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    View Poll Results: Which one is right for you?

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    Thread: DSG or Manual? Vote!

    1. Member 2 liter weedeater T's Avatar
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      Man I just got a chub

    2. 07-29-2010 01:04 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by ccoops View Post
      Hey Panman,

      UG with black 19's will be awesome, that was my second option. The UG looks fantastic in the flesh, photos do not do it justice. Can you reflect some more for me on your views / experiences with the DSG v Manual, as i said i have test driven both but only for a short while so it would be great to hear more about each from you point of view especially since you have been in the R32 manual for some time, cheers
      I'll be completely honest and say that I don't have enough seat time in DSG cars to be totally comfortable with the "human mechanics" - that is my interaction with DSG, I still found my timing off as opposed to where I would shift in a manual which is more a technique thing than anything else.

      I have a 12K each way daily commute in some of Brisbane's heaviest traffic and still don't find the manual much of a problem in the R32, and even in my frequent Sydney driving it's not unbearable (clutch to stick weighting is quite good in the R32 and I would expect it to be the same in the R - this makes a huge difference in how bearable a manual is in traffic to my mind).

      The power delivery characteristics of the R32 in my mind are more suited to a manual than those of the R where the DSG seems to keep the hairdryer blowing. Certainly the R doesn't have the off-boost problems of my earlier STIs and Evos, more like a later WRX in it's delivery which to my mind makes it a good candidate for DSG.

      Apart from the niggling concerns over DSG reliability and longevity I'm about 80% on DSG - for the R. Assuming that I can get enough drive time in a DSG to feel 100% comfortable that I can adapt to it.

      Launch control was kind of cool for the very few times I would actually use it (hillclimbs come to mind) but on the road, I'm not a traffic light dragster.

    3. 07-29-2010 05:41 AM #28
      Having driven both, DSG all the way. It's suits the car much, much better. The manual itself is not very good either - quiet notchy and the clutch can be abrupt.

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      07-29-2010 01:48 PM #29
      the DSG is the reason the 08s sat around for well over a 18 months



      Sorry Andres

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      07-29-2010 01:51 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by quailallstar View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 liter weedeater T View Post


      Man I just got a chub
      HAHA I have this shifter sitting in a box & waiting to be installed some day on my future Golf TDI Fresh from Germany's Golf GTD model. Pure sexo!
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    6. 07-29-2010 10:08 PM #31
      It all boils down to how much you enjoy using a manual transmission. I like it so much that I don't like driving my DSG MKV GTI nearly as much as my old MKIV R32 or 20th AE GTI, even though it's a better car. Sure, the DSG is efficient, and it's nice in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the freeway, but IT'S JUST NOT AS MUCH FUN!!!

    7. 07-30-2010 06:21 AM #32
      If i'm not mistaken...Manual transmission would still be expensive...when your clutch goes out.

      I heard $600 for clutch replacement service??

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      07-30-2010 06:56 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum6 View Post
      If i'm not mistaken...Manual transmission would still be expensive...when your clutch goes out.

      I heard $600 for clutch replacement service??
      That's not bad at all when you consider the clutch can last well over 100,000 miles.

    9. 07-30-2010 07:33 AM #34
      Had '06 with DSG, have '09 Mini Cooper S with a manual now. Love the stick in the Mini, but I want DSG in a new R.

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      07-30-2010 09:40 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum6 View Post
      If i'm not mistaken...Manual transmission would still be expensive...when your clutch goes out.

      I heard $600 for clutch replacement service??
      DSG service (replace oil filter and flush out unit) is in the high $400.00's and that needs to be done at 40,000 miles

      Quote Originally Posted by UncannySkill View Post
      That's not bad at all when you consider the clutch can last well over 100,000 miles.
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    11. 07-30-2010 10:35 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by UncannySkill View Post
      That's not bad at all when you consider the clutch can last well over 100,000 miles.

      they go way earlier,apparently, with added horsepower but ez to replace with a sachs. Mods with dsg you are running on faith cuz you cant just replace the clutches cheaply, that said dsg and stage 1 or 2 might be in my future

    12. 07-30-2010 12:08 PM #37
      Do some searching on the APR web sight. The have an early A3 running a Stage III on the 2.0T with DSG, and are currently driving the crap out of it to get it to fail, and haven't made it go yet. VW may have learned the lessons with mad mechatronic units and recalls, and built the DSGs a little more robustly with the MK VI evolution of the transmission.

    13. 07-30-2010 02:12 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Pathfinder2041 View Post
      Do some searching on the APR web sight.
      yea on the APR website, i'm not sure that's the best place to get unbiased info, no offense to apr. But you might be right as i havent read about anything evil beyond the mechatronich stuff. I certainly would not do too many hard take offs with 350 hp because 10k is a bunch to spend on a new tranny

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      07-31-2010 02:41 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by mookieblaylock View Post
      yea on the APR website, i'm not sure that's the best place to get unbiased info, no offense to apr. But you might be right as i havent read about anything evil beyond the mechatronich stuff. I certainly would not do too many hard take offs with 350 hp because 10k is a bunch to spend on a new tranny
      Unless you shift like an ape your only going to wear the clutch, plus if you start easy then nail it with easy shifts your all good. The original clutch on my 77 zed holds great.

      Manual appears to be winning and I concur.

      An m3 driver I know has software for his trans that will always keep him in the higest rev's possible/autodownshift perfectly, is there an option for this or mod for dsg? It destroys the track.

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      08-02-2010 12:38 AM #40
      Three pedals please...

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      08-04-2010 11:05 PM #41
      I think you really have to drive the car and see how it feels with both transmissions. It is more tricky to drive a turbo car with a manual than a NA car, the engine is just not as responsive. I enjoy the DSG it is great and I had an 04 .:R. If we do end up seeing the new .:R, than I will make my decision.

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      08-05-2010 02:06 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Tr0p1c_6er View Post
      Three pedals please...
      ++++++++++

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      08-05-2010 10:48 AM #43
      I love manuals and that's what i've driven all my life. However, I voted DSG cause it seems its what suits the R better. However I would test drive both and decide.

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      08-15-2010 11:23 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum6 View Post
      If i'm not mistaken...Manual transmission would still be expensive...when your clutch goes out.

      I heard $600 for clutch replacement service??
      Worse yet, miss a gearshift - get hung up in neutral and over rev the engine = damaging the engine and possibly a transmission rebuild.

      Guys - the DSG has gears, clutches, throttle blips on the downshift, and record setting nano-second upshifts. Unless you are more accurate with the gear shift placement, clutch awareness, launch control, and heal/toe throttle management, and nano-second gear changes = the DSG wins. This may be hard for the traditionalists out there but DSG does gear changing faster and better than we do.

    20. 08-16-2010 12:55 AM #45
      This may be hard for the traditionalists out there but DSG does gear changing faster and better than we do.
      Guess you've never driven a DSG car in traffic I take it? Or even at all for that manner. DSG only does one thing well, upshifting. Launch control, downshifts, reverse, and slow speeds DSG ain't what it's cracked up to be.

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      08-16-2010 04:00 PM #46
      Manual. If I want to push buttons I'll play a video game.

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      08-16-2010 05:08 PM #47
      DSG because it's faster and more convenient.

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      08-16-2010 08:00 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by B5Speedo View Post
      Manual. If I want to push buttons I'll play a video game.
      +++++++

      DSG? Just mod the steering wheel to a PS3 controller.

    24. 08-17-2010 03:34 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by CSlowR32 View Post
      This may be hard for the traditionalists out there but DSG does gear changing faster and better than we do.
      Don't roll your eyes at me mister. Faster and better isn't even the point. The point is this: DSG JUST ISN'T AS MUCH FUN.

      If I'm going to spend $35K or whatever on a performance car, I damn sure want to enjoy driving it.

      No doubt there will someday be an android programmed with the ability to satisfy a woman better than humanly possible. Would I want to delegate all of my lovemaking to that android? I think not.

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      08-17-2010 03:36 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by pensive.d View Post
      Don't roll your eyes at me mister. Faster and better isn't even the point. The point is this: DSG JUST ISN'T AS MUCH FUN.

      If I'm going to spend $35K or whatever on a performance car, I damn sure want to enjoy driving it.

      No doubt there will someday be an android programmed with the ability to satisfy a woman better than humanly possible. Would I want to delegate all of my lovemaking to that android? I think not.
      I vote this as reply of the year! Well said sir

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