Official 2010-2011 Denver Broncos

[SurferbobGolf]

So does he get a third year?

My understanding is he probably will, because if they do let him go they'll have to pay Shanahan +McDaniels + New Coach.

[LGBoogie19]

We're horrible. Worst defense I've ever seen.

[turbowagen]

At this point, I don't think a 3rd year is possible. Between Spygate II and our ineptitude on both sides of the ball - I don't think the fans will bear it. That was a pretty clear signal from the fans yesterday. Vic Lombardi is report 10 - 15k no shows, and then the booing through out the game, I think McDaniels is done.

Now on to KC at Camarohead. Imagine how thats going to go.

Not sure anyone here saw Champ's quote - "When I got here we made the playoffs the first two years and it was supposed to be a common thing," Bailey said. "And it's been downhill ever since."

Pretty clear that we are seeing his last year in Denver. Between our ineffectiveness on the field and the front office pulling a contract offer off the table - he is as good as gone. Why would the organization treat one of our class players with such disrespect?

[SivNiz]

I agree, I think Spygate II is going to end McDaniel’s tenure as the Broncos head coach. As a fan it disappoints me because we’ll have even more turnover than what we’ve already had the last few years. No wonder our defense is terrible, we’ve had what 6 defensive coordinators in as many years.

Yesterday’s game was as empty as I’ve seen in recent memory and I’ve been to about 90% of the home games since ’96 or so. The booing isn’t as bad as the media makes it out to be. I hear a lot more Tebow chants than anything else.

[adoniram7]

Interestingly, and correct me if I'm wrong, but many owners are expecting
a lock-out next year over negotiations.

An article I read (CNNSI?) suggested that owners won't replace a head coach
at the end of the year because it is entirely possible that all of spring will
be canceled, and the first time the coach will have a chance to meet his new
team would be August.

In other words, either Bowlen does it now, promoting from within, or sticks
with McDaniels through next year.

[SivNiz]

So does he get a third year?

My understanding is he probably will, because if they do let him go they'll have to pay Shanahan +McDaniels + New Coach.

Are you sure that the Broncos are still paying Shanahan's contract? I thought that once he got hired by another team, as long as his new contract is greater than his old, the new team pays the whole contract?

[SurferbobGolf]

That's what I read as of a month ago, right after the big loss to the Raiders.

[turbowagen]

I believe Pat is on the hook for the difference between what the Skins are paying him and what his contract would have paid him.

Not looking forward to more turnover - and I think, again - we have alot of players that only fit a specific style of play - a style that may or may not change with a new head coach.

That being said, I am pretty shocked how bad this team is. There is not a lot of Shanny people left, so it has to hang on McDaniels. When you look at the bad decisions in less that 2 years (trading Hillis, Trading so much to get Alphonso to trade him for a 3rd string TE, trading up to get tebow when we have immediate needs) combined with Spygate II - its pretty hard to imagine him back next year.

[adoniram7]

According to the Denver Post, there is talk of bringing in Elway in a
front-office capacity.

There is clearly a lot broken with the current organization, not
just with McDaniels.

[turbowagen]

I would agree with that. Unfortunately, I am not sure Elway is the answer. No offense to him, and I believe given time - he is one of those guys that could be great at ANYTHING.

But - I think we need a true GM. I think that Shanny's effectiveness as a coach was drastically reduced when he took on the GM duties, and he was a pretty mediocre GM to boot.

I don't think McDaniels has been helped by the weak (Ellis, Xanders) football people around him either.

Dream would be Parcells comes in for a couple years as GM and helps Pat fix this thing.

[adoniram7]

Elway has a fair amount of executive experience - more than most people
think. In addition, the only great game we've played this season was
the blow-out against KC that came after McDaniels invited him to talk to
the players.

Considering how bad we've played overall, I think one really can put that one
great game on Elway's shoulders.

So, in sum, while he might not be nearly as experienced as a Parcells,
I think he's still got the leadership touch and could really energize the
organization, should Bowlen allow him to do so.

[turbowagen]

I do think he is a positive addition to the team, and I am glad to see him back around. But, I really don't expect our GM to give pep talks to the team, I expect him to identify talent and manage the salary cap. Not sure him getting the team to play up to their potential qualifies him to be a GM, but rather makes me question why McDaniels can't seem to get the same result.

I would love to see him involved, what Broncos fan wouldn't? I am just concerned that if it doesn't work out, we are set back another 5 years. I would rather see him come in as an advisor w/ a proven commodity at GM. I would love to see them try that and leave McDaniels as coach. I just think that with Nolan gone, there are not enough Blue Chip football people in the building. Ellis is not a football guy and Xanders sucks.

At this point, if Bowlen decided to fire McD tomorrow, who can he put in as Interim? We are so depleted from a coaching stand point, there is no one.

[turbowagen]

i am so torn - this guy is still coaching his ass off. I want him to succeed so bad.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...cos-fall-short

[tweezy!]

RIP mcdaniels.

http://www.denverbroncos.com

"Broncos Owner Pat Bowlen has relieved Josh McDaniels of his head coaching duties. Details to follow on DenverBroncos.com."

[turbowagen]

yeah done deal. wonder what was the nail in the coffin?

[SurferbobGolf]

I read online last night, that they do owe Shanahan several million dollars, and they'll owe McDaniels 2 million. Unless they can get out of paying him because of spygate 2.

[LGBoogie19]

Good riddance

[dief]

this is great.... maybe we'll get lucky and the Texans will fire Kubiak. Then we could bring him back to coach.

[SivNiz]

Broncos news conference starts around 11am. At he very least it should be interesting to see why Josh was fired and if we’ll have to pay him.

http://www.1043thefan.com/

[SurferbobGolf]

The Broncos have hired John Fox as their head coach:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...=ESPNHeadlines

[LGBoogie19]

Great hire.

[SivNiz]

Agreed, I like the hire. Rumor in Denver is that McCoy will be the OC.

[adoniram7]

Wow, they're trading Kyle Orton!

Guess it's Tebow's world now.

[SurferbobGolf]

[LGBoogie19]

McGahee, 3 year 7.5 million. No deal for Orton yet, seems as if no one wants him or wants to give us what we want for him. He will probably just get cut now. Some say to keep him for a backup but not for the kind of money he's making.

[LGBoogie19]

The Orton/Tebow saga continues. Kyle will be the starter. As long as we have him we might as well let him try to win us some games. He says he's playing the best football of his career. If he could just get a little more mobile and stop taking phantom sacks I'd be all for him.

[adoniram7]

The Orton/Tebow saga continues. Kyle will be the starter. As long as we have him we might as well let him try to win us some games. He says he's playing the best football of his career. If he could just get a little more mobile and stop taking phantom sacks I'd be all for him.

People keep forgetting that Elway looked like crap out on the field in his first season,
and his accuracy for most of his career wasn't too great. He always had strength,
but not touch. He developed touch much later in his career.

The huge different between Orton and Tebow is that the latter has the intangible called
will. Orton doesn't have the ability to will the game and will the team to victory. Elway
had that. And people know Tebow has that.

However, as good as Orton is performing, it makes it easy on the coaching staff to
keep him as the starter. Maybe with a strong running game, Orton won't have to put
the game on his shoulders too often. This whole situation is being twisted into a negative,
when having three quality QBs on the roster is a huge positive.

[LGBoogie19]

As long as Knowshon Moreno stays healthy I'm expecting a huge year in John Fox's run-first offense.

[adoniram7]

Well, someone had to bring this thread back up to the top!

I thought Denver would tank big-time in Oakland, but the second half
was amazing.

I was yelling at the TV, wondering why on earth they wouldn't let Tebow
throw the damned ball, especially on play-action, since Oakland had
the entire team, coaching staff, and water boys up close to the line of
scrimmage.

Play-action off the read-option is definitely in the future, however!

[LGBoogie19]

Great game yesterday. Say what ya want about Tebow but he gives us best chance to win. I hope we go on a run soon.

[adoniram7]

How weird is this? Won another game.

Now we play the Jets in Denver this Thursday night. According to the latest stats,
the Jets are 15th against the run, so if I were them, I'd be planning on playing
the run pretty much every play, 'cause there's no way Tebow will be throwing
much against that secondary!

[SurferbobGolf]

I wasn't able to watch the game yesterday, but 2/8 in Passing? Woah!

[adoniram7]

I got to watch the Oakland game, but not the KC game. Obviously the 8 attempts
is on purpose. I don't know why he's missing receivers, but clearly his best pass
is long and over the middle for a TD.

It'll be interesting to see the Jets game. I'm looking forward to it!

One effect of all of the running is time of possession: our defense remains well
rested, and as a result, they seem to be playing pretty well.

[eatonrabbit.]

I'm not really a Denver fan, nor am I a Tebow super fan, but I'm really sick of hearing sport casters attempt to tare down Tebow's play. If I hear "He only completed 2 passes" followed by laughter, again, I'm going to punch something. That's all they nay-sayer's can say about him. Never mind the 20 touchdowns he has this year or the fact that he's 3-1 as a starter and took his last place team to 2nd place and a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Or his spectacular college career and high school careers. 2 NCAA Football Championships, the Heisman, the Maxwell Award, the O'Brien Award, and the Sullivan Award. I just think the NFL has drank the Tebow Hateraid and now it's spreading. I hope Denver takes the AFC West so they can all STFU.

Sorry to invade your thread. Just an NFL fan who's sick of the Tebow bashing.

[g60rabbit]

I'm not really a Denver fan, nor am I a Tebow super fan, but I'm really sick of hearing sport casters attempt to tare down Tebow's play. If I hear "He only completed 2 passes" followed by laughter, again, I'm going to punch something. That's all they nay-sayer's can say about him. Never mind the 20 touchdowns he has this year or the fact that he's 3-1 as a starter and took his last place team to 2nd place and a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Or his spectacular college career and high school careers. 2 NCAA Football Championships, the Heisman, the Maxwell Award, the O'Brien Award, and the Sullivan Award. I just think the NFL has drank the Tebow Hateraid and now it's spreading. I hope Denver takes the AFC West so they can all STFU.

Sorry to invade your thread. Just an NFL fan who's sick of the Tebow bashing.

I am not a Tebow hater by any means. My brother is a HUGE Florida fan so I would live to see him play well.

But completing 2 passes is laughable.

And he has 9 TD this year not 20.

Success in College is sometimes meaningless. Its a different game. Charlie Ward won the Heisman right? Turned out to be a decent NBA player, but he certainly wouldnt have been drafted high in the NFL.