sls used a modified viper body. i do remember the still born nsx using an extended s2000 body as well.Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert
#247
sls used a modified viper body. i do remember the still born nsx using an extended s2000 body as well.
#248
Please, find it again, because so far all I can find is a vague promise that the Holden will get it when Australian-based production begins later this year, and this:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25768400802DB1
As GoAuto reported last week, the American Cruze sedan differs from its Korean-made Holden Cruze sedan by offering 10 airbags, a more advanced rear suspension design (a Watts ‘Z-Link’ set-up as also used in the Cruze’s closely related Opel Astra cousin), and a new 1.4-litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine.
#249
Both of which would be fairly obvious in existing only as test beds. Sort of like the initial Crosstour mules:
http://www.houstoncars.org/wp-conten...-crosstour.jpg
This Jetta has pretty weak camo, and body lines that look pretty uniform front to back. Doesn't look like anything like a hack job meant to confuse or just some tossed together combo of VW parts. This is our next Jetta.
#250
Hmmm I am confused now. I clearly remember this car advertised as Australian-built when I drove it, hence the Watts-link suspension.
I'd like to have an argument please.
#251
What makes you think that it's close to production ? A lot of things could be different, from bumpers to body panels. As I said before, VW has done that numerous times with other cars, including current Golf 6.Yes, I'm sure it will look totally different considering how close it is to production.
I saw the comments about rear drum brakes on base models. However, what makes you think that the car on photo is a base model ? Have you ever seen a car with stone brake shields ? I have and the the set up looks exactly like the one on those photos.
As for your brake comments, let me tell you again since you obviously didn't see it when it was posted before:
THE BASE CAR WILL HAVE REAR DRUM BRAKES AND A TORSION BEAM REAR SUSPENSION!
I'd like to have an argument please.
#252
I see your point, but Im going to also go with the assumption that the car in question is a base model.
If it was something "special" like a higher trim level or GLI model, I suspect that they would have camouflaged it much better than this car. They are probably using the basic/bland look to their advantage here.
#253
Eh, I'm kind of indifferent. The rear suspension and brakes have zero affect on me. I'll never own a base model car. I absolutely hated the MKV Jetta when it came out. I bitched about it everywhere. Now I have an 08 GLI. This will grow on me. I can't wait to see what they do with the GLI.
#254
Saw this floating around. More interested to see how the GLI model turns out. Base models are always so bland...
#256
That animation just proves that once you take all the concept-y bits off the Jetta concept, it becomes a fairly tame design. :p
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#258
keep dreaming about rear drums, it's not happening.
you're all stroking yourselves.
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#259
Why is that?
Unless VW refuses to use drum brakes on any car in any market, then it is always an option.
And to be honest- it is not really an issue on a normal car. Rear drum brakes work fine for their intended purpose (keeping the rear of vehicle behind the front under braking) outside of hard race track use.
heck- the Nissan 370Z brake issue shows that even a disc brake design on a sports car can easily fail due to heat build up with just a few hot track laps.
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#260
I like the side profile shots a lot - would like to see it in non-black though.
#261
Looks like the entire rear decklid is a false cover--it doesn't fit with the lines of the rest of the car at all & doesn't look anything like the trunk on the coupe concept.
#262
Like I mentioned before, this is better looking than the real car. I think a lot has to do with the C-pillar design. The rendering has a more unique, angular and sporty C-pillar which just makes a better executed overall design. The real one lacks any sort of distinctiveness.Another rendering
Oh well, a few tweaks to the sheetmetal would have made a much more dramatic styling statement.
#263
For what it is worth, the angle (taken more from the front) and wide angle of the black car make it difficult to compare it to the silver coupe rendering which has a more telephoto compression to it combined with a viewpoint that is slightly above (you can see the rear window).
Two more weeks and we'll get to see the official photos and the actual cars in person. The more consumer focused new base- model and middle-level cars will be shown (and for sale) first. The GLI comes next year.
#264
Is the black one the Jetta Outback 4x4 model?Saw this floating around. More interested to see how the GLI model turns out. Base models are always so bland...
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#265
Some of the renderings indeed assume a much shortened glasshouse - which ain't going to happen.
#266
I've just spent 5 minutes googling, but does anyone remember the BMW test mule from a few years ago that looked like a small armored car with 7-Series headlights on it? I assume it was an early X6 or something, but I cannot find it online. It looked very strange.
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#267
As always, thanks for the updates Jaime. I'm very much looking forward to the official reveal. I've owned 2 MKIII and 2 MKIV Jettas over the years, and I sure hope the new one doesn't disappoint. I would LOVE for VW to introduce an R version, as I'm completely convinced they would have no problem selling every one they bring over. We do love our sedans in the US!!
#268
ooo, new GLI
I just noticed the other day the GLI is off the site. There's a Wolfsburg edition now though
it's weird how they're selling the Jetta Sportwagen as a Mk6 and the Jetta sedan as a Mk5.
#269
I'll bet they sportwagen is going to be called a golf in the US once the new Jettas arrive. They already made the transition in Canada.
#270
No, it will still be called a Jetta Sportwagen in the US for 2011.
#272
If that black one is close to accurate, then I still think it looks great. And I'm no VW fanboi. I think the MKV and VI are boring and blobby looking. Too round, too soft and too innocuous.
But this MKVII could be a winner, IMO. Matter of fact, unless there's significant size difference, I don't know why anyone would choose a lower-end A4 (FWD with the 2.0T).
That assumes a lot though...
#274
Oh, I'm confused. I thought that the Jetta and the Golf always ran side by side. So the Jetta on sale now is still based off the MKV platform, while the Golf is now the MKVI? This Jetta is just playing catch-up?
#275
It looks too dang long. The NCC coupe rendering looks more compact, and as such, much more sporty.
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#276
The Jetta has always played catch-up to the Golf.
#277
Ah, well... Tells you how close I follow them. In any case, I like the looks of the car. If the production coupe looks close to the concept, I might gravitate back to the brand.
Thanks for the clarification.
#278
Why? That seems surprisingly "it's good enough" for a German brand.
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#279
Because the Jetta is only important to North Americans.
#280
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/jetta/
But they sell it in other markets.. so why even offer it if it is not modern Euro enough?
That and I fail to see how making two generations of the same car at the same time (MK golf and MK-1 jetta) is more practical from a manufacturing standpoint.
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