but they sound like dog dookyYea, honda engines are not poorly designed engines. They are actually a very simple efficient design. They last a long time, are cheap to maintain, and easy to work on. The only down side i see to honda engines are more often then not they burn some oil. My honda i had, i got around 100k miles. It had 188 on it when it got totalled and the only thing i replaced in that time was front brakes, a tune up, and sway bar end links. The car was in my family for the first 100k before i got it. It never had any work done before i got it and the damn thing even still had the original 98 honda battery in it. If thats not good craftsmanship then im not sure what is i guess. Im not a honda guy and most i could careless about but they are good cars and i wouldnt mind getting a civic. Its 10 times less complicated and easier to work on then most vw/audi engines. You atleast dont have to uninstall half of the stuff under your hood to do something that should be simple. For example, doing a thermostat in a 1.8t you must take out the alt and dipstick tube. After removing them you still have to finagle your arm under the intake manifold and do the task with basically only feeling things and no visual. On a honda, thermostats are usally right on top or on the side and consists of taking nothing else off. Pretty much how it all goes with working on honda vs vw from experience.