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    Thread: Vintage Hi-Fi gear. Who's into it?

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      11-18-2010 10:11 PM #101
      You are so right about the Rotel. When I first auditioned it, I thought it was very "Literal" or "clinical". I can understand why Rotels are sought after for multi-channel home theater amplifiers. This would make a good center channel amp where definition and clarity are necessary.

      This is more of my stuff that I'm currently fiddling with. These are one of my all time favorite speakers and it's on virtually every best 100 all time favorite listings. I first heard these back in 1982 and wanted a pair. The creator tried to emulate the brilliant sound of the Quad ESL57 and created the Dahlquist DQ-10s


      This one recently went away. Enjoyed it while I had it.


      But it does not compare to my favorite PreAmp


      Vinyl playback has always been an obsession for me. I sold these when I worked in a Stereo store back in the 80s. I was intrigued at the attempt at Linear tracking and ended up restoring one of these two years ago. This is now in my office system.
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      11-19-2010 12:13 AM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post
      You are so right about the Rotel. When I first auditioned it, I thought it was very "Literal" or "clinical". I can understand why Rotels are sought after for multi-channel home theater amplifiers. This would make a good center channel amp where definition and clarity are necessary.
      Even with very good speakers they can be matched wrong. The amp can really get in your face & sound very bright if not properly matched. Some people like that. For me it results in listening fatigue. I have a Rotel amp, preamp, & CD player combo that sounds wrong with some speakers. That extreme detail makes it hard to listen to for extended periods. It does produce the wow factor for people who have never heard good 2 channel equipment.

      The same speakers that sound so bright on the Rotel sound correct on NAD equipment. The proper speakers for the Rotel might sound too dark on NAD. When I first heard the Rotel it was matched with small JM Labs towers. It sounded correct with that combo.

      I agree with your thoughts on the Rotel for a center channel amp. Their home theater equipment is very under-rated.

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      But it does not compare to my favorite PreAmp
      What is that?

      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post
      Vinyl playback has always been an obsession for me. I sold these when I worked in a Stereo store back in the 80s. I was intrigued at the attempt at Linear tracking and ended up restoring one of these two years ago. This is now in my office system.
      I wasn't aware that Technics made one. I do know about the Sharp, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if many other companies made a linear TT. I haven't owned a TT for a long time.
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      11-19-2010 11:31 PM #103
      The DR-1 showed up today. I haven't had the time to unpack it yet. I'll have pictures up whenever I unbox it.
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      11-20-2010 12:09 AM #104
      just stumbled onto this thread out of boredom. My buddy is big into Martin Speakers, all vintage, and I have a Girard turntable. i've been wanting a cool tube amp to display but just haven't put the effort into finding one (funds are short for something like that too)

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      11-21-2010 02:12 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by synthsis View Post
      just stumbled onto this thread out of boredom. My buddy is big into Martin Speakers, all vintage, and I have a Girard turntable. i've been wanting a cool tube amp to display but just haven't put the effort into finding one (funds are short for something like that too)
      You are right about that. Even non-functional tubed equipment makes for excellent display items.
      From my experience, refurbishing the analog tube gear seems to be the most expensive part of the hobby. But it also has the highest resale value on the used market for vintage gear.

      But it sure is pretty when it's on the shelf.
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      11-21-2010 02:25 AM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQualude View Post
      ....What is that?

      I wasn't aware that Technics made one. I do know about the Sharp, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if many other companies made a linear TT. I haven't owned a TT for a long time.
      Technics made a couple of Linear tracking turntables using P-mount cartridges. The SL-D1 model was featured in a book called "Sound Design: Classic Audio and HiFi Design" by David Attwood
      The linear trackers are about as automated as could be back for an LP playback device. It would automatically recognize the size of the disc and adjust speed. Once it's closed you move the stylus from track to track, forward and backwards using the front touch panel controls.

      The SL-D1 was build like a tank and had a locking enclosure that was demonstrated by hanging it vertically on a wall where it would still play! The SL-D10 that I have was a more affordable unit that wasn't built quite as robust as the SL-D1 but used some of the more conventional materials that were common on their more popular turntables.

      The OEM cartridges were junk (Audio Technica?) and I upgraded the sample I have with an Ortofon OMP-10. It's decent as a playback device and I'm told by using the optional replaceable stylii, I can take the OMP10 and the SLD10 up a notch in musicality.
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      11-21-2010 04:05 AM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQualude View Post
      Thanks for the thought, but not interested.
      Fine! Be that way.

      I make my living shopping sites like the Goodwill site and flipping stuff so I'll throw nuggets here and there.

      Maybe THIS is a bit more your speed:
      Bang & Olufsen Turntable:



      http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=7058104

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      11-21-2010 05:09 AM #108
      Oh, and some Bang & Olufsen RL 60.2 Type 6513 speakers to go with it:

      http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions...d-7048473.html

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      11-21-2010 08:52 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQualude View Post
      That Akai deck was manufactured in 1982-1983 & had it. Naks from that time don't have it. The technology existed. Why they didn't use it is the real question.
      Most cassette decks will move away from the tape surface while in FF or RR. This greatly reduced the possibility of tape binding at high speed.

      In order for a cassette deck to find the beginning or the end of a track, it had to remain in contact with the tape and "listen" for the silence gap between tracks while the tape was moving at high speed forward/backward.

      Aside from the tape binding potential, I was told at the time that Nakamichi opted out of incorporating this feature in their product because it accelerated head wear.
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      11-24-2010 05:20 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by Breakfast Club View Post
      Fine! Be that way.

      I make my living shopping sites like the Goodwill site and flipping stuff so I'll throw nuggets here and there.

      Maybe THIS is a bit more your speed:
      Bang & Olufsen Turntable:



      http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=7058104
      Thanks again. :-) I'm not going to be acquiring any more vintage stuff unless I can find a decent pair of speakers with 12" or 15" woofers in good condition for the garage system.
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      11-24-2010 05:26 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post
      Most cassette decks will move away from the tape surface while in FF or RR. This greatly reduced the possibility of tape binding at high speed.

      In order for a cassette deck to find the beginning or the end of a track, it had to remain in contact with the tape and "listen" for the silence gap between tracks while the tape was moving at high speed forward/backward.

      Aside from the tape binding potential, I was told at the time that Nakamichi opted out of incorporating this feature in their product because it accelerated head wear.
      Crap. Almost forgot this. Nakamichi DR-1. Took the picture today.

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      11-25-2010 09:09 AM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQualude View Post
      Thanks again. :-) I'm not going to be acquiring any more vintage stuff unless I can find a decent pair of speakers with 12" or 15" woofers in good condition for the garage system.
      Look into some older wharfdales. they are usually inexpesive and have a great vintage sound.
      I have a pair of w60c and they sounded fantastic with an old fisher 500.

      or some JBL L26 they usually go for around 100 and i love them. theve always taken everything ive given them. Teh only problem is they usally need refoamed. but that just means you can get them cheaper

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      11-25-2010 08:28 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by vanaman View Post
      Look into some older wharfdales. they are usually inexpesive and have a great vintage sound.
      I have a pair of w60c and they sounded fantastic with an old fisher 500.

      or some JBL L26 they usually go for around 100 and i love them. theve always taken everything ive given them. Teh only problem is they usally need refoamed. but that just means you can get them cheaper

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      Thanks for the info. I looked but didn't find anything local. The ones that are available out of the area kill with shipping charges. I have quite a few sets of late '80's & early '90's speakers available to use, so it's not a must have now thing. I can wait until something reasonable & nearby comes up. I'd just like to match up the vintage receiver with something more in line with it's time frame & with a big woofer.
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      11-25-2010 09:33 PM #114
      wharfdales have a sand filled back that make them really heavy. so most of the time they arent worth shipping.

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      11-26-2010 12:12 AM #115
      I have a set of PSB Century 500i two ways that I may use in the garage. The cabinets are pretty big, solidly built, heavy, & have an 8" bass driver.
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      11-26-2010 07:18 AM #116
      I decided to hook up this combo to listen to for the time being, & will eventually move the speakers to the garage. NAD C720 BEE, PSB Century 500i, NAD C525 BEE, & the NAK DR-1. I received as a bonus a dozen hand recorded albums on tape in the box with the DR-1. The NAK has a real sweet, non-irritating sound. The magic of analog.
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      11-27-2010 05:14 PM #117
      Removed the 500i pair & replaced them with a Mirage M-360 pair. Lost a little low end but the sound is much more open. I forgot how good these pre-bipolar Mirage speakers were.
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      11-29-2010 10:39 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post
      I've got nothing but vintage gear and I do much of the same as VR6Bomber. I once built a system with digital processor and multiple amplifiers which was cool for multi-channel movies, but it just didn't sound as nice as the vintage equipment I've used. I ended up selling the gear on eBay.

      Tweeking and repairing seems to be part of the motivation behind high end audio equipment. It's definitely NOT what you'd find at the local Best Buy. They would not understand the obsession. Most consumers can't tell the difference and don't care unless it has a remote.
      I suppose that the vintage gear was marketed towards 'audio hobbyists'?
      Most vintage stuff was user serviceable, tweak-able, etc. for the hobby-enthusiast.
      Think about how Radio Shack was back in the 70's 80's, it was an electronics part store.

      I guess that's where I find the 'fun' in vintage stuff.
      Not like the plastic Best-Buy stuff of today that looks as cheap as it sounds imo.

      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post

      This one recently went away. Enjoyed it while I had it.

      The MX110 is a hard beat!
      I absolutely love mine, all telefunkens! Mine is a 'Z series' and looks a lot different than yours. It looks 'older' and the front panel is very different too. I have to replace the those power cans.
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      Crap. Almost forgot this. Nakamichi DR-1. Took the picture today.



      Nice, that is a very sweet deck ya can't go wrong with that one. DR1's are hard to find locally on CL
      and I hate e-bay with a passion.
      I continue to wait.

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      11-29-2010 04:59 PM #120
      Just got rid of the surround sound system and I am looking for an integrated amp or a reciever to run these:






      I'm thinking 70's Pioneer's or Yamaha's might be nice. Also looking to get some vintage furniture speakers (the ones that look like side tables).
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      Quote Originally Posted by matt.e. View Post
      Just got rid of the surround sound system and I am looking for an integrated amp or a reciever to run these:

      I'm thinking 70's Pioneer's or Yamaha's might be nice. Also looking to get some vintage furniture speakers (the ones that look like side tables).

      Not a big fan of Yamaha. A Pioneer would be a SX-***(*) model. The SX-*** would be cheaper than the SX-**** models.

      If you want a vintage integrated look into NAD.
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      11-29-2010 06:27 PM #122
      I love my nad 7255 reciever. its a great all around reciever.

      Also if you some power and vintage look at the sansui 8080db or 9090db.

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      11-29-2010 11:28 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by RENOG View Post
      Nice, that is a very sweet deck ya can't go wrong with that one. DR1's are hard to find locally on CL
      and I hate e-bay with a passion.
      I continue to wait.

      This is the unit that's going to be added to the garage system.




      Quote Originally Posted by vanaman View Post
      I love my nad 7255 reciever. its a great all around reciever.

      Also if you some power and vintage look at the sansui 8080db or 9090db.

      steve
      Did somebody say NAD?

      Last edited by CaptainQualude; 11-29-2010 at 11:46 PM.
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      12-13-2010 03:33 PM #124
      I just moved the Mirage M-360 speakers out of the system with the DR-1 & replaced them with PSB Stratus Monitors. My first impression is that they are a very polite speaker. They really don't do anything offensive. I'll have to get some listening to get a better feel for their sound. I'm currently using a NAD C720BEE to drive them.
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      12-14-2010 03:56 PM #125
      Anyone have any thoughts on a reel-to-reel vs. cassette deck?
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