of eternity rotting underground like everyone elso

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      08-22-2010 08:56 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by IHateSpeedBumps View Post
      I am just tired of all the religious nuts spouting lies everyday thinking they are doing something good.
      Yes, those terrible Christians doing terrible things like helping those in need and telling people why they are doing those giving acts. They should be ashamed for being the most charitable people the world has ever known. Ban them... or better yet, burn them!

      I hope for your sake that you are actually doing good out there. If you're just another whining internet atheist that would be very sad.

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      08-22-2010 02:41 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      They should be ashamed for being the most charitable people the world has ever known.
      I do not know what christians you know, but most of them i see are not charitable or nice. They are some of the most stuck up self centered people i know.
      It could be a south thing.

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      08-23-2010 07:51 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by IHateSpeedBumps View Post
      I do not know what christians you know, but most of them i see are not charitable or nice. They are some of the most stuck up self centered people i know.
      It could be a south thing.
      You should get out more, or at least do some research. I'll say it again, Christians are by far the most charitable givers of time, money and resources that the world has ever known.

      If I limited my view of atheists to what I saw on the internets I wouldn't have a very high view of them. Thankfully, I know a few atheists in real life that aren't the mean spirited angsty losers that are too often found on internet sites like this.

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      08-24-2010 03:19 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      You should get out more, or at least do some research. I'll say it again, Christians are by far the most charitable givers of time, money and resources that the world has ever known.

      If I limited my view of atheists to what I saw on the internets I wouldn't have a very high view of them. Thankfully, I know a few atheists in real life that aren't the mean spirited angsty losers that are too often found on internet sites like this.

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      With blanket statements like that there will always be examples to support and examples to disprove your assertions. I wasn't going to comment on that until I saw a special on what's going on in Uganda right now. (Vanguard on Current TV) Apparently homosexuals have never really been liked over there but were allowed to just live their lives for the most part. Recently though American Evangelists have been taking trips to preach against homosexuality in Uganda. They're preaching that the gays are on a mission to destroy the heterosexuals, and holding conferences to warn about and how to combat the "gay agenda." They invited members of the Ugandan parliament to their conferences and sermons and the result is a law on the books that makes being homosexual illegal. The consequences of being a homosexual in Uganda is either life in prison if the state goes easy on you or public execution. When non Christians think of the work that Christians are doing these are the examples that all too often come to mind. I felt sick hearing the hatred and hypocrisy that these supposed Christ followers were spewing. Even though I know that not all, or even most Christians hold those viewpoints their voices seem to be the loudest and there's no shortage of these examples of hatred being spread by people who claim to follow Christ.

      My mom is one of those giving, charitable, and loving Christians that you talk about but through her I've seen another breed of "Christian." She works for a company called Life Promotions, every year they put on a big Christian music festival with guest speakers and stuff like that. This last year was a huge problem because one of their scheduled guest speakers was Jim Wallis. Jim Wallis' message is that we as humans need to come together to help those in need. It's a pretty familiar message considering it's one of the main things Jesus preached about but this whole other breed of "Christian" came out of the woodwork. People started calling in and sending emails to my mom accusing them of having a demonic communist scheduled to speak, she received a call from a guy who seriously said "I hope god sees the evil you are planning on having at Lifest and goes all Katrina on your organization. I hope there are casualties, and wounded, and broken equipment; I hope the entire festival comes down on you sinners!" These ignorant, angry, hateful people seriously believed they were doing gods work by trying to get Jim Wallis not to come and speak about giving, and caring for your fellow man.

      I'm not arguing that there are good Christians out there, it's just that the ones that get heard the most are generally the worst examples.

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      08-30-2010 02:45 AM #41
      Oh JIMP, you must live in a nice little bubble. All of the "christians" I know are some of the cheapest, most racist, close minded, elitist, obnoxious, homophobic (ironic isn't it) and hypocritical people I have ever met.

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      08-30-2010 10:29 AM #42
      You won't catch me denying the fact that there are people who call themselves Christians and still do terrible things. This is part of the human condition and is a cornerstone of the faith... that we are broken sinful people and need something to rectify our relationship with a perfect sinless creator. It's the whole point of Jesus. It's also something Jesus spoke quite a bit about... the cultural believers that call themselves people of the faith but act like turds.

      The fact still remains that Christians are the most charitable people the world has ever known. While there are internet atheists whining about how mommy forced them to go to church when they were young or how a guy with a fish sticker totally cut him off, there are Christians giving their lives to help those in need. I implore all of you, myself included, to get out and donate time and resources to those in need locally and around the world... just don't be surprised if you run into more than a few Christians out there.

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      08-30-2010 10:05 PM #43
      I think you are full of ****.

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      08-31-2010 10:12 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      I think you are full of ****.
      Was there something I said that was difficult for you to understand or are you just too bitter to have a reasonable conversation on the topic? Either way, I pray for you to be blessed with both wisdom and peace... something we can all use. If you ever want to talk about your angst feel free to drop me a line.

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      08-31-2010 04:09 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      Was there something I said that was difficult for you to understand or are you just too bitter to have a reasonable conversation on the topic? Either way, I pray for you to be blessed with both wisdom and peace... something we can all use. If you ever want to talk about your angst feel free to drop me a line.

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      You can keep your "teachings" to yourself. One can be perfectly at peace with himself and his surroundings without religion and lies. Please don't pray for me, I don't need your blessings.

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      09-03-2010 06:28 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by petesell View Post
      i guess no real surprise that those who 'promote' religion so vigorously are the same ones unable to grasp even a fundamental definition.
      Well they do tend to be the less educated "educated" people.

      And JIMP would you pray for a Muslim because of their choice in religion? How about a Buddhist? Or someone that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or are you only concerned for praying for us Atheists?

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      09-04-2010 12:51 PM #47
      Less educated huh? So, smarty, what's your education? Are you as educated as the Christian doctors recently killed in Afghanistan for their faith? Fear not, I won't hold your lack of education against you or your atheism. Education is important but it's a simple statistic that most people are not educated.

      Everyone needs prayer, myself included. I pray today you are blessed with the grace to forgive yourself.

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      09-05-2010 02:04 PM #48
      Hey JIMP, I'm not gonna lie when I first started posting in the ask an atheist thread I still held a lot of anger towards Christians and I know that came through in my posts. Since then I've managed to let a lot of that go. I'm still angered at / scared of the things religious fundamentalists say and do but I wanted to thank you for at least seeming to be one of the good examples of Christians. You catch a lot of flak in these threads but instead of getting angry and preaching at us or being a bible-basher you post things like you hope that we can resolve our issues and let the anger go. We may not agree on spirituality but if more Christians were examples of the love and acceptance they pretend to preach then the world might be a better place. So thanks man, just wanted to let you know that you've got my respect.

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      09-06-2010 12:20 AM #49
      I'm sorry I missed most of this. and jimp the fact that you have jimp as your screen name on an automotive site puts you up there with jam's mom on detroit rock city, or carries' mom. what you have and are attempting to "bless" everyone with is a classic bull$hit blanket post with all your humble jesus load of $hit. what modern science calls what you have when you pray or hear gods will:

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      the C.B.N. is the most corrupt, dillusional, homo-fearing bunch of psyco's ever to be allowed in one place. bill maher and his doc. asked the question- if and its a big if, god does exist and is all powerful, why would'nt he just vanquish evil and end it? jesus freak says "he will" bill ask whats he waiting for?---silence....crickets.... I think if we could re-write history it would be a much cleaner story with out religion
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      09-06-2010 10:27 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      Christian doctors recently killed in Afghanistan for their faith
      And how many people have been killed for their faith by your people? Some people would just call that payback
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