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    Thread: 2011 Kia Optima Hybrid, Hyundai Sonata Hybrid priced from $25,195, $27,195 respectively?

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      05-02-2010 08:49 AM #1
      I was just doing some browsing on Edmunds site looking for pricing information on the Kia Optima when I saw they had pricing up for the hybrid versions of the Optima and Sonata. I don't know if this has been stated before (or if it's even accurate), but seems like pretty competitive pricing:

      Kia Optima Hybrid $25,195
      http://www.edmunds.com/kia/opt....html

      Hyundai Sonata Hybrid $27,195
      http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai....html

      209 hp
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      No pics of the Kia Optima Hybrid yet, so here's the SX model


      And of course, the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid



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    2. 05-02-2010 09:10 AM #2
      The Optima looks like a beauty. The sonata looks like a turd.
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      05-02-2010 09:15 AM #3
      To be fair, that is the regular Optima vs. the Sonata hybrid. But yeah that Sonata front end has a lot going on, I could do without the unibrow and that giant mouth...

      Looking forward to seeing pics of the Optima hybrid, thanks for the pricing info!


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      05-02-2010 11:00 AM #4
      I'm just wondering how Edmunds was able to get the pricing info so early.
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      05-02-2010 11:02 AM #5
      Quote, originally posted by Saintor »
      The Optima looks like a beauty. The sonata looks like a turd.


      This. The Optima is hot.

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      05-02-2010 11:04 AM #6
      Holy sweet jesus that Sonata is ugly.
      Now go get your shinebox

    7. 05-02-2010 11:30 AM #7
      Optima >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonata.

      I think Edmunds is just guesstimating the price. I doubt anything has been reported yet.


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      05-02-2010 11:35 AM #8
      Considering we have no clue how the Optima Hybrid will look I think it's too soon to talk about styling...but I guess that's never stopped TCL before. If it's anything like the Sonata, it will have unique bumpers, head/tail lights, and grille.

      The Sonata Hybrid looks a bit better in the 'real world' shots IMO: http://forums.thecarlounge.com...70844

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      05-02-2010 11:35 AM #9
      But does the Optima Hybrid also have a fishy nose?

      The Sonata Hybrid fascia looks like something wacky from the Chinese.

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      05-02-2010 11:58 AM #10
      Quote, originally posted by Saintor »
      The Optima looks like a beauty. The sonata looks like a turd.

      The Optima's interior looks better too IMHO:


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      05-02-2010 12:23 PM #11

      That Optima interior is Looks very Saab like, not a bad thing.

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      05-02-2010 12:44 PM #12
      I love the Optima interior. Sooooooo many buttons. Do love!
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      05-02-2010 12:52 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Wilhelm R32 »
      I love the Optima interior. Sooooooo many buttons. Do love!

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      That Optima interior is Looks very Saab like, not a bad thing.





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      05-02-2010 01:03 PM #14
      The Sonata looks really good inside and out (yes even the hybrid, aside from that Mazda mouth), but the Optima looks even better. The interior looks like something out of an early-2000s Euro luxury sedan, but it also somehow looks contemporary. From the outside it looks very European as well... Italian, or French maybe. Mind-blowing for the price. Looks better than anything in the 3 Series/A4/G class in my opinion.

    15. 05-02-2010 01:49 PM #15
      The optima dash remins me a little of the Audi R8s dash never a bad thing

    16. 05-02-2010 02:04 PM #16
      That sonata looks like ass, but I love the Optima

    17. 05-02-2010 02:15 PM #17
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      05-02-2010 05:10 PM #18
      I wonder what the lower trim level interiors will look like, and if the hybrid's interior will look close to what is shown in those pictures (I know the gauge cluster would look different for sure).

      Under $26,000 for the hybrid with interior like what is shown (minus the navigation of course) in those pictures would be a great deal, in my opinion.

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      05-02-2010 05:13 PM #19
      Does the Optima have adjustable pedals?

    20. 05-02-2010 05:21 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by JMBII »
      Does the Optima have adjustable pedals?

      Doubt it. Judging from the picture the accelerator is an accordion type with the leverage point on the bottom. Its different from the ones that hangs off of the dashboard.


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      05-02-2010 05:39 PM #21
      just some math for you:

      Hyundai Sonata GLS Manual (the most fuel efficent non-Hybrid version)
      198 HP
      cost: $19,195
      fuel economy: 24/35 (and as high as 40mpg highway during tests)

      Hyundai Sonata Hybrid:
      209 HP
      cost: $27,195
      fuel economy: 37/39

      calculation time:
      http://www.money-zine.com/Calc...lator/

      assuming 8 years of ownership with mostly highway driving and not including government incentives:

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      Calculator Results:
      Excess Cost of Hybrid Vehicle ($) $8000.00
      Annual Fuel Savings ($ / Year) $133.27
      Difference in Car Value ($) $1,974.75
      Differential Cost of Hybrid Engine ($) $4,959.05


      best case scenario involves city driving, owning car for 8 years, and $3,000 in government incentives to own the Hybrid:

      Differential Cost of Hybrid Engine ($) $-2,301.24

      the bottom line is that the fuel economy of the normal Hyundai Sonata isn't worth spending the additional money on the Hybrid. the only situation in which you win is if you get government incentives and you do ALL of your driving around a city.

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    22. 05-02-2010 05:47 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »

      the bottom line is that the fuel economy of the normal Hyundai Sonata isn't worth spending the additional money on the Hybrid. the only situation in which you win is if you get government incentives and you do ALL of your driving around a city.

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      Which goes back to the notion that it's stupid to buy a hybrid for gas mileage. You buy it for environmental reasons only.


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      05-02-2010 05:49 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by surefooted »

      Which goes back to the notion that it's stupid to buy a hybrid for gas mileage. You buy it for environmental reasons only.

      you could say that. the point i was more trying to make was that Hyundai makes great cars that already get excellent fuel economy. for you to save a few bucks a month isn't worth it considering the premium cost of the Hybrid. the base model Hyundai is truly the better deal if you want to save gas AND money.

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      05-02-2010 06:12 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »
      just some math for you:

      Hyundai Sonata GLS Manual (the most fuel efficent non-Hybrid version)
      198 HP
      cost: $19,195
      fuel economy: 24/35 (and as high as 40mpg highway during tests)

      Hyundai Sonata Hybrid:
      209 HP
      cost: $27,195
      fuel economy: 37/39

      calculation time:
      http://www.money-zine.com/Calc...lator/

      assuming 8 years of ownership with mostly highway driving and not including government incentives:


      best case scenario involves city driving, owning car for 8 years, and $3,000 in government incentives to own the Hybrid:

      Differential Cost of Hybrid Engine ($) $-2,301.24

      the bottom line is that the fuel economy of the normal Hyundai Sonata isn't worth spending the additional money on the Hybrid. the only situation in which you win is if you get government incentives and you do ALL of your driving around a city.

      obin

      Normally, I'd say:

      But considering that even the turbo gets 34 mpg highway, I'd much rather have the turbo than the hybrid

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      05-02-2010 06:15 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by Mazda 3s »

      But considering that even the turbo gets 34 mpg highway, I'd much rather have the turbo than the hybrid

      same here.

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      05-02-2010 06:16 PM #26
      I'm struggling to think of a car in this class that has a better overall aesthetic package than the Optima. Stunning inside and out. I've always said it would be Mazda 6 or Ford Fusion for me out of the choices in this class, but if the Optima drives well, it would probably be my pick.
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    27. 05-02-2010 07:25 PM #27
      to be fair, Optima Hybrid won't look like that. I'm sure it will have a different front treatment.

      Optima - sporty look
      Sonata - premium look


      People double take like crazy whenever they see Sonatas. both look great IMO.


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      05-02-2010 08:54 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by ElixXxeR »
      I'm struggling to think of a car in this class that has a better overall aesthetic package than the Optima. Stunning inside and out. I've always said it would be Mazda 6 or Ford Fusion for me out of the choices in this class, but if the Optima drives well, it would probably be my pick.

      Yeah, I'm seriously thinking about the Optima myself, which is why I was looking at it on Edmunds in the first place, and is why I posted a thread yesterday asking if a midsize sedan would be suitable for a family of three

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