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    Thread: Sixth Generation Volkswagen Jetta Debuts - Official Pics!

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      06-15-2010 05:28 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
      If this 2,0L turns out to be the old one from the 90's, I will be very disappointed in VW. And it will for sure not be precision engineering, whatever country it is from.
      Get used to disappointment in your life if that's all it takes.

      Do engine designs get less precise with age? Is my Air-cooler less precise than it was 40 years ago?

      The engine is dated, yes. You can dislike it all you want, it's a base engine for people looking almost exclusively at the bottom line. If you like the car and hate the 2.0, just get the 5, TDi or the turbo. What's the difference to you?

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      06-15-2010 05:29 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Blue Turbo View Post
      Huh, dunno if I care too much for the view of the front as seen head on. Looks decent from the other angles though. The interior shots looked promising but where's the full on photos?

      Still can't believe they've brought back the 2.slow. Does that mean we might see the same engine showing up in the Golf VI?
      I doubt they are bringing back the old 2.0 considering that the 2.0 was phased out mostly due to it's age, the harshness etc.. etc.. they are likely going to be offering a non-turboed version of the TSI.. so direct injection and all the goodness with probably around 150hp.

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      06-15-2010 05:31 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by vdubchop2k4 View Post
      ok so i really hope that they the 2.0 is a complete revision and hope its at least an 16v cause 8v's is not going to cut it in a chassis that heavy lets be real cause even the 8v in the mk4 that thing could barely get out of its own way
      Wow.. all it takes to make an engine more powerful is more valves? I didn't know... I think I'm going to design a 100valve 4 cyl.. man that would rock.

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      06-15-2010 05:33 PM #39
      Had a great time today, got to meet Katy Perry again, lovely person. Overall the new Jetta is great looking in person. The styling is very low key but the lines are smooth and crisp. Every body panel of the new Jetta flows so well into the other. Can't wait to see one bagged out on Rotiforms!
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      06-15-2010 05:34 PM #40
      very disappointed we're on page 2 and there are no chops of this thing on its belly...

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      06-15-2010 05:37 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post


      The 2.0 is a winner only if it offers class-leading fuel economy. VW had a non-turbo 2.0 direct-injected engine in Europe which would do that, but somehow I doubt that's what we'll get getting.

      This car is being built in Tennessee, right?

      I find it curious that the photos and video were shot in Japan.

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      Mexico along side the polo. The first car to be produced in Tennessee will be the Passat replacement.

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      06-15-2010 05:41 PM #42
      I like the exterior a lot. Sure it's boring and forgettable but it has nice lines that will age well.

      The interior looks better than the leaked one. The center stack with the HVAC controls bothers me. I don't like how it is receded into the panel, it seems poorly designed. I'm nitpicking, but it brings flashbacks of cheapo 90's Japaneses interiors.

      The model is larger than the MK5 because they added length to the backseats. I always had people complain about rear space in older generation Jettas, and this will help the Jetta appeal to the masses. It might be a little too big for my taste however...

      Finally, I just don't understand the rational for reviving the old 2.0. Obviously VW is trying to keep the price down, but the 2.0 can't be that much cheaper than using the 2.5 or the old 1.8t. It's also not an efficient engine, which is the entire point of a base model.
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      06-15-2010 05:41 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
      North americans just have to get their heads out of the sand!
      What does VW offer Europeans?
      Downsized engines with turbo (and compressor). A 1,4L offers basically the same power (hp and torque) as the old VR6 with great milage. Why stay in the olden days when technology is moving on.

      From the press release: "Jetta, delivering style, precision German engineering..."

      If this 2,0L turns out to be the old one from the 90's, I will be very disappointed in VW. And it will for sure not be precision engineering, whatever country it is from.
      Europeans also drive much differently then americans. The cars are mostly used in towns or cities, they rarely travel the distances that the average american commuter does. While the 1.4TSI may be a cool engine, would it stand up to the long range mileage that american drivers subject their cars to? If this does turn out to be the old 2.0 I'm sure it will have considerable updates. On the other hand, I thought these engines were out of production, and obviously retooling a factor to build an engine which is not shared with any other platform no matter how much is saved in research and development is not as effective as using an engine which is currently in production and shared with other platforms.

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      06-15-2010 05:42 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Get used to disappointment in your life if that's all it takes.

      Do engine designs get less precise with age? Is my Air-cooler less precise than it was 40 years ago?

      The engine is dated, yes. You can dislike it all you want, it's a base engine for people looking almost exclusively at the bottom line. If you like the car and hate the 2.0, just get the 5, TDi or the turbo. What's the difference to you?
      The engine is also out of production, the factories which built them have been retooled for newer products. I cannot see VW putting an engine back into production simply for the NA market.

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      06-15-2010 05:51 PM #45
      body looks 'ok' but cant wait to see if theres a gli

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      06-15-2010 05:54 PM #46
      ya the GLI should look siiick.

      Any p-shop attempts anyone??

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      06-15-2010 05:55 PM #47
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      06-15-2010 06:10 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Tom@VMG View Post
      Since the new Jetta won't go on sale till September/October later this year, there are some details that haven't been announced - final pricing, fuel economy figures and more.[/i]
      Actually, the VW international press release does mention fuel economy.

      The 115hp 2.0 is rated 28 mpg combined - that's 1 mpg shy of a Corolla and Civic, and 4mpg better than the MK4 with the 2.0. It also says the 2.0 is a "new engine".

      https://www.volkswagen-media-service...tlichkeit.html

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      06-15-2010 06:25 PM #49
      I didn't read the whole VWvortex article but read another release and apparently the old beam rear suspension is coming back too except on the GLI? Talk about taking a step back. I was really looking foward to a MKVI chassis based Jetta coupe, I thought that would be cool. Hopefully VW offers a smaller sedan or brings the Polo over or something. VW keeps teasing me with cool concepts ( Jetta Coupe, all the sports car concepts) and then making cool cars and not bringing them to the USA (Golf R, Scirocco, Polo)

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      06-15-2010 06:35 PM #50
      the 2.0L could be based on the 2.5L, with a cylinder lopped off.

      since us owners with direct injection are concerned with the inevitable clogged intake manifolds... the last thing VW needs is that type of costly maintenance concerns for the volume model.
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    16. 06-15-2010 06:41 PM #51
      I'm struck by the redesign with an overwhelming sense of "Meh." I was expecting something...sexier?

      And since the ugly tail end of the current Jetta wagon isn't getting any much-needed love this year, I guess I'm back to deciding between GTI or Golf TDI - or waiting another year entirely.

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      06-15-2010 06:48 PM #52
      Less Jetta, more Katy Perry.

      seriously though, pretty "meh" in my opinion as well. really can't picture a MEAN version of this car.
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      06-15-2010 06:49 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
      North americans just have to get their heads out of the sand!
      What does VW offer Europeans?
      Downsized engines with turbo (and compressor). A 1,4L offers basically the same power (hp and torque) as the old VR6 with great milage. Why stay in the olden days when technology is moving on.

      Uhm....You need to shut your mouth. I could go on for days about half the stuff we don't get here in the States but I'll just sum it all up with 1 particular thing...

      I'd really love a Defender.

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      06-15-2010 06:51 PM #54
      Is it just me, or is this car just very boring and generic looking? I mean it doesnt really look much like a previous Jetta. I mean you could put another badge and model on it, and pass it off as someone else's car.

      I mean no one would mistake a BMW or a Mercedes, but this car could belong to almost anybody.

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      06-15-2010 06:51 PM #55
      About what I expected it to look like based off of the Jetta Coupe concept. I am personally hoping they do release the Jetta Coupe with the 2.0T as the Jetta just has gotten too big for me. I think my Mk5 Jetta is too big personally. Will be interesting to see what the GLI looks like though....
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      06-15-2010 06:52 PM #56
      I like it overall. I'm sure that the base 2.0L will not be the old 2.slo. For sure will be a updated version, lets all just see what VW has to offer before going off the deep end. After all the 2.0 turbo will have a home in the GLI, correct?
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      06-15-2010 06:53 PM #57
      The tail is screaming B8 A4 styling.

      A company as "forward thinking" as VW should, in my opinion, design around new ideas rather than drawing from other ideas in their line-up. I could understand if it were more akin to a previous edition Jetta, Golf, etc. but this is just odd to me. Unless I'm seeing something that totally doesn't exist... maybe pictures will illustrate this?




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      06-15-2010 06:54 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
      North americans just have to get their heads out of the sand!
      What does VW offer Europeans?
      Downsized engines with turbo (and compressor). A 1,4L offers basically the same power (hp and torque) as the old VR6 with great milage. Why stay in the olden days when technology is moving on.
      The 1.4 TSI makes 122 hp & 147 lb-ft... that's not basically the same power & tq as the outgoing 2.8L DOHC VR6, not even the SOHC VR6.

      Plus, the 1.4 TSI requires 95 RON (roughly 91 AKI)--- people that buy the Jetta won't want buy a car that requires premium to operate.

      There are 2.0T owners out there that don't want to use premium on their cars
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      06-15-2010 07:11 PM #59
      The new Jetta even gets Katy Perry excited!



      Looks like a car that we will be seeing lots of on the street. Nothing overwhelming appealing like the CC but still better than the competition.

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      06-15-2010 07:20 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post

      If this 2,0L turns out to be the old one from the 90's, I will be very disappointed in VW. And it will for sure not be precision engineering, whatever country it is from.
      Prepare to be dissappointed. The "2.0" In a general sense has been around since 1974 in the first Rabbits. My 1.8L 8v Scirocco had 364,000 miles on the original motor, never opened, before I sold it. The 2.0 that you think of, is the same general design with newer fuel injection and such. I personally hate the 2.5. It drives like a 4 and drinks like a 6.

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      06-15-2010 07:22 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by ownerizer View Post
      Prepare to be dissappointed. The "2.0" In a general sense has been around since 1974 in the first Rabbits. My 1.8L 8v Scirocco had 364,000 miles on the original motor, never opened, before I sold it. The 2.0 that you think of, is the same general design with newer fuel injection and such. I personally hate the 2.5. It drives like a 4 and drinks like a 6.
      I stand corrected.... here is what jaime wrote:

      The Jetta VI has grown over three inches in length when compared to the previous version, with 2.6 of those inches being realized as additional rear legroom. The base models (S and SE) will also see the return of the two-liter four-cylinder from the fourth-genereation car, but the 2.5-liter five-cylinder will be available on those trim levels, as well as the SEL. If you're a fan of the two-liter turbocharged engine seen elsewhere in the range, you'll have to hold out for the GLI model, which won't be available until next year. The GLI will also afford you multilink rear suspension, as well as an expected appearance upgrade.
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    27. 06-15-2010 07:43 PM #62
      How cheap can VW get? You have to be kidding me. The cheapest cars sold in America have these basic gauges. And a PUSH BUTTON to start the car? Come on VW, kill the gimmics.

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      06-15-2010 07:50 PM #63
      I like it. Can't wait to see the GLI. Note to VW: Please add 4Motion (and send over the New Scirocco too)!
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      06-15-2010 08:00 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Grillman View Post
      How cheap can VW get? You have to be kidding me. The cheapest cars sold in America have these basic gauges. And a PUSH BUTTON to start the car? Come on VW, kill the gimmics.


      It's sporty. Remember the 2000+ Celica? It is digital coolant & fuel gauge

      The Cobalt has digital coolant temp gauge (but the Aveo has the analog ones)

      The Yaris is missing the analog fuel/temp gauges

      The Accent is missing the analog fuel/temp gauges

      The Forte is missing the analog temp gauge......

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      06-15-2010 08:02 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Grillman View Post
      How cheap can VW get? You have to be kidding me. The cheapest cars sold in America have these basic gauges. And a PUSH BUTTON to start the car? Come on VW, kill the gimmics.
      I know right!? Christ at the current rate I will be swaping engines into my 98 jetta vr6

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      06-15-2010 08:09 PM #67
      Mixed feelings on this.

      The car as is, doesn't look like a forward evolution as one would expect. It stands to reason that every new iteration should somehow be nicer, more refined, have more options, new engine technology, etc.

      HOWEVER

      I've been secretly wishing for VW to go this direction for a long time. They need to get back to making reliable, well engineered, economical cars that can be fun to drive, for a reasonable price. This doesn't necessitate soft touch plastics, Audi level ergonomics, 250+ hp engines, etc.

      This is the embodiment of an old philosophy, being introduced to a new generation.

      I personally hope it goes over well.

    33. 06-15-2010 08:14 PM #68
      It's quite likely the 2.0 engine will be the 2.slow...

      Don't forget it is still being produced in Mexico for the Mk4.5 Jetta that's still on sale in Latin America. Quite easy to put it in the 2011 Jetta.

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      06-15-2010 08:20 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Crash6 View Post
      Mixed feelings on this.

      The car as is, doesn't look like a forward evolution as one would expect. It stands to reason that every new iteration should somehow be nicer, more refined, have more options, new engine technology, etc.

      HOWEVER

      I've been secretly wishing for VW to go this direction for a long time. They need to get back to making reliable, well engineered, economical cars that can be fun to drive, for a reasonable price. This doesn't necessitate soft touch plastics, Audi level ergonomics, 250+ hp engines, etc.

      This is the embodiment of an old philosophy, being introduced to a new generation.

      I personally hope it goes over well.
      I like how you think I really like the look of this it looks like a good "visual modding" platform.. i like the rest cant wait to see the GLI
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