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      11-23-2010 03:03 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by RogueTDI View Post
      Good luck. In reality, that's your wheel youre talking about. Your contact patch will still only be 2mm further inboard than mine (ET47 vs 45). The rub I'm seeing, against the upper fender liner fastener, just inside the fender, is not likely to be affected by a 2mm offset improvement. Im also getting the impression that it's in fact the increased rubber diameter that's really the problem (about 4mm more rolling radius), e.g. a small spring rate change might help.
      Thank you for your help and your real world experience with the tire's size. My understanding is that the final relationship between the fender and the tire is affected by both the wheel width and the offset calculation. It is true that ET47 is only 2mm inset more than ET45, but my 7.5" wheel is also 0.5" narrower than your 8" wheel. In a typical calculation to determine where the wheel and tire end up under the fender, half of the wheel width is added or subtracted from the difference in the offsets. Thus I should have 2mm + 0.25" more clearance on the fender side, which is ~ 8mm. On the strut side, I should have 0.25" - 2mm, which is ~ 4mm. It is true that 8mm isn't a ton of room on the outboard fender side, but it is 2mm more than 0.25" and hopefully enough to accommodate a tire that is only about 5mm wider on each side of the midpoint of the wheel and also 4 or 5 mm taller. The good news is that if I am close to rubbing that means my fender openings should look nice and full of big fat tires. I like big fat tires.
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      11-23-2010 03:10 PM #52
      here's a great tool for helping to visualize and see exact calculations of fitment relative to the stock setup. important to note that it is all relative to whatever you put in as spec #1. also, the calculator seems to think it knows better than you with certain tire/wheel width combinations (i believe to avoid "stretch" fitments). otherwise, it's a great general tool to get a rough idea

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      11-23-2010 04:04 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
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      11-23-2010 04:06 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by ksing44 View Post
      Thank you for your help and your real world experience with the tire's size. My understanding is that the final relationship between the fender and the tire is affected by both the wheel width and the offset calculation. It is true that ET47 is only 2mm inset more than ET45, but my 7.5" wheel is also 0.5" narrower than your 8" wheel. In a typical calculation to determine where the wheel and tire end up under the fender, half of the wheel width is added or subtracted from the difference in the offsets. Thus I should have 2mm + 0.25" more clearance on the fender side, which is ~ 8mm. On the strut side, I should have 0.25" - 2mm, which is ~ 4mm. It is true that 8mm isn't a ton of room on the outboard fender side, but it is 2mm more than 0.25" and hopefully enough to accommodate a tire that is only about 5mm wider on each side of the midpoint of the wheel and also 4 or 5 mm taller. The good news is that if I am close to rubbing that means my fender openings should look nice and full of big fat tires. I like big fat tires.

      I understand.

      The wheel size calcs your doing affect tire sidewall "stretch" - offset locations of bead and sidewall profile. Also to a small extent affects rolling radius - your rolling radius might in fact be slightly larger.

      However tire tread offset will not be affected as you suggest. Remember, our wheels may have different widths, but the treads are the same width (235) and are centered on the wheel regardless of wheel width. It will be 2mm further inboard, due purely to ET. My rubbing is happening against the tread, not the sidewall.

      Again, wish you luck, but I'd bet a night of drinking you'll rub. Good news actually is the rubbing is rare, and requires heavy or full suspension compression, and even then the interference is mild, so I doubt any catastrophe will result.

      My ultimate solution is going to be to go to a mild stretch by running factory 225/45.
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      11-23-2010 04:25 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by evosky View Post
      here's a great tool for helping to visualize and see exact calculations of fitment relative to the stock setup. important to note that it is all relative to whatever you put in as spec #1. also, the calculator seems to think it knows better than you with certain tire/wheel width combinations (i believe to avoid "stretch" fitments). otherwise, it's a great general tool to get a rough idea

      http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp
      Awesome find!

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      11-23-2010 04:34 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
      Blitz 01
      F: 18x8.5 +36 R: 18x9.5 +41
      Falken FK452 F: 215/40 R:225/40
      H&R Ultralows rear camber maxed out.
      i'm torn...don't know if i like the wheels and color setup, or just one or the other...but for some reason i find my thumb doing one of these

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      11-23-2010 04:42 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by RogueTDI View Post
      I understand.

      The wheel size calcs your doing affect tire sidewall "stretch" - offset locations of bead and sidewall profile. Also to a small extent affects rolling radius - your rolling radius might in fact be slightly larger.

      However tire tread offset will not be affected as you suggest. Remember, our wheels may have different widths, but the treads are the same width (235) and are centered on the wheel regardless of wheel width. It will be 2mm further inboard, due purely to ET. My rubbing is happening against the tread, not the sidewall.

      Again, wish you luck, but I'd bet a night of drinking you'll rub. Good news actually is the rubbing is rare, and requires heavy or full suspension compression, and even then the interference is mild, so I doubt any catastrophe will result.

      My ultimate solution is going to be to go to a mild stretch by running factory 225/45.
      You know what, you are right and I am wrong!!! Thank you for showing me the light. And here I was being polite and trying to diplomatically explain what I thought I knew so well to be true, all the while I didn't have a clue. Well, I'm grateful to myself that I wasn't big jerk when I was explaining the wrong information.
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      11-23-2010 04:46 PM #58
      LOL. No worries man. It's all been a bit confusing to myself too.

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      12-08-2010 10:43 AM #59
      keep em coming

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      12-08-2010 11:18 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
      Blitz 01
      F: 18x8.5 +36 R: 18x9.5 +41
      Falken FK452 F: 215/40 R:225/40
      H&R Ultralows rear camber maxed out.

      i like this combo

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      12-08-2010 12:34 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Dark Anghell View Post
      Blitz 01
      F: 18x8.5 +36 R: 18x9.5 +41
      Falken FK452 F: 215/40 R:225/40
      H&R Ultralows rear camber maxed out.
      [IMG]pic 1[/IMG]
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      I'm glad it fits. I have 18x9.5 ET45 rears coming in the mail and wont get a chance to test fit with tires till next year.

      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      i like this combo
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      12-21-2010 12:45 AM #62
      summer 2011 teaser,work eurolines rear 18x9.5et44 front 18x8.5 et33 and its going on a candy white mk6

      now im in the process of getting them polished


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      01-19-2011 12:41 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by DRedman45 View Post
      i would not put any wheel on that is under 8"...as far as i am concerned the only wheels people run that are that narrow are oem
      How wide can you go before it starts to effect handling. I am not sure about you but I love throwing my GTIs into corners.
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    14. 01-19-2011 12:56 PM #64
      just looking for confirmation on this... is mk6 suspension and offset exactly the same as mk5? or are the fenders in slightly different relation to the hubs?

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      01-19-2011 01:07 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by MaxVW View Post
      just looking for confirmation on this... is mk6 suspension and offset exactly the same as mk5? or are the fenders in slightly different relation to the hubs?
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      01-19-2011 02:21 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by mechatune View Post
      sir how do you "max out rear camber"?

      what instrument or parts do you use?

      Just let them know what camber you want when you get an alignment. Your car will naturally camber just by lowering it also.
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    17. 01-20-2011 12:33 AM #67
      excellent, i enjoyed how easy it was to achieve awesome stance on a mk5 and maintain drivability

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      01-20-2011 02:55 AM #68
      Mk6 is a mk5 with. A face lift so you should be able to achieve the same stance

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      01-20-2011 06:10 PM #69
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      02-24-2011 01:45 PM #70
      I'm really contemplating throwing my Alessios on the GTI. I put them up for sale because I didn't want to deal with adapters and polished lips, etc, but every time I walk by them I can't help thinking how sick they would look on the car. I'm about to order a set of FK Silverline CO's and I'm thinking of doing everything at the same time in time for Spring. My main concern is them poking out too much and looking ridiculous or rubbing way too much.
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      02-24-2011 01:47 PM #71


      please keep those

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      02-24-2011 01:55 PM #72
      I agree those are money! similar to what i got but the real deal, not like my fake splits

      Those will poke like crazy though...and you will need some serious camber! but will be worth it if you can pull it off!!!

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      02-24-2011 02:02 PM #73
      et35 on a 10 inch wheels would be absurd

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      02-24-2011 02:08 PM #74
      love porsche wheels, wish i could get some for my car too.

      do some -3 camber and fender rolling/pulling and you should be money
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      02-24-2011 02:17 PM #75
      Your looking at this....but with an extra 1.5" or so!
      this is et37 on an 8.5"

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