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    Thread: DIY: 9W7 Bluetooth swap from 9W2 on RNS510

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      08-31-2010 11:29 AM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by jaydubz View Post
      Thank you for that. So would it be safe to say that I do not have voice dialing features with the rcd510?
      Voice dialing works exceptionally well on my 9W7/RCD510. Great improvement!
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      08-31-2010 11:35 AM #107
      Info about where to buy is in the first post

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      08-31-2010 06:07 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by Mouser View Post
      Interesting. Can anyone confirm? And can this be done with non-nav systems as well?
      Yes, you can unlink a phone at any time via the MFD+ driver's display. Then you can search for another of your previously paired phones. If one of those is nearby you can link to it. This can only be done when the car is not moving.

      You do not need the RNS-510 to do this. But you will need a MFSW to move around the MFD+ display.

      You can unpair a phone, too, when you want to start using a new phone (e.g., a friend is with you who has a phone not previously paired to the BT system).

      I have done this several times via the MFD+.
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    4. 09-01-2010 09:21 PM #109
      Hi Gary:

      I upgraded from 9w3 to 9w7. Nightmare. I have an ATT Pantech Matrix lower tech phone. When I paired it the car would not accept the entire phone book. Using the "send this card" on my phone I loaded each name one at a time and recorded the voice command. I loaded some numbers I later decided to delete or re-tag from mobile to home etc. I cannot delete or update the phone book.

      I have used the 9w3 manual to do this by voice, looked at a 2011 Tiguan phone manual, checked at my turbo diesel, called ask the ask the VW car sales guy.

      Some say I need an A2DP phone. Some say my phone is just too low tech. In the 9w7 I went "settings", "phone book", "update" and then it says the phone book is not full. I tried delete a name by going microphone button, then delete name and then saying the name in the phone book as outlined in 9w3 instructions to do this by voice command.

      Otherwise all the phone functions are working!

      Now I am afraid even if I get a new phone my first phone book data will remain in the car unless i take the module with me if and when i sell it. Any help in updating or deleting my phone book would be would be much appreciated.

      thanks. Just e mail me at martinleventon49@yahoo.com if you want.

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      09-03-2010 01:24 PM #110
      that's interesting I had never heard of getting just part of the phone book downloaded. I will look into that

    6. 09-06-2010 09:24 PM #111
      Hi Gary:

      I went to the ATT store and the guy had a driod and an i phone 4 and came out to my car and both phones worked flawlessly with this 9w7 module. Phone directory, call log, etc. You do not even have to use voice tag for these smart phones. They however, are expensive and require a data plan.

      I called VW customer care. They say they do not have a list of compatible 9w7 phones. The old list for the 9w3 they say probably will work but they cannot guarantee. All of them by the way are discontinued models. I reviewed the 9w3 list on the blog " ask a VW sales guy" and the VW print out from VW academy says most bluetooth phones work with the 9w3 but if not on the list then the phone book functions may not necessarily work.

      I strongly recommend for anyone reading this to have their phone store let them bring their demo phone out to the car to see if the 9w7 sees the phone book and that all functions work otherwise you will have problems like me.

      Now I am 100% sure its my phone causing my problems but VW needs to be pressed to list what phones are compatible with 9w7. They also told me they do not support 9w7 modules installed aftermarket.

      The guy I bought the 9w7 said they did not come with manuals but myVW service guy was kind enough to copy a 2011 Tiguan phone manual which appears to be accurate. However, it does not have many phone commands.

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      09-07-2010 01:08 PM #112
      Hi all,

      I was wondering what BT options do i have for my 09 Tig with RDC510.
      I read about Volk-L and 9W3 and 9W7. Does any of these will work with my 09?
      thx

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      I did some reading about Bluetooth: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a...etooth-FAQ.htm
      it looks like im limited with my 09 Tig to Voc-l or 9W3 model 1Z0035729B only (red MDI).
      Is that true?
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      09-07-2010 11:26 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by marsbars View Post
      ...They also told me they do not support 9w7 modules installed aftermarket...
      They won't support anything you put in the vehicle...even if it were the same as the original. If you replace a radio with the same model that originally came with the car, they won't support that new radio either.
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    9. 09-14-2010 10:06 AM #114
      Would you all be so kind as to post what type of cell phone you have and whether it totally works with your 9w7? Please say whether its a smart phone or just messaging phone, the brand and if its locked or unlock. This will help all of us knowing whats out there that works until VW helps out with a list.

      Thanks so much!

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      09-14-2010 11:22 AM #115
      I have an LG Env3 VX9200 everything works as advertised

    11. 09-14-2010 02:53 PM #116
      iPhone 4 (AT&T in U.S., not jailbroken)

      Everything works.

    12. 09-14-2010 09:23 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by dave999z View Post
      the rcd510, which is the non-nav touchscreen head unit (dynaudio doesn't matter, head unit is the same), does not support on-screen phone functions as far as i know. the 9w7 bluetooth module would, however, let you access your phonebook from the steeringwheel / MFI display (between speedo and tach). the 9w2 module can't do that.
      Hello,
      I just installed a 9w7 in my car with rcd510 and the phone functions work the head unit.

      I used to have an rsap BT module from nokia before and the rcd510 worked phone functions with the old module too.

      I only lost functionality in a hardware phone keypad that was installed and dose not work with the new 9 w7, but no i have a2dp

      Wish i had the iPod and battery nice looking icons though , i only get the BT icon with iPhone 4

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      09-14-2010 10:39 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by osoliman View Post
      Wish i had the iPod and battery nice looking icons though , i only get the BT icon with iPhone 4
      Same here. It doesn't seem to be a phone issue though. I think it is dependent on what software/firmware (hopefully not hardware) version of the instrument cluster or CAN Gateway you have. We need people both with and without the Battery and iPod icons showing up and access to a VAG-COM to post their autoscan results.

      Here is mine:

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
      Part No SW: 5K0 920 970 L HW: 5K0 920 970 L
      Component: KOMBI H05 0206
      Serial number: 00000000000000
      Coding: 270F00
      Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
      ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW36.rod
      VCID: 37762C1E3F25

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AA HW: 1K0 907 951
      Component: J533 Gateway H07 0081
      Revision: H07 01 Serial number: 270809F2001201
      Coding: ED817F07500612000002
      Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
      VCID: 66C8B15A280F

      No fault code found.

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      09-14-2010 10:46 PM #119
      Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
      Part No SW: 5K0 920 970 Q HW: 5K0 920 970 Q
      Component: KOMBI H03 0305
      Serial number: 00000000000000
      Coding: 270F00
      Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
      ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW36.rod
      VCID: 3C7D57B40603

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD HW: 1K0 907 951
      Component: J533 Gateway H07 0112
      Revision: H07 01 Serial number: 150210F2000498
      Coding: E9817F07500612000002
      Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
      VCID: 69D3DEE03911

      No fault code found.

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      Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels: None
      Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 C HW: 7P6 035 730 C
      Component: TELEFON H05 0440
      Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007668146200
      Coding: 0A00000000010100
      Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
      ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01007
      ROD: UHVNA_VW36.rod
      VCID: 3261798CD447

      No fault code found.

    15. 09-16-2010 08:34 PM #120
      Does that LG env 3 gary have a querty keyboard? I may try one out
      thnks

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      09-16-2010 08:41 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by marsbars View Post
      Does that LG env 3 gary have a querty keyboard? I may try one out
      thnks
      no but it does have a qwerty keyboard

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      09-17-2010 07:31 AM #122
      I have been using my old moto razr v3i these days while I wait for my new iphone on order.

      Noticed two things:

      1) No battery life indicator (no big deal)

      2) Bluetooth is simple duplex only... kinda annoying and I am 98% sure it was full duplex on my old iphone 3G. It means a chronic interrupter like me has to make superhuman efforts to let people finish their sentences before speaking or the sound cuts off!!!

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      09-17-2010 08:07 AM #123
      How much did you pay for that 9w7 from euronavsolutions?

    19. 09-21-2010 06:17 PM #124
      Is anybody within an hour of the Philadelphia area that would vag com the 9w7 for me to allow steering wheel functionality for voice command. I have the codes and pictorial from my turbo diesel's site.
      Glad to buy you lunch. I would be glad to come to your house or wherever. Thanks!

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      09-22-2010 01:26 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by marsbars View Post
      ... Is anybody within an hour of the Philadelphia area that would vag-com the 9w7 for me to allow steering wheel functionality for voice command...
      Just to be very clear, the 9W7 does not get re-coded. It is the steering wheel control module (module address -16) that is already in the car which must be re-coded to allow the microphone button on the steering wheel to activate the voice command feature...

      (from the Ross-Tech site http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...Steering_Wheel )

      The following table applies to Steering Wheel Control Modules (SWCM) with Software Version 0110 or higher. You can determine the software version of the module using the Ross-Tech VCDS (VAG-Com).
      • 0?xxxxx: Driver-Assistance-Systems
        • 0 = Driver-Assistance-Systems not installed
        • 0 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active w/o Button
        • 1 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive w/o Button
        • 2 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active with Button
        • 3 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive with Button

      • 0x?xxxx: Vehicle Type
        • 0 = Normal
        • 1 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Steer. Column. Contr. Mod. as Master)
        • 2 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Multi-Function Contr. Mod. as Master)

      • 0xx?xxx: Transmission
        • 0 = Manual Transmission
        • 1 = Automatic Transmission

      • 0xxx?xx: Multi-Function Steering Wheel
        • 0 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel not installed
        • 5 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o Tiptronic and w/o Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
        • 6 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with Tiptronic and w/o Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
        • 7 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o DSG/Tiptronic Paddles and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) (microphone button) installed
        • 8 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with DSG/Tiptronic Paddles and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) (microphone button) installed

      • 0xxxx?x: Cruise Control System (CCS) and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
        • 0 = Cruise Control System (CCS) not installed
        • 1 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
        • 2 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
        • 3 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 4 Positions via Blinker Stallk installed
        • 4 = Cruise Control System (CCS) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
        • 5 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed

      • 0xxxxx?: Rear Wiper and Board Computer
        • 1 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
        • 2 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
        • 3 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed
        • 4 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed

      Last edited by Mr.Timewise; 10-11-2010 at 12:10 PM.
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    21. 09-30-2010 08:49 AM #126
      Yes I know and will probably ask my vw shop to code it while inspecting my car but anyone near philly that can help would be much appreciated!

    22. 10-10-2010 02:48 AM #127
      I'm newby to this forum, I have a 2010 Golf GTI with MFD+ and RNS510 Navi with no BT module fitted,
      My MFSW Has the PTT activated but the Phone button not active, I want to Retrofit a 9W7 BT module and
      Activate the phone button on the MFSW, can somebody from this forum advise me on how to process this,
      Hardware wise and installation, I appreciate your help.

    23. 10-13-2010 09:32 PM #128
      Hey guys I am new to this forum,

      I am pursuing a class action for us all to be reimbursed the cost of the 9w7 on 2010 VW JSW. Wanted to know if there is anyone in the So.Cal LA Area willing to join me. I will file all the paperwork and retain the lawyers. I honestly believe VW needs to do the right thing by providing voice control. I purchased the NAV system option just for that reason only to find out when the car was delivered 4 months later it did not work.

      Please email or Pm me if you would like to be reimbursed or get the voice control you were promised.

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      10-13-2010 09:33 PM #129
      JSW only ? no love for the Golf or GTI ?

    25. 10-13-2010 09:41 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by 71sbeetle View Post
      JSW only ? no love for the Golf or GTI ?
      I know you were just kidding :-P but I will try to answer it anyway.

      JSW was promised voice control in the advertisements for 2010, I am sure they will try to include as many 2010 VW models as possible. If this interests you and you thought you were getting "BT with Voice control” 2010 golf send me your email and I will include you in the complaint.

      This claim I am making is for the greater good. I get nothing out of it except perhaps a reimbursement for the 9w7 replacement.

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      10-13-2010 10:15 PM #131
      no actually I wasn't kidding, I didn't know the JSW was advertised with voice control, I don't think the Golf was so I guess I am SOL

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      11-20-2010 01:42 PM #132
      This is a very helpful thread, but my 09 CC VR6 was factory installed with Volk-L BT. I have the RNS-510 system, but am dissapointed with the Bluetooth I have. I'd also really like to have streaming BT audio for Pandora through my iPhone. 9w7 seems like my answer.

      Is an upgrade from Volk-L to 9w7 possible? I have no BT module under my passenger seat. I need enough detail to take to an installer. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Has anyone done this upgrade?

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      Hello all I am having a problem with my 9W7 The text to speech is in Spanish and when I vagcom the 2010 Jetta TDI I get:
      Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels: None
      Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 C HW: 7P6 035 730 C
      Component: TELEFON H05 0440
      Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007668335323
      Coding: 0A00000000010100
      Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
      ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01007
      ROD: UHVNA_VW36.rod
      VCID: 3245D6FAD45D

      2 Faults Found:
      9457427 - Negative output audio channel for speech/telephone
      B104F 13 [009] - Open Circuit
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 00000001
      Fault Priority: 4
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 65
      Mileage: 12534 km
      Date: 2010.14.14
      Time: 00:51:03

      9458195 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone
      B1052 13 [009] - Open Circuit
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 00000001
      Fault Priority: 4
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 65
      Mileage: 12534 km
      Date: 2010.14.14
      Time: 00:51:03


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      Can this be fixed or is this another brick that I purchased off of FLEA BAY?

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      11-20-2010 04:17 PM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by bigshaft View Post
      Hello all I am having a problem with my 9W7 The text to speech is in Spanish ...Can this be fixed or is this another brick that I purchased off of FLEA BAY?
      From what I understand, the language setting is actually stored in the instrument cluster and can be changed by using the adaptation function (not coding) in the cluster (not the BT module). I haven't tried it myself, but I would suggest starting there. You may need to restart the car for changes to take effect.

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      11-20-2010 05:37 PM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by WCBB View Post
      This is a very helpful thread, but my 09 CC VR6 was factory installed with Volk-L BT. I have the RNS-510 system, but am dissapointed with the Bluetooth I have. I'd also really like to have streaming BT audio for Pandora through my iPhone. 9w7 seems like my answer.

      Is an upgrade from Volk-L to 9w7 possible? I have no BT module under my passenger seat. I need enough detail to take to an installer. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Has anyone done this upgrade?
      AFAIK Volk-L was never factory installed. It is either a port or dealer installed option. The module is wherever the installer put it...somewhere in the dash, under the radio, near the glove box, maybe. You'll need to remove the nav unit (no too hard) to figure out exactly where it is.

      I do know that the Volk-L unit is plug-compatible with the other BT modules, but I don't know if it is 100% pin-compatible. In other words, a 9W7 module uses the same harness connector as a Volk-L module, but I don't know if the wires in the connectors are exactly the same. I would think they are, but I can't guarantee it.

      Also, the 9W7 module is more than twice as big as the Volk-L module, so squeezing it somewhere in the dash is up to the installer, too.

      All that said, you should be able to get BT audio through the Volk-L module with an RNS-510. The Volk-L module has the same features as the 9W2 module, and that module supports A2DP. I would bet that you could enable it by re-coding the module and/or the radio.

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      11-20-2010 10:37 PM #136
      I had the Volk-L on my Passat Wagon for a couple of days and upgraded to 9W3 keeping the same harness so that shouldn't be a problem.

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      11-21-2010 06:59 AM #137
      To anyone that has paired a second phone, I wondered if it is possible to see the phonebook from a previously paired phone to get a phone number not on the currently paired phone. I thought that might help me call one of my son's friends or my wife's friends if their phones had been previously paired and their phonebooks were previously downloaded. I have a feeling the answer will be no and the phonebooks are only available when the phones are paired, but I thought it was an interesting question.
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      11-21-2010 11:18 AM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by ksing44 View Post
      To anyone that has paired a second phone, I wondered if it is possible to see the phonebook from a previously paired phone to get a phone number not on the currently paired phone. I thought that might help me call one of my son's friends or my wife's friends if their phones had been previously paired and their phonebooks were previously downloaded. I have a feeling the answer will be no and the phonebooks are only available when the phones are paired, but I thought it was an interesting question.
      My phone is so old that it won't even load the phonebook.

      I do know that it cannot remember a number that it has previously dialed after the car has been shut off, so I'm thinking that the memory is limited.
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      11-21-2010 12:49 PM #139
      Quote Originally Posted by ksing44 View Post
      To anyone that has paired a second phone, I wondered if it is possible to see the phonebook from a previously paired phone to get a phone number not on the currently paired phone. I thought that might help me call one of my son's friends or my wife's friends if their phones had been previously paired and their phonebooks were previously downloaded. I have a feeling the answer will be no and the phonebooks are only available when the phones are paired, but I thought it was an interesting question.
      From my observations since I upgraded to the 9w7:

      The 9w7 only shows the phone book from the currently paired phone. However, the 9w7 probably stores those phone books in its memory since you can resync and update it via the MFD phone menu. You just can't recall a different PB if it doesn't belong to the currently paired phone. I haven't looked around vcds to see if this is programmable or not.

      @ sfpegasus - you're right. The 9w7 basically represents your phone's BT capability.

      You can also look at the "call history" to see who you called or who has called you. However, this is a function of the phone rather than the 9w7. What I mean is that the 9w7 displays the recent calls that are kept in the memory of your phone or whatever your phone is sending to the 9w7.

      An example is that I made and got a number of calls while not paired with the 9w7 but when I got into the car, it showed those numbers in the history.

    35. Semi-n00b
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      11-22-2010 11:03 AM #140
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisM View Post
      AFAIK Volk-L was never factory installed. It is either a port or dealer installed option. The module is wherever the installer put it...somewhere in the dash, under the radio, near the glove box, maybe. You'll need to remove the nav unit (no too hard) to figure out exactly where it is.

      I do know that the Volk-L unit is plug-compatible with the other BT modules, but I don't know if it is 100% pin-compatible. In other words, a 9W7 module uses the same harness connector as a Volk-L module, but I don't know if the wires in the connectors are exactly the same. I would think they are, but I can't guarantee it.

      Also, the 9W7 module is more than twice as big as the Volk-L module, so squeezing it somewhere in the dash is up to the installer, too.

      All that said, you should be able to get BT audio through the Volk-L module with an RNS-510. The Volk-L module has the same features as the 9W2 module, and that module supports A2DP. I would bet that you could enable it by re-coding the module and/or the radio.
      Thanks for the info. I guess the thing that threw me is that the BlueTooth is listed directly on my window sticker (and not as a dealer "add-in")

      I will research having the Volk-L replaced. I cannot get the A2DP to work with my iPhone and reading other threads it seems to be a common problem.

      Thanks again

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