Any feedback/comments/reviews outhere from you guys regarding the JOM Coilovers from BFI ? planning on installing a set of these on my GTI Mk2 ....
Hey man, I have these coilovers and i LOVE them. 30% uprated dampening so they ride nice but give you amazing handling. I have about 10k on mine right now.
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Cheap Coilovers are only good for lowering the car... but for real handling and quality not.
just imagine they cost 500usd?
substract the dealers gain...
then substract the distributors gain...
then substract all shipping costs...
you are buying a 150-200usd manufacturing cost product...
suspension is a major system of your car. without a properly functioning suspension you are going nowhere. don't be cheap with such an important thing. you probably wouldn't buy crazy cheap brakes would you?
things cost what they do for a reason. you get what you pay for. don't mistake marketing for facts. you can't get a decent suspension for less than $600-700 so just get that notion out your mind
I have em on my Passat and I love them, I had on an H&R cup kit and decided to replace it with JOM coils to raise it up for the upcoming season, so far it rides just as good as the cup kit but ride height wise thats another story. I have about 45 threads left to lower and Im already tucking. So if you really wanna go low and dont plan on driving the car extremely hard I would say go for it.
Just think the Kelly blue book of the car is $1500-$2000 and your going to spend more then half of that around $1200 for top brand name. Just buy the JOMs the people that are arguing are just mad that $500 coilovers are the same thing as the $1200-$1600 ones. I have had JOMs on my drag car for about 3 1/2 years now and did over 500 passes on them and I still drive the car as a Daily and I beat the **** out of my car its making over 350whp at low boost which is 10 psi. Different strokes for different folks.
As far as coilovers go i was always told do it right and pay the extra $$ so the only explination i can come up with ..why guys seem to like the cheaper ones are either they had no other coilovers to compare em to or..perhaps they dont last? or like stated above..i don't know. I do know the higher end coilovers are made with better metals casing valving etc...and some have dampening adjusment which is really nice to have IMO
Last edited by ajhvw93; 09-24-2010 at 03:12 PM.
Always told by who? Tunershops, people that have way too much money to blow? I've had Koni coils on my Scirocco and I had H&R Ultra lows on my MKIII and I have experienced them to be a bit of an overkill since I never tracked my cars and I just wanted to get lower and be able to raise it up if need be. As far as doing it right, who is it to say that spending $300-$500 is wrong and spending upwards of $1200 is right? I say its your money and if you wanted to try a new product within your budget range, I say go for it, if you are not satisfied then make an opinion, rather than hearsay or people commenting on how ****ty the product is because its cheap. The same people comment on JOM, VMAXX or Raceland being bad cause its cheap have replica wheels Hmm.
So you were told to pay $1200 for coilovers for a $1500 car? My buddy had Bilsteins coilovers on his mk4 he loved them lasted him 2 years then replaced them with JOMs because 2 of them blew out. Like I said before different strokes for different folks. But if you ask me I would just go with what every budget you have.
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Racelands or OK as well they run about $350 for $50 more I go for JOM... MKIV wife's car adjust it to ride nice "Brett"
mjmautohause has a "Yellow" struts- 2 "Yellow" shocks- 2 Neuspeed F 22 or 25 anti sway bar & 19 or 22 Rear anti-sway bar for 824.95 Free Shipping
go with a good spring Eibach/H&R/Neuspeed/ runs around $188 on sale So around $1000.00
and that is not will New Bushings like Superpro or powerflex and New strut mounts for the front two struts or camber/caster/toe in F & R that well run $600.00
even with all the sale prices a set up runs around $1750.00 and NOTE you do almost all the work
great set of Bilstein PSS9 Kit coil over kit 1999 - 2005 9 way adjustable coil over kit.#GM5-8065-H1. 1432.34 Jetta MKIV
and you have not even touched the bushing or anti-sway bars alomsot all cars have a candy ass rear sway bar lucky to be 14 mm
Last edited by ajhvw93; 09-28-2010 at 12:50 PM.
That said, it’s like you are not getting the point. What we are trying to tell you is you don’t need *coilovers* at all - let alone questionable budget junk like JOMs. You can spend the same amount [or slightly more] you would on cheapo coilovers and get quality springs and shocks that will last the life of the car and perform excellent.
I know for a fact Bilstein has a lifetime warranty, I am not 100% sure about Koni. Warranty coverage says a lot about the quality of a product. Not to mention the fact that OEMs such as Porsche and Mercedes use Bilsteins on their cars. Just something to think about...
Sure, ride height is not adjustable with conventional springs/shock setups, but really – who adjusts their coilovers frequently? Not many people I know. Only showtards really... Do your research on what ride height you want beforehand and buy the right springs and you’ll be fine.
I swear it’s like you've been brainwashed into thinking coilovers are the ONLY way to go. That’s BS. Think about it, how many performance cars come from the factory with coilover suspensions? Not many I can think of. Does that mean cars with “normal” springs/shocks such as M BMWs, AMG Benzes, S Audis, Porsches etc can’t handle? Far from it!!
500 passes on a dragstrip mean absolutely NOTHING about handling performance. It’s a straight friggin line man! LOL. (There are way too many factors in launching to focus on only your coilovers so that’s not a valid argument and is totally irrelevant to this thread.)
Your "beating the piss out of it" and your 350whp also are in no way a reflection of a well engineered suspension. As a matter of fact those statements are basically meaningless.
Do you take turns in addition to standing on the throttle and going straight?
How was the vehicles transient response affected?
How was ride compliance affected?
What about body lean?
Any change in feel or grip at the limits of adhesion?
Do you ever autocross or take it on a road-coarse? If so, what were your times?
Give us some numbers, some hard evidence, some proof, some indisputable facts - not personal opinion.
There are ways to quantify and qualify suspension performance. It’s not just some subjective thing we all talk out our asses about. You are going to need to be more descriptive and detailed.
And regarding your statement, “the people that are arguing are just mad that $500 coilovers are the same thing as the $1200-$1600 ones”. Ok sure. You know what? You must be right, its all a big conspiracy. It’s the same reason your VW costs more than a Hyundai. They are the same quality. How stupid of me.
If we were to cut open a set of JOMs and a set from a more reputable company you would see the difference with your own eyes.
To each his own, the people that bash the heck out of the cheaper products should just not bother to post or read any of the threads with that in the title. I don't understand jumping into an argument over something that you have never owned nor used (not directed solely at you).
Threads with these suspensions in the title should be filled with people interested in buying the product OR people who HAVE bought the product, and are giving their honest opinions of how it worked for them. Personally I believe the entry/street level coilovers should be compared to spring/shock kits (aka cupkits) not full blown mid to high level track ready coilover kits.
The entry/street level kits are merely 'cupkits' with ride height adjustability and infinite spring options. When you put them into their proper category they make a lot of sense. You just have to get past the 'it looks like a race coilover so it's competing with a race coilover' mentality. That's nearly the same as saying a Hyundai Genesis (or even any kit car) looks like an exotic style car so it must be competing with an exotic style car lol. Just because something looks fairly similar on the outside, doesn't mean it's made to compete in the same category lol.
Last edited by Kiyokix; 10-02-2010 at 02:09 AM.
I know exactly how you feel. When it comes to hearing about how 'great' some of these cars handle with their $1200 coilovers and 25mm ground clearance, it almost makes me sick to my stomach. If they talk about the handling being so 'great' at those terrible heights, what would they do if they actually raised the car up to a proper ride height so it really could handle great!
I made my peace long ago with the fact that my car will never be able to have that sexy 10-15mm wheel gap stance if I want it to handle properly. It's a shame, but hey the engineers chose what they chose so we have to make it work within those parameters.
I'm still not in any way against people buying the entry/street level coilovers (vmaxx, joms, raceland, rokkors, etc.) as long as they realize they are NOT buying a competitor to the Koni/Bilstein/KW/etc. setups. When you realize that you're buying a height and spring adjustable (the spring freedom is the best part of these) cupkit, you're in the proper mindset to buy one of these.
Personally I'd buy one of these over a normal cupkit anyday.
Corner weighting (if you wish)
Adjustable Height (for those that want to be slammed)
Infinite spring choices (massive bonus)
Stock sport suspension ride height (roughly 15-20mm lower than the normal comfort spec almost all come with)
Competitive Price (compared to the other cupkits)
Takes up less wheel well room (if you need it for tires)
Non adjustable dampers (few cupkits get that anyway)
Possible ride comfort loss (depending on spring rates)
Anyway that's my view on these things, and like I said before. Once you put them into the proper category they make a lot of sense especially for the cars that live 90% on the street, yet see a bit of open track days or autocross time. The next significant step above these I'd say is a set of dampers (maybe adjustable), and some coilover sleeves for cars that see more track time. If you're planning on spending serious time on the track however the other coilovers cost more...but they are 100% worth the extra money in their proper environment.