Do some searching on the APR web sight. The have an early A3 running a Stage III on the 2.0T with DSG, and are currently driving the crap out of it to get it to fail, and haven't made it go yet. VW may have learned the lessons with mad mechatronic units and recalls, and built the DSGs a little more robustly with the MK VI evolution of the transmission.
Manual appears to be winning and I concur.
An m3 driver I know has software for his trans that will always keep him in the higest rev's possible/autodownshift perfectly, is there an option for this or mod for dsg? It destroys the track.
I think you really have to drive the car and see how it feels with both transmissions. It is more tricky to drive a turbo car with a manual than a NA car, the engine is just not as responsive. I enjoy the DSG it is great and I had an 04 .:R. If we do end up seeing the new .:R, than I will make my decision.
Guys - the DSG has gears, clutches, throttle blips on the downshift, and record setting nano-second upshifts. Unless you are more accurate with the gear shift placement, clutch awareness, launch control, and heal/toe throttle management, and nano-second gear changes = the DSG wins. This may be hard for the traditionalists out there but DSG does gear changing faster and better than we do.
Guess you've never driven a DSG car in traffic I take it? Or even at all for that manner. DSG only does one thing well, upshifting. Launch control, downshifts, reverse, and slow speeds DSG ain't what it's cracked up to be.This may be hard for the traditionalists out there but DSG does gear changing faster and better than we do.
If I'm going to spend $35K or whatever on a performance car, I damn sure want to enjoy driving it.
No doubt there will someday be an android programmed with the ability to satisfy a woman better than humanly possible. Would I want to delegate all of my lovemaking to that android? I think not.
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agreed, just because a DSG is "faster" doesn't mean thats the choice for many. Manual transmission is fun, and engaging. I wouldn't drive a car that wasn't, and none of the 10 cars i've owned have been anything BUT manual.
Performance car or not, manual transmission is just the way to go for drive engagement.
All the anti-DSG folk better just step away from their computers and rely on carrier pigeons for communication. I mean, it's more fun to see the birds fly away with your message than just sending an email with one click -- who cares about efficiency!
Amazing how these people will allow electronics to rule in ALL other aspects of their lives, but ohh noes... keep that bad DSG away from me 'cause I like to show what a man I am by vigorously groping a knob.
Not so, as DSG will encourage you to text more since you'll constantly have a free hand and can be less attentive to what the car is doing. With a manual you'll have to actually drive the car instead. Best get a manual for your own safety.I am prone to text while driving so I guess I will be safer with the DSG.
As pensive.d says, some things are still better when done for yourself........
I have a company demo that is a DSG, and my personal car is a manual. Whenever they allow, I take a manual demo, but sadly they don't often allow it. And I often take my personal car instead of my company car just to drive the manual, traffic or not. And I am old too, so it's not like I want a manual because I am a kid.
I just never buy autos unless I have need of a car that doesn't offer one. I always choose a manual. And I definitely will not buy the Golf R if I can't get a manual, it just defeats the purpose of buying this car to me, no matter how much I want one. We all have our needs in a car.
I've spent 35 years working on my gear-shifting technique, and I've gotten pretty good at it. Doing anything really well can be very satisfying, but some of that satisfaction is missing when I drive my GTI. I want it back, so I won’t be keeping the GTI much longer.
Like you, if I can’t get a Golf R with a fully manual transmission, I won’t buy one at all. I’ll probably have to get some sort of BMW or a WRX instead, which is sad, because I really like VWs.
All these people with their smug “you’re an idiot because you don’t agree with my point of view” attitudes just make me sad. There’s room for more than one preference. The Golf R is offered with a choice of transmissions in Europe. I just hope we are given the same choice if VWoA ever gets off its collective ass and offers the R for sale here.
I still stand by my position that knob gropers (I used to be one!) need to turn off their Internet access right now -- Ted Kazynski would have been proud to call you anti-technology traditionalists his friend. Anyway, I'll have fun blasting off the line in my DSG R while you miss second gear completely in your quest for excitement!
Now, get off my lawn you kids!
Now for all of the manual is more fun blah blah. A mechanic who worked for my dad years ago (more than I want to admit) when I turned 16 said "You'll get over than manual only thing once you get into girls and have something better to do with that free hand....". But to each his own.
I agree; it is a silly debate. The better debate would be 2dr vs. 4dr. The two door proponents just aren't getting it. Two doors are for rear drive, rear engine sports cars and the usefulness of 4 doors over 2 is significant. What a 4 dr R would be is a souped up, elegant, grocery-getter that can hang with the Porsche crowd at track day. The moment you take it down to 2 doors you are deluding yourself into thinking you have a sports car and, more importantly, the grocery-getter concept goes by the wayside. Wouldn't you just love to see the look of the Porsche weekend warrior douche driver as he gets passed by a grocery-getter (well, Stage III grocery-getter ).