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      08-05-2010 01:04 PM #26
      The dirt covered interior and engine bay seems to suggest this car was submerged in water at some point... maybe explains why the engine is missing.

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      08-05-2010 01:12 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by svantevid View Post

      you have to be careful, all of this early cars with 1.9 sdi have a problem with the reverse gear (so i heard, correct me if i'm wrong), the gear itself is supposed to be to weak.
      Mmm reverse gear is totally missing
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      6KV Good luck with it though..

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      08-05-2010 09:46 PM #29
      are you certain this particular one is worth fixing?

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      08-05-2010 09:54 PM #30
      HOW, exactly, this car became so beaten up is what I'd like to know...

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      08-05-2010 10:20 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by c0mmon View Post
      are you certain this particular one is worth fixing?
      It's hard to find a better one in the USA

      Quote Originally Posted by HerrGolf View Post
      HOW, exactly, this car became so beaten up is what I'd like to know...
      I don't think it takes much imagination. Winter average high temps are -20'c, it's inside the arctic circle, there's no garages, there are regular storms that requires all personel to remain indoors unless there's a war going on, and there can be 160mph winds, in fact, the world record for low level wind speeds was held here (207mph). I'm surprised the car's in such good shape, considering it was government vehicle subjected to 24 hours of sun per day in the summer months - and I bet it never saw wax.
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      08-06-2010 11:07 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by the brit View Post
      Definately a good question. Happy to report that it's all taken care of already. I was not going to put any money into the vehicle until it was all sorted out.
      How was it taken care of?
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      08-06-2010 11:50 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by c0mmon View Post
      are you certain this particular one is worth fixing?
      its a project that is unique (not that that actually matters) and that the OP is is excited about (that is what actually matters), who cares if it is "worth fixing".

      If people only spent time on stuff that was "worth fixing" we would see alot fewer interesting older cars on the roads today. Hell two of my cars are not "worth fixing" but I've put all kinds of time and money into them because I enjoy the process and I'm not building them for anyone but myself.
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      08-06-2010 05:14 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by rs4-380 View Post
      its a project that is unique (not that that actually matters) and that the OP is is excited about (that is what actually matters), who cares if it is "worth fixing".

      If people only spent time on stuff that was "worth fixing" we would see alot fewer interesting older cars on the roads today. Hell two of my cars are not "worth fixing" but I've put all kinds of time and money into them because I enjoy the process and I'm not building them for anyone but myself.


      cool project, jamie

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      08-19-2010 02:59 PM #35
      Here's the last week of work, squeezed in when I've had some spare time.

      Obviously, the dirt in the engine bay has been power washed away. My driveway's got a nice coating of grey Greenland mud on it now. After that, the 110v external power wiring was removed and I got a chance to inspect some more of the engine bay. It's a hydro clutch setup, which is great for me as it saves me hassle of installing that stuff if it had a clutch cable.

      There's lots of stuff missing, or half installed. The rear engine subframe is hanging on by 2 bolts, and the steering knuckle unclips at will. A lot of the suspension bolts are hand tight too. I suspect that when someone was trying to remove the engine they though dropped the rear might have been easiest, and then changed their plan half way through. Well, it's all simple stuff to sort out for me - at least the subframes still on, so it rolls and I have less parts to track down.

      In my stash of parts that just arrived, I got the drivers door cleaning up and the mirror installed. Unfortunately, it's a slightly earlier style mirror so although it works fine it's not the right shape cover. I'll have to track down a late model but non-power one later - it doesn't seem like a very popular option though.

      I removed the front end, and replaced the missing bolts on the steering rack and rear subframe:



      and at the same time, took a further look at what's left of the wiring in the engine bay. All of the engine wiring has been cut, as have the battery terminals etc. I have got replacement terminals, but wanted to double check my diagrams and test that I can remove the diesel +12v feeds that supplied the glowplugs etc.



      So, for the first time in a long time the car got power. Lower mileage than I expected:



      I've brought a few of the missing parts over from Europe for the car. The missing drivers side taillight was bolted on the moment I got it here, to close that big hole in the body, but today I mounted up the rear bumper.

      How the car came, with newly installed light:



      Power washed some of the worst of the mud off the bottom. I got to discover that the bottom of the car smells like a fish mongers, or the Jersey Shore. Lovely.



      Replacement bumper from a matching red Seat Cordoba Variant. I know (hoped?) they were interchangable, but I still haven't cross referenced the part numbers to see if they're identical. Either way, it's a bumper!



      Re-glued the foam to the re-bar:



      Fitted. Still need to find the correct hardware to bolt it up fully, and to screw it onto the diffuser:



      It's a used OEM bumper, so the scratches match the rest of the car nicely




      I've also been slowly thinking about the engine that's going to be swapped in. It's a 1.8T 20v AEB from a early B5 passat (Nevar Lose except for Sludging version). Several things need to switched from the longitudinal setup to a transverse setup. The oil filter housing has been traded with a VW Fox owner for a ABA setup. The open hole on top needs to be tapped to M12x1.5 to use the turbo oil feed fitting. The hole with the socket in it will be used for the oil pressure switch, and is already the correct thread size.




      And in the spirit of cross-referencing, I'm going to be doing a lot of it instead of just buying everything off the shelf in Europe. It's mainly the engine bay, so here's what i've found already:

      ABS hubs are mk3 Jetta/Golf. I'm going to put new ones on when I do the front bearings:



      Control arms are mk2 Golf/Jetta:



      Engine mount bracket is mk3 Golf/Jetta:



      Engine mount itself is a mk3 Golf/Jetta. Need to decide if I want to run stock, or give Black Forest a call for something upgrade:



      Front engine mount bracket, mk3 Golf/Jetta.



      Front engine mount, mk3 Golf/Jetta.



      Trans mount and bracket.. following a theme here, is mk3 Golf/Jetta:




      Fan shroud/setup. This had me worried, but it turns out that a B3 Passat is the same thing. That means that a mk2/3/Corrado should all work, with minor trimming or modification.



      I have a set of mk2/3 Golf/Jetta coilovers sitting around in case they fit.. The fronts are the same, which is great. The rears say they are specific to the Polo, but I just don't believe it. Maybe the length of the housing is Polo specific, but I going to be they all mount up the same and with the adjustability I should be able to overcome the height difference. We'll see how the weight of the polo does against the heavier mk3 though - I bet there's little difference in the rear though.



      That's your update for now.
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      08-19-2010 03:08 PM #36
      cool thread

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      08-19-2010 03:25 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by the brit View Post
      Absolutely. From what I've read, -30'C is not uncommon, so I suspect that when the engine wasn't running, it HAD to be plugged in. I wouldn't be surprised if it had several heaters, hence the distribution point.
      That's not uncommon here in Calgary during the winter. It will get like that for a week at a time. I don't even want to try to imagine how cold it gets that far north of the arctic circle.

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      08-19-2010 04:13 PM #38

      its funny how the scrape on the body matches the bumper, it was ment to be!

    14. 08-19-2010 04:23 PM #39
      going to be watching the progress for this

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      08-19-2010 05:01 PM #40
      Love the project and it's uniqueness. I'd much rather read this than one of the umpteen-million "I (common modification) my (common off-the-shelf passenger car/truck) and now it's got more/less/better/worse (characteristic)" threads.
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      08-19-2010 05:38 PM #41
      NON-PROJECT INFORMATION. Background about driving cars in Thule, and the weather, from a guide for Military Personnel.

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      SAFE VEHICLE OPERATIONS:
      BLINDING SPRING
      As the sun begins its transition from the dark season, it is low on the horizon. Glare from snow, reflection off other vehicles, and direct light can be blinding. If this happens, STOP IMMEDIATELY!!!! Keep a pair of dark sunglasses with you at all times during this period and all through the light season. Put them on and wait for your vision to return to normal. Also, the reflection from headlights off ice and snow in the dark season can be a similar hazard.

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      SUMMER FOG
      When the temperatures change dramatically in the summer (and it does), fog develops over North Star Bay and will move into the Thule AB Valley. This fog can be so dense as to obscure the entire roadway. Should this happen to you, STOP! Pull to the edge of the road only if you can do so safely. Leave the motor running, with the headlights and emergency flashers on. Do not attempt to leave the vehicle, as you could be struck by another vehicle whose driver cannot see you. Wait until the fog has lifted enough for you to safely operate your vehicle to your destination.

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      Here at Thule you are dressed properly for the cold and go from a warm building to a warm vehicle (the majority of newcomers use the base taxi) to a warm building. When the weather is too harsh (i.e. blizzard, unpassable roads, etc.) you are required to stay in your quarters. (Mother Nature has her own schedule of ―three day weekends" for us.) There are periods during the summer months that you will actually see people walking outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts! There are other days when only a windbreaker may be needed. Temperatures at Thule range from minus 30 to plus 50 degrees Fahrenheit. It has reached a high of 68 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer and has dropped to minus 47 degrees Fahrenheit in the winter. Winds of 30 to 100 knots are common during arctic winters.


      For three months, beginning in late November, the sun is below the horizon, gradually Ieading from twilight to 24 hours of darkness. When the sun returns in late February you gain 20-40 minutes of daylight per day until late April when it remains above the horizon for 24 hours a day for nearly four months. The summer sun is very bright and dark sunglasses are recommended. In mid August you will witness the first sunset since April, and from that point on you receive 20 to 40 more minutes of darkness per day until November when again you have 24 hours of darkness with the darkest and shortest day of the year being December 21st. In the late spring, most of the snow from the shore of North Star Bay to the edge of the ice cap usually disappears as moisture is absorbed directly into the air. Tundra, base rock, and a thin layer of powdery dust remain. This marks the beginning of Thule’s mud season.

      During the winter season (Sep 15 - May 14) the high winds blow off the ice cap and cause a local weather phenomenon known as "storm conditions." These storms are a deadly combination of wind, snow, and sub-zero temperatures. A storm begins when a low pressure area west of Thule over Baffin Bay causes surface winds to blow off the ice cap from the southeast. The wind is channeled into the valley where Thule is located. The valley amplifies the wind, and it increases in velocity. The loose snow is picked up by the high winds and can severely restrict visibility. You will notice a change in storm conditions from "storm Normal" to "storm Delta" caused by the high winds. During a storm in March 1972 the anemometer on a storm shelter (Phase Shack #7) recorded the 2nd highest wind velocity ever on earth: 207 mph

      Arctic winter storms are divided into these classifications: Storm Normal, Storm Alpha, Storm Bravo, Storm Charlie, and Storm Delta.

      Storm Delta represents the most serious threat to life and property. Two factors (visibility and temperature) are assessed to determine the applicable storm conditions. When any two of these three factors are present, the appropriate storm condition is declared.

      • Storm Condition Normal - Business as usual.

      • Storm Condition Alpha - Initial warning of a potential Arctic winter storm. No danger exists at this point; however, all personnel should prepare for Storm Conditions.

      • Storm Condition Bravo - All pedestrian traffic will use the buddy system (two or more people traveling together). All personnel must stay on approved roads. If you are traveling alone in a vehicle, it must have a comm radio or use the buddy system.

      • Storm Condition Charlie - All non-essential base facilities close. Return to quarters. Pedestrian traffic is prohibited. Call the base taxi or use the base shuttle bus service if dedicated vehicles are not available.

      • Storm Condition Delta - All personnel are restricted to the buildings in which they are located at the time a Storm Delta is declared. Absolutely no pedestrian or vehicular travel is permitted. Only emergency vehicles will operate during this condition and only at the direction of the Base Commander.

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      08-19-2010 05:42 PM #42
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      08-19-2010 11:32 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      The dirt covered interior and engine bay seems to suggest this car was submerged in water at some point... maybe explains why the engine is missing.

      i was just thinking this.

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      08-20-2010 03:37 PM #45
      Got a little time today, while on the phone

      Cleaned and bolted up the front engine mount subframe. It's from a VW Caddy (Polo based light van) with a diesel engine, so it's the same one that I needed. It's the same style as a mk2/3 Golf/Jetta, but slightly narrower. In fact, I'd tried bolting up a Golf one before checking the part numbers but it was about 1" wider, and before i was able to get the Caddy one I was having bad thoughts about having to cut down and weld the wider Golf one to work. Anyway, problem solved, bolted right up with no problems.



      Also washed down the engine bay a little further. With the sun shining on the wax that was retaining a lot of mud on the car, it was easy enough to scrape a lot of it off. It's a bit cleaner, but has a good bit more to go.

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      08-20-2010 04:17 PM #46
      Awesome thread, and the identical scrape on the bumper is too funny
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      08-20-2010 06:36 PM #47
      Nice looking project and unique to this side of the pond. Should be fun.

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      08-20-2010 07:53 PM #48
      Can't wait to see the progress.
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      08-20-2010 08:03 PM #49
      Awesome thread, keep up the great work, can't wait for more updates.

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      08-20-2010 10:18 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by the brit View Post
      I've also been slowly thinking about the engine that's going to be swapped in. It's a 1.8T 20v AEB from a early B5 passat (Nevar Lose except for Sludging version). Several things need to switched from the longitudinal setup to a transverse setup. The oil filter housing has been traded with a VW Fox owner for a ABA setup. The open hole on top needs to be tapped to M12x1.5 to use the turbo oil feed fitting. The hole with the socket in it will be used for the oil pressure switch, and is already the correct thread size.
      Good choice on the AEB. It's definitely the simpler 1.8t out there. Make sure you get a big bore transversal intake manifold to match the AEB head. I got mine in the classifieds from an AGU engine.
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