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      Quote Originally Posted by Bengti View Post
      Not really sure because I don't know where it was stock. Right now it measures ~24 1/4" to top of arch in the front and ~24 1/2" in the rear.
      Isn't stock like 26.5"??? Not really sure... I wasn't stock ride height long at all either.
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      11-22-2010 12:16 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Aonarch View Post
      What wheel width though? A 7 and a 7.5 will not rub at all ET45.
      i would not put any wheel on that is under 8"...as far as i am concerned the only wheels people run that are that narrow are oem

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      11-22-2010 12:28 PM #38
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      plus you don't know what i call low
      What do you call low? Mike and I are newbs and know nothing.
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      11-22-2010 12:51 PM #39
      Enough talk post some pics already

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      11-22-2010 01:35 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by whitepepper View Post
      What do you call low? Mike and I are newbs and know nothing.
      i didn't mean anything like that im saying people have different opinions...your car is probably my favorite mk6...mainly b/c i miss my sb rabbit...but i was just making that point, and plus i had other things in mind when i said that...like the car not having anything done to fenders/liners, camber and other stuff like that...and meaning rubbing as any contact at any point like bumps and hard cornering

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      11-22-2010 04:35 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by whitepepper View Post
      What do you call low? Mike and I are newbs and know nothing.
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      11-22-2010 04:37 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by HASSELHOF View Post
      how low are you on your coils? are they bottomed out or do you have room to go lower? also, how did you set up your dampening adjustments? ordered some ksports a week ago, just waiting on them to be delivered.
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      11-22-2010 04:52 PM #43
      Bitchin. Thanks dude. Now i'm just trying to figure where i need to lock in the strut body threads versus the spring perches. not used to this much adjustment. hah.
      so it goes... ಠ_ಠ

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      11-22-2010 05:05 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by HASSELHOF View Post
      Bitchin. Thanks dude. Now i'm just trying to figure where i need to lock in the strut body threads versus the spring perches. not used to this much adjustment. hah.
      I know what you mean... huge PITA. Check the Coil over thread and see what members are running yours then PM them asking what they keep their threads at.
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      11-22-2010 05:18 PM #45
      I put all the shocks 2" into the bodies as per the minimum in the instructions.

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      11-22-2010 07:13 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by DRedman45 View Post
      i would not put any wheel on that is under 8"...as far as i am concerned the only wheels people run that are that narrow are oem
      That's me!!! OEM VW with 5 nice simple sturdy spokes, 17" x 7.5" ET47, almost flush in front not so much in the back. They are perfect for me!!! I love them!!! In the future I am planning to run a slightly taller 235/45/17 tire and will also likely go slightly lower too. I know it isn't much for you guys, but I really am happy with the modest but noticeable change in the stance with the wider wheels and lower offset. My stock Porto wheels were only 17" x 7" ET54.

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      11-22-2010 10:30 PM #47
      Nice choice, although not my aesthetic preference...

      But I'd be totally content to run close to stock width and offset. If I had but a few mm of offset reduction right now, I'd be a lot happier. I'm worried about impacts to handling (scrub radius mainly), aerodynamics and even more crud getting kicked onto the paint, to say nothing of rubbing and other minor effects on handling.

      Note, I'm guessing you'll probably rub a tiny bit with the 235/45R17. I am with 17x8 ET45 and same tire.

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      11-23-2010 05:07 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by RogueTDI View Post
      Nice choice, although not my aesthetic preference...

      But I'd be totally content to run close to stock width and offset. If I had but a few mm of offset reduction right now, I'd be a lot happier. I'm worried about impacts to handling (scrub radius mainly), aerodynamics and even more crud getting kicked onto the paint, to say nothing of rubbing and other minor effects on handling.

      Note, I'm guessing you'll probably rub a tiny bit with the 235/45R17. I am with 17x8 ET45 and same tire.
      Although it sounds like you have a similar set-up to my 17" x 7.5" ET47 wheels, I actually have about 4mm more clearance on the strut side and 8mm more clearance on the fender side. Anything is possible, but I really don't think I will rub, even if I go a little lower with the 235/45/17 tires. I won't be going too low anyway, just a smidge to close the gap and make it ever so slightly more firm. I can't say I am an expert on handling, but I honestly believe my car will probably be slightly improved when I am done. At least that is the goal. I'm certainly not trying to make in handle worse.
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      11-23-2010 02:08 PM #49
      Good luck. In reality, that's your wheel youre talking about. Your contact patch will still only be 2mm further inboard than mine (ET47 vs 45). The rub I'm seeing, against the upper fender liner fastener, just inside the fender, is not likely to be affected by a 2mm offset improvement. Im also getting the impression that it's in fact the increased rubber diameter that's really the problem (about 4mm more rolling radius), e.g. a small spring rate change might help.
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      11-23-2010 02:55 PM #50
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      11-23-2010 03:03 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by RogueTDI View Post
      Good luck. In reality, that's your wheel youre talking about. Your contact patch will still only be 2mm further inboard than mine (ET47 vs 45). The rub I'm seeing, against the upper fender liner fastener, just inside the fender, is not likely to be affected by a 2mm offset improvement. Im also getting the impression that it's in fact the increased rubber diameter that's really the problem (about 4mm more rolling radius), e.g. a small spring rate change might help.
      Thank you for your help and your real world experience with the tire's size. My understanding is that the final relationship between the fender and the tire is affected by both the wheel width and the offset calculation. It is true that ET47 is only 2mm inset more than ET45, but my 7.5" wheel is also 0.5" narrower than your 8" wheel. In a typical calculation to determine where the wheel and tire end up under the fender, half of the wheel width is added or subtracted from the difference in the offsets. Thus I should have 2mm + 0.25" more clearance on the fender side, which is ~ 8mm. On the strut side, I should have 0.25" - 2mm, which is ~ 4mm. It is true that 8mm isn't a ton of room on the outboard fender side, but it is 2mm more than 0.25" and hopefully enough to accommodate a tire that is only about 5mm wider on each side of the midpoint of the wheel and also 4 or 5 mm taller. The good news is that if I am close to rubbing that means my fender openings should look nice and full of big fat tires. I like big fat tires.
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      11-23-2010 03:10 PM #52
      here's a great tool for helping to visualize and see exact calculations of fitment relative to the stock setup. important to note that it is all relative to whatever you put in as spec #1. also, the calculator seems to think it knows better than you with certain tire/wheel width combinations (i believe to avoid "stretch" fitments). otherwise, it's a great general tool to get a rough idea

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      11-23-2010 04:04 PM #53
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      11-23-2010 04:06 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by ksing44 View Post
      Thank you for your help and your real world experience with the tire's size. My understanding is that the final relationship between the fender and the tire is affected by both the wheel width and the offset calculation. It is true that ET47 is only 2mm inset more than ET45, but my 7.5" wheel is also 0.5" narrower than your 8" wheel. In a typical calculation to determine where the wheel and tire end up under the fender, half of the wheel width is added or subtracted from the difference in the offsets. Thus I should have 2mm + 0.25" more clearance on the fender side, which is ~ 8mm. On the strut side, I should have 0.25" - 2mm, which is ~ 4mm. It is true that 8mm isn't a ton of room on the outboard fender side, but it is 2mm more than 0.25" and hopefully enough to accommodate a tire that is only about 5mm wider on each side of the midpoint of the wheel and also 4 or 5 mm taller. The good news is that if I am close to rubbing that means my fender openings should look nice and full of big fat tires. I like big fat tires.

      I understand.

      The wheel size calcs your doing affect tire sidewall "stretch" - offset locations of bead and sidewall profile. Also to a small extent affects rolling radius - your rolling radius might in fact be slightly larger.

      However tire tread offset will not be affected as you suggest. Remember, our wheels may have different widths, but the treads are the same width (235) and are centered on the wheel regardless of wheel width. It will be 2mm further inboard, due purely to ET. My rubbing is happening against the tread, not the sidewall.

      Again, wish you luck, but I'd bet a night of drinking you'll rub. Good news actually is the rubbing is rare, and requires heavy or full suspension compression, and even then the interference is mild, so I doubt any catastrophe will result.

      My ultimate solution is going to be to go to a mild stretch by running factory 225/45.
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      11-23-2010 04:25 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by evosky View Post
      here's a great tool for helping to visualize and see exact calculations of fitment relative to the stock setup. important to note that it is all relative to whatever you put in as spec #1. also, the calculator seems to think it knows better than you with certain tire/wheel width combinations (i believe to avoid "stretch" fitments). otherwise, it's a great general tool to get a rough idea

      http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp
      Awesome find!

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      11-23-2010 04:34 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
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      i'm torn...don't know if i like the wheels and color setup, or just one or the other...but for some reason i find my thumb doing one of these

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      11-23-2010 04:42 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by RogueTDI View Post
      I understand.

      The wheel size calcs your doing affect tire sidewall "stretch" - offset locations of bead and sidewall profile. Also to a small extent affects rolling radius - your rolling radius might in fact be slightly larger.

      However tire tread offset will not be affected as you suggest. Remember, our wheels may have different widths, but the treads are the same width (235) and are centered on the wheel regardless of wheel width. It will be 2mm further inboard, due purely to ET. My rubbing is happening against the tread, not the sidewall.

      Again, wish you luck, but I'd bet a night of drinking you'll rub. Good news actually is the rubbing is rare, and requires heavy or full suspension compression, and even then the interference is mild, so I doubt any catastrophe will result.

      My ultimate solution is going to be to go to a mild stretch by running factory 225/45.
      You know what, you are right and I am wrong!!! Thank you for showing me the light. And here I was being polite and trying to diplomatically explain what I thought I knew so well to be true, all the while I didn't have a clue. Well, I'm grateful to myself that I wasn't big jerk when I was explaining the wrong information.
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      11-23-2010 04:46 PM #58
      LOL. No worries man. It's all been a bit confusing to myself too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
      Blitz 01
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      i like this combo

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      12-08-2010 12:34 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
      Blitz 01
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      I'm glad it fits. I have 18x9.5 ET45 rears coming in the mail and wont get a chance to test fit with tires till next year.

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      01-19-2011 12:41 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by DRedman45 View Post
      i would not put any wheel on that is under 8"...as far as i am concerned the only wheels people run that are that narrow are oem
      How wide can you go before it starts to effect handling. I am not sure about you but I love throwing my GTIs into corners.
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    29. 01-19-2011 12:56 PM #64
      just looking for confirmation on this... is mk6 suspension and offset exactly the same as mk5? or are the fenders in slightly different relation to the hubs?

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      01-19-2011 01:07 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by MaxVW View Post
      just looking for confirmation on this... is mk6 suspension and offset exactly the same as mk5? or are the fenders in slightly different relation to the hubs?
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      sir how do you "max out rear camber"?

      what instrument or parts do you use?

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    32. 01-20-2011 12:33 AM #67
      excellent, i enjoyed how easy it was to achieve awesome stance on a mk5 and maintain drivability

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      Mk6 is a mk5 with. A face lift so you should be able to achieve the same stance

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