P90X

[Matt D.]

i have other priorities then debating with you again about your shortcomings with opinion based speculation.

leaky has more free time then me and laid it out pretty thoroughly for you.

do you happen to live in the northeast? id love to have this debate with you in person and see how far your p90x gets you if you call me a lady to my face.

You have over 18,000 posts. You don't have time now? How convenient. I love how you guys turn mild discussions into drama.

Why yes, I do. What do you have in mind? And I don't use P90X and but can guarantee I can hold my own.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Oh, because 3 months of focused exercise can't yields results. GTFOOH!!!



Moot



Moot



Yes, please do because the above is simply horse**** whining.



Clearly you didn't because you can't even spell the word 'Phoenix'.

lmao..moot? Those are all gimmicks. The marketing of it being a 3 month program is a gimmick...the exercises are not what I'm calling a gimmick. I don't even know how where you're getting 'horse**** whining' from...those were just statements/facts. Idk buddy, how about proving me wrong? Explain why there are not gimmicks...here I was expecting to get a Marketing 101 lesson. Such a tease.

I guess when all else fails, attack spelling

[Matt D.]

lmao..moot? Those are all gimmicks. The marketing of it being a 3 month program is a gimmick...the exercises are not what I'm calling a gimmick. I don't even know how where you're getting 'horse**** whining' from...those were just statements/facts. Idk buddy, how about proving me wrong? Explain why there are not gimmicks...here I was expecting to get a Marketing 101 lesson. Such a tease.

I guess when all else fails, attack spelling

If you can see through the "gimmicks" certainly the value is in the exercises program and that's all that really matters. A 3 month training program can yield results. So, your whining makes no sense. You can't buy a can of soda, for example, without the manufacturer telling you one sip is gonna change your life. So, what the hell are you whining about? Marketing?

I guess when you can't makes sense of your own original point, make an unfunny joke about some online university.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

If you can see through the "gimmicks" certainly the value is in the exercises program and that's all that really matters. A 3 month training program can yield results. So, your whining makes no sense. You can't buy a can of soda, for example, without the manufacturer telling you one sip is gonna change your life. So, what the hell are you whining about? Marketing?

I guess when you can't makes sens of your own original point, make an unfunny joke about some online university.

Wow, you are really obtuse. I can invent the JumpingJack2000 sell it for 20 bucks and all you do is do 2000 jumping jacks everyday for 3 weeks. There's value in there because that's a legit exercise but how much value for the price you pay? How much of it is hype?

When someone pays 100+ for a exercise program that anyone can construct, what are you really paying for? The gimmicks and the perceived value from those gimmicks.

Still don't understand your whining comments....but I guess you are trying to be passive agressive??? Either way, it's unimportant to me.

p90x is a fad that uses gimmicks (in combination w/ circuit training) and has been hyped up to demand a premium.

The simple point that has been made time and time again, is that it's a waste of money; which it is.

I guess I struck a nerve w/ the Phoenix online statement lol....P.S. It's "sense" not "sens".

[CTAC2003]

i am not sure why people dislike p90x so much.
no where do they claim to make you an elite athlete or stronger or faster. its all about getting ripped and main page comments show just that.
it doesnt work....if a person follows the program and the diet provided they will get the results they want. its expensive....its available for free in plenty of places on line.
people dont follow through on it.....plenty of new year resolutioners dont make it past march.
its a gimmick....program isnt, marketing is.

[Matt D.]

Wow, you are really obtuse. I can invent the JumpingJack2000 sell it for 20 bucks and all you do is do 2000 jumping jacks everyday for 3 weeks. There's value in there because that's a legit exercise but how much value for the price you pay? How much of it is hype?

It isn't up to you to determine which programs are of value to the populace. P90X isn't telling you to take a pill and watch Friends. It clearly has a large element of sweat-equity that must be applied to yield benefits. How is that wrong? How does your whining dismiss the population who have seen results and use it regularly? Again, you don't have a warranted reason to dismiss this program other than it's offered through an informercial, you don't think the host is attractive enough and you hate the packaging. STOP THE PRESSES!!!

When someone pays 100+ for a exercise program that anyone can construct, what are you really paying for? The gimmicks and the perceived value from those gimmicks.

When someone pays 100+/month for gimmicky supplements when healthy food choices are readily available, it's no different. Now, that's a gimmick. P90X is not a passive way to fitness. You still have to apply it. P90X meets the needs of people. Deal with it. You have a better idea, market it and be done.

Still don't understand your whining comments....but I guess you are trying to be passive agressive??? Either way, it's unimportant to me.

What you're doing is whining when you mention the packaging in which the program comes in is a "gimmick". Seriously?

p90x is a fad that uses gimmicks (in combination w/ circuit training) and has been hyped up to demand a premium.

Try it for 90 days and lets see how gimmicky it is. Set up a control group or whatever.

The simple point that has been made time and time again, is that it's a waste of money; which it is.

I guess I struck a nerve w/ the Phoenix online statement lol....P.S. It's "sense" not "sens".

You couldn't strike a match with your braincells.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

i am not sure why people dislike p90x so much.
no where do they claim to make you an elite athlete or stronger or faster. its all about getting ripped and main page comments show just that.
it doesnt work....if a person follows the program and the diet provided they will get the results they want. its expensive....its available for free in plenty of places on line.
people dont follow through on it.....plenty of new year resolutioners dont make it past march.
its a gimmick....program isnt, marketing is.

Where can you legally get it for free?

[Matt D.]

Where can you legally get it for free?

Wow! If your buddy purchased it....... Ding! Ding! Ding!

[CTAC2003]

Where can you legally get it for free?

same place i got that wendlers 5/3/1 pdf i sent you:p

[VW1.8Tsunami]

It isn't up to you to determine which programs are of value to the populace. P90X isn't telling you to take a pill and watch Friends. It clearly has a large element of sweat-equity that must be applied to yield benefits. How is that wrong? How does your whining dismiss the population who have seen results and use it regularly? Again, you don't have a warranted reason to dismiss this program other than it's offered through an informercial, you don't think the host is attractive enough and you hate the packaging. STOP THE PRESSES!!!



When someone pays 100+/month for gimmicky supplements when healthy food choices are readily available, it's no different. Now, that's a gimmick. P90X is not a passive way to fitness. You still have to apply it. P90X meets the needs of people. Deal with it. You have a better idea, market it and be done.



What you're doing is whining when you mention the packaging in which the program comes in is a "gimmick". Seriously?




Try it for 90 days and lets see how gimmicky it is. Set up a control group or whatever.




You couldn't strike a match with your braincells.

Never said it was wrong...just saying for the price, you're just buying a bunch of gimmicks. Btw, supps are mostly gimmicks too. Not denying that one. The main reason I'm dismissing it is because it's overpriced/hyped up for what you get.

The packaging of a product is a gimmick; not just for this product. Please, retake your marketing 101 class before you teach lessons.

Why would I want to strike a match w/ my "braincells"? P.S. There's supposed to be a space in there

[Matt D.]

1.8, just leave. You just asked how one would acquire a free copy of P90X. Geez. That alone says a lot about you.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Wow! If your buddy purchased it....... Ding! Ding! Ding!

same place i got that wendlers 5/3/1 pdf i sent you

say what? lol..are you like the russian grey market dealer for workout routines?

[VW1.8Tsunami]

1.8, just leave. You just asked how one would acquire a free copy of P90X. Geez. That alone says a lot about you.

lol, again, taking things out of context...I said "legally"

maybe if I took my college courses online I'd be better at finding such things...but alas

[Matt D.]

lol, again, taking things out of context...I said "legally"

Wow! Three posts and you just got it. What's illegal about a friend purchasing for group training? Or...or a person borrowing it when they have time?

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Wow! Three posts and you just got it. What's illegal about a friend purchasing for group training? Or...or a person borrowing it when they have time?

uh, i dunno..how about the statement at the beginning of the video stating its illegal to distribute w/o authorization?

I have no idea what posts your are counting..but good job.

You're obviously running out of talking points and reaching for anything you can grab...I look foward to the bantar leading up to the lock.

[Matt D.]

uh, i dunno..how about the statement at the beginning of the video stating its illegal to distribute w/o authorization?

I have no idea what posts your are counting..but good job.

Distribute in sense of copying and selling. Like pirating.

I never had talking points with you because you had no talking points to begin with. I'm waiting for a reply from the other two members. You're just doing what you typically do. Nothing.

[CTAC2003]

say what? lol..are you like the russian grey market dealer for workout routines?

may be it wasnt you that i sent it to, my bad. but the internet is a big place with plenty of info available.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Distribute in sense of copying and selling. Like pirating.

I never had talking points with you because you had no talking points to begin with. I'm waiting for a reply from the other two members. You're just doing what you typically do. Nothing.

Even in your example, it's still not free...someone had to pay for it.

My point is simple, but obviously too complex for you. My point was that it's not worth the money because you can easily emmulate the same thing for free. Everything else that you get when you buy p90x, is a gimmick.

Muy facil.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

may be it wasnt you that i sent it to, my bad. but the internet is a big place with plenty of info available.

It was me...I just didn't know where you got it from.

[Matt D.]

Even in your example, it's still not free...someone had to pay for it.


My point is simple, but obviously too complex for you. My point was that it's not worth the money because you can easily emmulate the same thing for free. Everything else that you get when you buy p90x, is a gimmick.

Muy facil.

Please. Make him stop! The buffoonery. If I'm not that "someone" and I obtained it, IT'S FREE. Anymore arguments you can pull out your arse?

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Please. Make him stop! The buffoonery. If I'm not that "someone" and I obtained it, IT'S FREE. Anymore arguments you can pull out your arse?

lol, you have the understanding of a 5 year old when it comes to the meaning of 'free'. Hurry, I think phoenix online is having a special on early enrollment for econ 101.

[Matt D.]

lol, you have the understanding of a 5 year old when it comes to the meaning of 'free'. Hurry, I think phoenix online is having a special on early enrollment for econ 101.

You type before you think in a rush to increase your post count. That's apparent. You make very little sense, starting with your entire "gimmick" crap to you not understanding the parameters of illegal pirating.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

You type before you think in a rush to increase your post count. That's apparent. You make very little sense, starting with your entire "gimmick" crap to you not understanding the parameters of illegal pirating.

You seem to be the only one concerned w/ post count...do people even check that?

You have yet to explain how my examples were not gimmicks...mainly because you can't. I apologize if I don't fully understand illegal pirating/copyright infringement etc. Can you recommend me a good online course?

Techinically, it is illegal to copy/distrubute or share media. It's just unable to be enforced. FWIW, if you are found w/ a copy you must provide proof that you or someone in your household paid for it.

[Matt D.]

You have yet to explain how my examples were not gimmicks...mainly because you can't.

I addressed them several times, but in typical fashion, your duty is to act like i never did. How is packaging a freakin' gimmick? You don't approve of the host's personality? Gimmick? No! Price? It's a free market. You can't afford it? Don't purchase it. There is no gimmick. The only gimmick present is you wasting space in this thread arguing "technicalities and stupid **** like that.

Techinically, it is illegal to copy/distrubute or share media. It's just unable to be enforced. FWIW, if you are found w/ a copy you must provide proof that you or someone in your household paid for it.

You're using the term "share" loosely. I can certainly let a neighbor borrow this program. That's not illegal. No one ever implied duplicating a single copy and redistributing it.

[Egilbe]

You're using the term "share" loosely. I can certainly let a neighbor borrow this program. That's not illegal. No one ever implied duplicating a single copy and redistributing it.

Actually, it is illegal. You cannot, according to the copyright terms, distribute it without permission. lending it to your neighbor is distributing it. It is for the purchasers sole use.

Why hasn't a mod locked this ridiculous thread that's full of Matt D b.s.?

[VW1.8Tsunami]

I addressed them several times, but in typical fashion, your duty is to act like i never did. How is packaging a freakin' gimmick? You don't approve of the host's personality? Gimmick? No! Price? It's a free market. You can't afford it? Don't purchase it. There is no gimmick. The only gimmick present is you wasting space in this thread arguing "technicalities and stupid **** like that.



You're using the term "share" loosely. I can certainly let a neighbor borrow this program. That's not illegal. No one ever implied duplicating a single copy and redistributing it.

You need to look up the definition of 'gimmick'. You obviously have no understanding of the concept. Do you know how the product is packaged? Do you not realize that the character a host portrays is considered a gimmick? As for price, that's why I think it a ripoff. It's not a matter of affording it but more of a matter of what the money buys you...aka value. It's not worth it. It's a workout routine wrapped in gimmicks to demand a premium.

I never complained or commented on the quality of the gimmicks...just stated that they existed. So again, I fail to see how I am whining about a particular gimmick. I'm pretty sure it's just you trying to grasp at any sort of insult because you fail to disprove my point.

[CTAC2003]

Actually, it is illegal. You cannot, according to the copyright terms, distribute it without permission. lending it to your neighbor is distributing it. It is for the purchasers sole use.

how do the libraries get around it than?

copyright deals with your right to make copies, if you lend something without making a copy, you arent doing anything illegal, imo

[leakypipeDCI]

Even when you quote a member, it's still impossible for you to make sense of it. The only person fussing about GSP and P90X is you.

Actually, you and XiaoNio were the ones talking about it, I simply thought it was funny you even insinuated GSP uses P90X.

How am I taking any of this personally? My photos are in the Progress thread. Are yours? But that's besides the point. Your long-winded crap of a reply only serves one purpose, and that is to continue to act like a disruptive asshat like you do so well. Funny how the average person can recognize a quip about squatting 800LBS and you can't.

Because your first post in this thread was inflammatory and have been continuing personal attacks since then. You don't have a single post in the 2010 Progress Thread, and why would you first want to compare photos if it is only the dumb meatheads with entry level jobs who worry about cosmetic appearance? Have you involved yourself in any exercise theory discussion in this forum before this thread, or did you just choose this one to act like a dick in? Funny the regulars are the ones who are said to be negative and yet it is the posters who only post a couple times a year who show up and turn threads like this into pissing matches.

That's to address the folk in H&F who dismiss other methods of training and yet can only offer daily tweets about what weight they "pulled" only to return to their cubicle and cry about how p90X is a waste of time.

With the amount you posted in this thread during business hours today, I am guessing you sit at a computer all day. Surrounded by a cubicle or not it is pretty ridiculous that you make the assertion that anyone that lifts heavy weights in simply incapable of having a good job. Many different types of training are discussed here, it's the bull**** fads that get flamed until they go away and the next fad comes along.

WOW! You have issues. That POST WAS FOR ANOTHER MEMBER.

Almost every post of yours I replied to in that long reply was directed at someone else. I commented on it because it is a tactic I see quite a bit during forum debates when one person is trying to hard to get the upper-hand in a debate they obviously know little about.



And I really wouldn't attack anyone for spelling a word incorrectly given all of the spelling and grammatical errors you have made in this thread. I figured it was childish to point them all out since it didn't add anything to the debate and was a little childish. I guess you feel differently about that.

[leakypipeDCI]

how do the libraries get around it than?

copyright deals with your right to make copies, if you lend something without making a copy, you arent doing anything illegal, imo

Copyright holders/publishers make concessions for libraries since they are considered to be non-profit and educational hubs. It is the responsibility of the lender of the books, movies, etc. that they not break copyright law during their use of the library's collections.

[bdYYZ]

The best part here is all the "fitness professionals" chiming in on how the program is BS and how anyone can do it...

D'Uh...It isn't aimed at people who are spending hours in the gym everyday or at people who run marathons, eat clean, etc.

It is aimed at fat people who are channel surfing as they sit on their couch awaiting the next weight loss revolution that will ultimately end up in a closet next to the Tae Bo tape, ab roller, thigh master and smoothie machine.

Do you really think that the producers and Tony give a crap about whether the work out is technically savvy to satisfy the 10% of the population that want to pick it apart...NOOOO...They want the other 90% to feel inspired enough by the testimonials and groovy music to part with $125.00 of their hard earned cash...

For that...they have succeeded...

[skaterhernandez4]

holy **** this thread sux so bad I didn't even bother to read the third and fourth pages. Matt D. you are why the vortex sux when it does.

:lock:

[Matt D.]

You need to look up the definition of 'gimmick'. You obviously have no understanding of the concept. Do you know how the product is packaged? Do you not realize that the character a host portrays is considered a gimmick? As for price, that's why I think it a ripoff. It's not a matter of affording it but more of a matter of what the money buys you...aka value. It's not worth it. It's a workout routine wrapped in gimmicks to demand a premium.

Don't even attempt to flip your ignorance on me. You are clueless as to what even measures as a gimmick. Does P90X yield the results is says it can do if a person applies his/herself? Certainly. What's the gimmick? Is there a magic pill inside and shinny package with instructions on how to think and wish yourself into shape? NO! You may have issue with the design of the program itself or even the price, but you also have an option to not buy it. You're a gimmick and so his your time-wasting arguments.

I never complained or commented on the quality of the gimmicks...just stated that they existed. So again, I fail to see how I am whining about a particular gimmick. I'm pretty sure it's just you trying to grasp at any sort of insult because you fail to disprove my point.

You're whining and being disruptive. You've went on several tangents speaking about gimmicks, bull**** intellectual property issues, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING that can keep you relevant in this discussion. You're a waste of time.

[Matt D.]

holy **** this thread sux so bad I didn't even bother to read the third and fourth pages. Matt D. you are why the vortex sux when it does.

:lock:

I always love when the lesser members work extremely hard to keep nice with the bigger personalities.

[VW1.8Tsunami]

Don't even attempt to flip your ignorance on me. You are clueless as to what even measures as a gimmick. Does P90X yield the results is says it can do if a person applies his/herself? Certainly. What's the gimmick? Is there a magic pill inside and shinny package with instructions on how to think and wish yourself into shape? NO! You may have issue with the design of the program itself or even the price, but you also have an option to not buy it. You're a gimmick and so his your time-wasting arguments.




You're whining and being disruptive. You've went on several tangents speaking about gimmicks, bull**** intellectual property issues, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING that can keep you relevant in this discussion. You're a waste of time.

Seriously, just google gimmick. You're just making yourself look like a fool...even moreso. It's getting pathetic.

[Rivmk418t]

But seriously, you don't understand the concept of a gimmick. Let me try to break it down:

"In marketing language, a gimmick is a quirky feature that distinguishes a product or service without adding any obvious function or value. Thus, a gimmick sells solely on the basis of distinctiveness and may not appeal to the more savvy or shrewd customer." -Wikipedia

The exercises themselves included in the p90x program are legitimate and have function and value in achieving the goal of increasing strength. NOT A GIMMICK.

The super hip music, packaging, host, and other bull**** in the commercial DO NOT IN ANY WAY get you any sort of results, or add any value to the workout itself. THIS IS A ****ING GIMMICK.

Thank you and goodbye.