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    Thread: Sixth Generation Volkswagen Jetta Debuts - Official Pics!

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      06-16-2010 02:39 PM #106
      It's amazing to me how slight changes in the lines from the concept can absolutely destroy the look of the car. The hard lines on the rear of the concept are very nice and give it an aggressive look. They softened that right up to give it a nice Kia Forte mix with a 2002 Accord rear end so it's uber bland. The roofline, the front end lines. All of them have the same changes from the concept to make what appeared to be the best looking Jetta yet to the most bland looking with just minor changes to those lines. I prefer a hatch anyway, but it's just sad that the design changed that much from the concept that looked so great. The GLI doesn't have a chance outside of some minor things they will change (headlights, grill and maybe a more agressive front bumper). It still won't look as good as the concept.

      From Great:



      To Terrible with just minor line changes:


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      06-16-2010 03:00 PM #107
      I am hoping that they fix those problems with 2.0 L base engine, eating excessively oil,

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      06-16-2010 03:12 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by NJRoadfan View Post
      Then whats the point of the start/stop button then? The Passat and A4 have the same slot, except you insert the fob and push the fob itself to start/stop the car. Advanced key systems with push button start aren't unheard of in this price point, Nissan sells a lot of sub-$20k cars with it.
      I'm not seeing anywhere that the push button is located, unless I'm just looking with my eyes closed.

      As for my opinion, I agree it's a progression, but yes, not my favorite design. I do hope they build the coupe version of the car, especially with a TDI 6-speed.

      One thing I do like is finally a universal trunk for NA and ROW cars... seems they started this trend in the Tiguan, then progressed through the JSW and Mk6 Golf/GTI twins. It's about time for that one VW
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      06-16-2010 04:51 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by Green Hare View Post
      I'm not seeing anywhere that the push button is located, unless I'm just looking with my eyes closed.


      Its kinda small, but its there.
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      06-16-2010 06:01 PM #110
      2 W's:

      weight?
      wagon?

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      06-16-2010 06:49 PM #111
      agreed, the concept has that 'something special', sadly the production model has lost it

      too bad, because I was looking forward to it, maybe it's better in person....

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      06-16-2010 07:29 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by dub_IN View Post
      IMO, it's a stupid feature anyway.
      +1

    8. 06-16-2010 08:27 PM #113
      If anyone's interested, I did a post regarding the Jetta VI design in the Car Lounge forum under Jamie@vwvortex's VW Jetta VI Official Photos Released Early post, reply #144.
      I probably should have had the sense to post it here. (MODS: Is it possible to copy it to this post? If so, please do.) Long story short, I like it.

    9. 06-16-2010 09:00 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by jtrujillo86 View Post
      I was really excited to see/hear about the MKVI Jetta. However, just like when the MKV debuted, it's gonna take me some getting used to

      And for all the haters bitchin' about the 2.0...I'm sure they've never even driven a MKIV Jetta powered by one. IMO they're reliable, efficient, and cheap to maintain. What more could you want from a BASE engine?

      - Jeremy.
      Not sure YOU have driven a car with the 2.0. It is not really that efficient (you gotta baby it big time to get 34 on the highway), not particularly reliable (burning oil like there is no tomorrow) : the 2.0 as it was sold in 99 is not competitive anymore. Let's see if they tweaked it.

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      06-16-2010 10:00 PM #115
      will it be made in Mexico ?

    11. 06-16-2010 10:16 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by toneman View Post
      2 W's:

      weight?
      wagon?
      Weight I have no idea, but wagon I do. What you folks in the States know as the Jetta Sportwagon, is something the rest of the world (including Canada) knows as the Golf wagon, and it will carry on unchanged for at least a couple more years. Maybe it will be renamed the Golf wagon in the USA now, too. Same vehicle, though.

      And that's a good thing, because when the time comes to replace my Mk5 Jetta TDI sedan, the most likely replacement will be a Golf wagon. I'm not feeling the heavy de-contenting that the Jetta sedan is seeing. Instruments ... arrrrgh. Trunk hinges ... argh. Torsion beam axle rear suspension ... ARRRRGH! The Golf (hatch or wagon) is a much nicer vehicle.

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      06-16-2010 10:18 PM #117
      Why is everybody obsessed with the push button start switch? Is that supposed to be some kind of measure for luxury or whatever? It is just a switch after all, it does not cost anything more to make than traditional turn key switch..if you think about it, it should actually cost less, not having to machine key slot components. On another note, why is everybody upset with the cheap version of Jetta? Isn't the VW after all a "people's car" . If you want somewhat luxury and bit of performance, spring out some money and get yourself an Audi. I think that's what VW is doing, they do not want the Jetta to be competing with some of their other brands meanwhile trying to lure some Corolla, Civic and similar customers into showrooms. However I do agree that using outdated 2.0 8V with 115 HP just does not make sense, it lacks power, lacks fuel economy, and it belongs to a car made 20 yrs ago not in 2011. European 1.2 liter makes 105 HP and 1.4 makes 122hp or 160hp for a twincharged version. I own a 2.0 Golf and I am not into racing or anything, it is my daily driver, but with 4 passengers and AC on, the car feels like I am towing a house behind me, and then I have to climb hills...good luck 2.0 with hauling that bigarse sedan.

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      06-16-2010 10:23 PM #118
      the way I see it, and it may not seem like much, but push button is safer in a crash. I haven't read the whole thread (I'm a typical Vortexer lol) so I don't know what people are saying about it

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      06-16-2010 10:25 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by NJRoadfan View Post


      Its kinda small, but its there.
      Thanks... I'm not obsessed with it, more a curiosity. And also, could this spell the end of the switchblade key? That is one seriously fat slot for the key...

      Garey - it has been stated that these will be built in Mexico...

      Wagon? Great question, I have heard nothing of plans to change from the current Golf Mk6 Wagon (oh, that would be Jetta Wagon here in the USA).
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      06-16-2010 10:55 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by VWYankee View Post
      It's amazing to me how slight changes in the lines from the concept can absolutely destroy the look of the car. The hard lines on the rear of the concept are very nice and give it an aggressive look. They softened that right up to give it a nice Kia Forte mix with a 2002 Accord rear end so it's uber bland. The roofline, the front end lines. All of them have the same changes from the concept to make what appeared to be the best looking Jetta yet to the most bland looking with just minor changes to those lines. I prefer a hatch anyway, but it's just sad that the design changed that much from the concept that looked so great. The GLI doesn't have a chance outside of some minor things they will change (headlights, grill and maybe a more agressive front bumper). It still won't look as good as the concept.

      From Great:



      To Terrible with just minor line changes:

      I agree with you 100%. The production car is a letdown after seeing the renderings. They were much more aggressive and distinctive compared to this wallflower design. It amazes me that VW couldn't just tweak the sheetmetal a bit more for a homerun design. It was almost there...so close.

      When the spy photos leaked out, I knew I was going to be disappointed. People kept harping on the fact that the details were hidden, but I begged to differ. The design was there for all to see, and like you said, the sharp and angular lines of the rendering made it much sportier than the production version revealed. Again, they finally had the opportunity to break away from the "Golf with a trunk" stigma, and really distinguish this car. They failed.

      Maybe a GLI or R (wishful thinking) version will change my perception of the thing, but I'm not holding my breath.
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      06-16-2010 11:29 PM #121
      2.SLOW still ticking strong at 115K in my MKIV beater.

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      06-17-2010 12:06 AM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Njaneer View Post
      2.SLOW still ticking strong at 115K in my MKIV beater.
      my 96 Golf had a strong 2.0 with over 220k on the clock when I sold it (only maintenance was oil changes, spark plug and plug wire changes, and air filter change) it now has over 350k miles and still going strong

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      06-17-2010 12:07 AM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Actually, the VW international press release does mention fuel economy.

      The 115hp 2.0 is rated 28 mpg combined - that's 1 mpg shy of a Corolla and Civic, and 4mpg better than the MK4 with the 2.0. It also says the 2.0 is a "new engine".

      https://www.volkswagen-media-service...tlichkeit.html
      2.slow is rated 28 mpg combined for the manual. It's 26 for the automatic. However, it's forecasted, not official EPA.

      So... compared to the Corolla 1.8L:
      manual: 2 mpg shy
      automatic: 3 mpg shy

      And the Civic, 1mpg shy for the manual & 3 mpg shy for the automatic
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      06-17-2010 12:30 AM #124
      Well, couldn't figure out how to quote yet, (first time back since the website update, ha) but VW took a very nice looking concept and changed the lines and it is pretty uninspiring now. Saved me some money I guess.

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      06-17-2010 01:03 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by 71sbeetle View Post
      my 96 Golf had a strong 2.0 with over 220k on the clock when I sold it (only maintenance was oil changes, spark plug and plug wire changes, and air filter change) it now has over 350k miles and still going strong
      No one is doubting longevity or reliability. I have owned both 1.8 and 2.0 (non-turbo) VWs and the motors just last. The issue with using the 2.0 in the MKVI is the 115hp will be worked that much harder in the heavier car.

      The MKIII and MKIV cars were around 2,900 lbs
      MKV around 3,230 pounds (MKVI likely close or heavier)

      Definitely felt a performance decrease when my 2.0 car was loaded up.

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      06-17-2010 01:17 AM #126
      my Mom's Golf MK5 has a 1.4 engine in it, 75hp IIRC, it's fine

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      06-17-2010 01:52 AM #127
      Its not so much the power specs of the 2.0 that bother me, but a lack of forward progress. And I agree with other posters I was super excited for the jetta when I saw the renderings. The production car is a complete dissapointment compared. I would sorta like the car if I never saw the pre production renderings

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      06-17-2010 02:09 AM #128
      The push button start looks like a last minute job. I wonder what else they did at the last minute

      The push button feature is better than sticking in the key fob, but it would take sometime to get use to it. Pushing in the key is almost like using a normal key, maybe thats why the first decided to go with pushing in the key.

    24. 06-17-2010 02:39 AM #129
      Well at least the Volkswagen / Honda rivalry will see a decline seeing as they won't be able to tell each other apart anymore.
      Farewell thee my 16 Vee, you were oh so good to me. Now I less than three my VR C.

    25. 06-17-2010 03:01 AM #130
      I hope the 2.Slo 8V (2.0 R4 37-88kW) would be one of the "improved" (or exceeding engine codes)...AUZ, ASU, AVA engines:

      88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) @ 5,600 rpm; 175 newton metres (129 ft·lbf) @ 2,600 rpm — AUZ, ASU, AVA (Note: Timing belt)

      Better yet, the 2.Slo (or 2.Go) 16V (2.0 R4 16v FSI 110kW):

      110 kilowatts (150 PS; 148 bhp) @ 6,000 rpm; 200 newton metres (148 ft·lbf) @ 3,500 rpm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...2.0_R4_80-86kW

    26. 06-17-2010 03:23 AM #131
      Based on this link:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._16v_FSI_110kW

      I think this is what we'll see in the new Jetta as far as petrol engines go:

      Base = NA 2.0L 4cyl 150 hp
      2.5 = NA 2.5L 5cyl 170 hp
      GLI = Turbo 2.0L 4cyl 208 hp

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      06-17-2010 03:28 AM #132
      Wow ! the car is amazing!

      I want to see all the technical specs.

      And the best, will be built in Mexico !!

    28. 06-17-2010 09:36 AM #133
      This reminds me of seeing the new Mustang concept years ago at the LA Auto Show. When I saw that car I was blown away. I thought "if the production car looks anything like this, the Mustang will be the first American car I own since I was 16." (My first car was a '77 Camaro I'm embarrassed to say.)

      Needless to say, Ford completely screwed up the car for production and what came rolling off the assembly line was a cheap-looking, boring version of its concept-car self. I did not buy a Mustang.

      I'm getting deja vu from this new Jetta. A real shame.

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      06-17-2010 09:54 AM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by paul99 View Post
      I am hoping that they fix those problems with 2.0 L base engine, eating excessively oil,
      I still drive a '98 MkIII - just over 209 000 miles with no engine work, never had to add a drop of oil between changes (every 3K - 5K) .
      My wifes' '99 MkIV GTI GLS with 2.0 slow - now that is a different animal altogether, drinks oil all the time.
      Basically same engine - two totally different results.

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      06-17-2010 11:13 AM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by OneVW2many View Post
      I think we bought VW's because we liked the european styling and characteristics that made them somewhat unique as cars. VW will fail trying to homogenize the brand to become the perfect faux 'North American' marketing wet-dream. Step to the back of the line with Kia, Hyundai, Toyota... !

      Simply mind-numbing.
      Yes, but we should all hope for the mass success of the Jetta becuase it will allow VW to sell more interesitng cars like the Golf as loss leaders. Let the Jetta and the NMS make enough money for VW here and maybe they'll even bring the Scirocco over, too!

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      06-17-2010 11:32 AM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by Rend It View Post
      Based on this link:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._16v_FSI_110kW

      I think this is what we'll see in the new Jetta as far as petrol engines go:

      Base = NA 2.0L 4cyl 150 hp
      2.5 = NA 2.5L 5cyl 170 hp
      GLI = Turbo 2.0L 4cyl 208 hp
      However it does not make sense to have a base engine require premium fuel. Yes, the 2.0 FSI in europe requires 95 RON (roughly 91 AKI here).
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      06-17-2010 11:38 AM #137
      I don't know how VW product planners nailed this as well as they did. Remember, this car probably was started planning at least 3-4 years ago. That was pre-recession.

      So VW gives you a great value product! In today's society, people are watching every penny. Good job VW!

      And it's now almost as big as the B5 Passat........ hmmmm, with 2.0 T engine, I may be persuaded to get this car (provided they offer some upgrades in a couple years... like external temp gage, and chrome ring gauges).

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      06-17-2010 12:21 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by VWYankee View Post
      It's amazing to me how slight changes in the lines from the concept can absolutely destroy the look of the car. The hard lines on the rear of the concept are very nice and give it an aggressive look. They softened that right up to give it a nice Kia Forte mix with a 2002 Accord rear end so it's uber bland. The roofline, the front end lines. All of them have the same changes from the concept to make what appeared to be the best looking Jetta yet to the most bland looking with just minor changes to those lines. I prefer a hatch anyway, but it's just sad that the design changed that much from the concept that looked so great. The GLI doesn't have a chance outside of some minor things they will change (headlights, grill and maybe a more agressive front bumper). It still won't look as good as the concept.

      From Great:
      To Terrible with just minor line changes:

      Quote Originally Posted by rdevine View Post
      I agree with you 100%. The production car is a letdown after seeing the renderings. They were much more aggressive and distinctive compared to this wallflower design. It amazes me that VW couldn't just tweak the sheetmetal a bit more for a homerun design. It was almost there...so close.

      When the spy photos leaked out, I knew I was going to be disappointed. People kept harping on the fact that the details were hidden, but I begged to differ. The design was there for all to see, and like you said, the sharp and angular lines of the rendering made it much sportier than the production version revealed. Again, they finally had the opportunity to break away from the "Golf with a trunk" stigma, and really distinguish this car. They failed.

      Maybe a GLI or R (wishful thinking) version will change my perception of the thing, but I'm not holding my breath.

      You guys are blind. The car in the renderings looks 99% like the car revealed. The difference is obviously the apperance package (spoiler, bumpers & side skirts).

      Do you really think VW would release renderings of a base model? They're gonna release rendrings of the most elegant looking model to get the buyers attention.

      The pictures I've seen of the new Jetta looks like one of the best looking 16k dollar cars I've seen.

      Quit your crying and wait till the GLI comes out if your that concerned about apperance. But ofcourse you'll complain then also so. . . .

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      06-17-2010 12:25 PM #139
      While I don't mind the looks of it, per se, I can see all over where corners were cut to keep the costs down.

      No IRS, trunk hinges from the 80's, return of the hard plasticy interior bits (no different from my cheapo Rabbit), boring gauge cluster, viva la 2.slow!, etc etc.

      I will be very curious to see what they do with a GLI since the base model is starting at $14.9 or so. Give us a GLI around $22k and that gives them quite a bit of additional room to work with.
      Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

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      06-17-2010 03:04 PM #140
      Yup I am going to be sticking with my MKV this is awful! I do not like the look of it at all....looks like something an old person would drive F that crap.

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